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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

The Plasma will have little better motion and no banding. But it will have a dim picture, bleeding, burn in and I,age retention, buzzing, lots of heat generated, and use more energy.
The 84 x900 is in a different class price wise entirely. It's probably nice though.
The elite is great, but in looking at one myself, I had several issues with the design, numerous reports of early failures, and my contacting elite support to test the waters. The elite is the only other I'd consider, but it's a gamble when buying a sharp right now.

Don't forget the plasma flicker smile.gif

I'm actually returning my Panasonic TC-P65VT50 today in exchange for the Sony XBR-65HX950. All other options considered it's the only real choice out there.

You hit the head of the nail regarding the problems with the VT50 (and plasmas in general).

It goes without saying that I absolutely cannot freaking wait for the delivery truck!
post #2162 of 4483
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

Don't forget the plasma flicker smile.gif
I'm actually returning my Panasonic TC-P65VT50 today in exchange for the Sony XBR-65HX950. All other options considered it's the only real choice out there.
You hit the head of the nail regarding the problems with the VT50 (and plasmas in general).
It goes without saying that I absolutely cannot freaking wait for the delivery truck!

Patience is virtue ....
post #2163 of 4483
@THX- I'd argue that the LCD would have better motion than plasmas. I was put off by the ghosting on the Panasonic Plasmas when I saw them.

I'd also toss the Mitsubishi LaserVue L75-A96 onto that list.
post #2164 of 4483
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

Don't forget the plasma flicker smile.gif
I'm actually returning my Panasonic TC-P65VT50 today in exchange for the Sony XBR-65HX950. All other options considered it's the only real choice out there.
You hit the head of the nail regarding the problems with the VT50 (and plasmas in general).
It goes without saying that I absolutely cannot freaking wait for the delivery truck!

I owned a VT30 and a GT30 that I finally had it and forced Best Buy to give me full money back on and replace them with these two 950s that I have. I'll never buy another plasma so long as I live. The technology has been dropped by many manufacturers for a reason. LCD has the fewest drawbacks IMHO.
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The panel has arrived but it's been in a freezing truck all day. I put an IR thermometer to it and it's at 53 degrees. Would you let it warm up to room temperature before turning it on? I see the operating range is 32F-104F. What would you do?

I looked at the build date and it's September 2012, so now I'm nervous as hell this is part of the bad batch of banding issues/dead pixels everyone has been complaining about.
post #2166 of 4483
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

The panel has arrived but it's been in a freezing truck all day. I put an IR thermometer to it and it's at 53 degrees. Would you let it warm up to room temperature before turning it on? I see the operating range is 32F-104F. What would you do?
I looked at the build date and it's September 2012, so now I'm nervous as hell this is part of the bad batch of banding issues/dead pixels everyone has been complaining about.

No sure way to tell if you got a good one or a bad one, as some got first batch and were good. Others like myself, not so much. Give it about 10 and hook it up and plug the cables in. By the time you get it hooked up and fingerprints off it should have warmed up enough.
post #2167 of 4483
All of my electronics that get delivered in the Michigan winters where I live I most definitely let warm up. Remember patience is virtue smile.gif coming in from the cold you will have condensation inside. Give it time to dry off.
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I am in Standard Mode. How do I get full pixel to show up in settings?

Also how do i set display settings to all hdmi inputs?
post #2169 of 4483
WOW! I cannot even begin to describe how superior this panel is to the Panasonic VT50. Absolutely solid white with no flicker! YES!

I'm updating the TV's firmware now.

A special shout-out goes to Flavius for his TV settings, which are excellent.

I'm only seeing minor, and I mean minor, banding issues. There is an ever-so-slight light grey band in the center of the screen but it is extremely difficult to make out. I would probably have a hard time returning the panel based off of this. No dead pixels!!

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Looks great...I'm sure you'll enjoy the Sony
post #2171 of 4483
Glad you are liking it sofar THX!

One great thing about it too was the fact the stand was already attached!! This was a welcome sigh of relief! I think this is only the case with the 65", not the 55" 950. Was your stand attached too?

It saves a lot of hassles!!
post #2172 of 4483
I went through 2 Elites both with terrible Dirty Screen Effect. Sharp told me that only 1% of Elites have that issue, I had two in a row, boh from Nov 2012 batch. Just ugly duty green blotches bands over screen.


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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

According Robert Zohn, the VE guy, one out of thirty Elite's in his store had stuck pixels. There was also one owner who received three Elite's so far all with dead or stuck pixels.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/hdtv-video-displays-processors/48747-elitepro-60x5fd-pro-70x5fd-discussion-thread-59.html#axzz2GBpg9NBS
When you do some googling (or yahooing ) you will find Elite banding. I do remember this Suzook guy who returned several Elite's because of bad DirtyScreenEffect.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread/7830
Those Elite's are certainly not perfect either.
btw CES is 08-11 january 2013
http://www.cesweb.org/
post #2173 of 4483
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Glad you are liking it sofar THX!
One great thing about it too was the fact the stand was already attached!! This was a welcome sigh of relief! I think this is only the case with the 65", not the 55" 950. Was your stand attached too?
It saves a lot of hassles!!

XxDeadlyxX: You are correct. The stand was already attached. And you are also correct in that the stand comes pre-attached with the 65" only. The 55" version requires the stand to be assembled. It was funny, the deliverymen opened the box expecting to assemble the TV having drill in hand and said, "Oh, the stand is already on there." I think they were relieved that extra work was not required late on a Friday afternoon.

I'm still blown away by this picture. Just blown away...
post #2174 of 4483
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

The elite is great, but in looking at one myself, I had several issues with the design, numerous reports of early failures, and my contacting elite support to test the waters. The elite is the only other I'd consider, but it's a gamble when buying a sharp right now.




That is an understatement. The 950 may be the only option soon for a backlit LED.



http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57543651-92/is-sharp-on-its-last-legs/
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I recently bought the Panny VT50 from Amazon. I am coming from a Sony 46 inch XBR4 which has a matte screen. in my opinion and based on what i have observed in 2 days my Sony XBR4 (2007 model) blows away the Panny VT50 in terms of picture quality. 5 years have gone by and it looks like the TV technology has gone backwards. The VT50 picture quality looked like the floor models i see when I walk into my Sams club store. Granted that I did not get it calibrated but so what the case with my XBR4 in 2007 when I got it. Big disappointment with the Panny VT50. Also the glossy screen was a big turn off -during the day i hated seeing reflections in my TV.
I am now looking at the 850 or the 950 but the glossy screen is turning me off after what I experienced with the VT50. Can anyone tell me how reflective is the glossy screen in daylight for the 850 or 950?
Also does anyone know of any good 2012 model with 3D that has a matte screen? It 's sad that all manufacturers are making glossy screens to boost contrast performance.
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Originally Posted by ldbogie View Post

Thank you for the suggestion. I just tried it out......it helped.....but it had more graininess and boxiness when compared to my sports calibration adjustment:
1. Sharp = 0 (from 53)
2. Resolution = 0 (from 20)
3. Noise filter = max (from 18)
Can anyone here confirm that they can watch Basketball (I had the same problem on all 3 games on Christmas day) and Football without graininess or boxy pixels during action scenes. If so what are your calibrations (I currently use Flavious's recommendations with a few tweaks). Thank you very much for any assistance.
L-

I have the same issues with my HX929. All sporting events seem to have this issue with the HX929/950. I have posted about this in the 929 thread and theres really nothing you can do. I swapped out my cable box, switched from Directv to cablevision and then back again. I had Sony swap out my TV thinking it might have been defective but nothing helped. Its frustrating because my older Samsung has no problems in this department. It has to have something to do with the processing in the Sony.
post #2177 of 4483
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Originally Posted by malcolmp6 View Post

I recently bought the Panny VT50 from Amazon. I am coming from a Sony 46 inch XBR4 which has a matte screen. in my opinion and based on what i have observed in 2 days my Sony XBR4 (2007 model) blows away the Panny VT50 in terms of picture quality. 5 years have gone by and it looks like the TV technology has gone backwards. The VT50 picture quality looked like the floor models i see when I walk into my Sams club store. Granted that I did not get it calibrated but so what the case with my XBR4 in 2007 when I got it. Big disappointment with the Panny VT50. Also the glossy screen was a big turn off -during the day i hated seeing reflections in my TV.
I am now looking at the 850 or the 950 but the glossy screen is turning me off after what I experienced with the VT50. Can anyone tell me how reflective is the glossy screen in daylight for the 850 or 950?
Also does anyone know of any good 2012 model with 3D that has a matte screen? It 's sad that all manufacturers are making glossy screens to boost contrast performance.

malcolmp6: I actually returned the Panasonic VT50 for the Sony HX950. The 950 has nowhere near the glare that the VT50 has. Also, the 950 is so much more bright that it easily removes any glare that would exist when viewing content. Don't let a glare issue stop you from purchasing the 950. I would exchange your VT50 right away.
post #2178 of 4483
Hello All!

First of all, special thanks to IMRIZZO and Flavius for very informative (and "dry"!) posts.

Bought my 950 ~ a month ago through Amazon: have no complains for either of them, - TV-Set is just perfect and Amazon did a smooth and swift transaction/delivery.

I don't want to repeat what was said already. Just want to add a couple of little things which I couldn't find anybody mentioned here (or maybe I just missed it - my bad! - if this is the case).

Before I bought 950 I had briefly owned a 929 set (from BB-Magnolia) for ~ a month. What annoyed me in 929 and got improved in 950:

  1. The "old" video-component block: in 929 it was a separate block which you connected to a special socket in the set. Got flimsy in a week or so - VERY annoying. In 950 it's built-in to a set - perfect!
  2. Netflix app: in 929 it was a very limited set of actions there (only basics - play/pause/etc.). In 950 they added "Subtitles" and "Rate it". Also if you watch some series and in the end of an episode you click "Return" on your remote it offers you to play the next episode in 20 seconds without the introductory part (or you can click the defaulted "Play Next Episode" button right away) - very convenient!

Thanks everybody in this thread - your comments/questions/answers were very helpful!
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Sorry if I keep missing this but where is the "ECO" settings to turn off the light sensor?


bob
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Originally Posted by ldbogie View Post

Thank you for the suggestion. I just tried it out......it helped.....but it had more graininess and boxiness when compared to my sports calibration adjustment:
1. Sharp = 0 (from 53)
2. Resolution = 0 (from 20)
3. Noise filter = max (from 18)
Can anyone here confirm that they can watch Basketball (I had the same problem on all 3 games on Christmas day) and Football without graininess or boxy pixels during action scenes. If so what are your calibrations (I currently use Flavious's recommendations with a few tweaks). Thank you very much for any assistance.
L-

I have the same issues with my HX929. All sporting events seem to have this issue with the HX929/950. I have posted about this in the 929 thread and theres really nothing you can do. I swapped out my cable box, switched from Directv to cablevision and then back again. I had Sony swap out my TV thinking it might have been defective but nothing helped. Its frustrating because my older Samsung has no problems in this department. It has to have something to do with the processing in the Sony.

This sounds just like compression employed by the broadcasters and/or cable cos. You might get better results OTA. Unless you can make a recording, write down the times for the pixelation/tiling/whatever on the Sony, and play back that recording on another display and not observe the same artifacts at those times, then it's premature to blame the Sony. The issue varies from broadcast to broadcast, so using a recording is important. Also, with a new TV, you will be on the lookout for problems and may notice things that were always there on your old TV. The fact that only sports is being singled out further suggests the problem is with the broadcast of sports, not the TV.
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

This sounds just like compression employed by the broadcasters and/or cable cos. You might get better results OTA. Unless you can make a recording, write down the times for the pixelation/tiling/whatever on the Sony, and play back that recording on another display and not observe the same artifacts at those times, then it's premature to blame the Sony. The issue varies from broadcast to broadcast, so using a recording is important. Also, with a new TV, you will be on the lookout for problems and may notice things that were always there on your old TV. The fact that only sports is being singled out further suggests the problem is with the broadcast of sports, not the TV.

I have a multiroom DVR and have compared the exact same program on my Sony and my.older Samsung. The Sony struggles with live sports creating strange artifacts that do not appear at all on the Samsung. This is regardless of what settings I use . Like I said I have tried different cables, New cable boxes and even had Sony swap out my set. It's unfortunate because the Sony looks great with Movies and Blu Ray sources. I was expecting more from live sports.
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Sorry if I keep missing this but where is the "ECO" settings to turn off the light sensor?
bob

It is under Settings, Preferences, Eco.
post #2183 of 4483
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

This sounds just like compression employed by the broadcasters and/or cable cos. You might get better results OTA. Unless you can make a recording, write down the times for the pixelation/tiling/whatever on the Sony, and play back that recording on another display and not observe the same artifacts at those times, then it's premature to blame the Sony. The issue varies from broadcast to broadcast, so using a recording is important. Also, with a new TV, you will be on the lookout for problems and may notice things that were always there on your old TV. The fact that only sports is being singled out further suggests the problem is with the broadcast of sports, not the TV.

I have a multiroom DVR and have compared the exact same program on my Sony and my.older Samsung. The Sony struggles with live sports creating strange artifacts that do not appear at all on the Samsung. This is regardless of what settings I use . Like I said I have tried different cables, New cable boxes and even had Sony swap out my set. It's unfortunate because the Sony looks great with Movies and Blu Ray sources. I was expecting more from live sports.

Did you verify it with a recording as I described?

I'm asking about this because it's important for everything to be reproducible. Watching Live TV isn't. As I understand it, Whole Home DVRs have a central box and then various local boxes. The local boxes tend to have their own tuners for live TV, which introduces additional variables. If they don't have their own tuners but instead rely on the tuners in the main box, then networking is another variable, which is also true if you are using a recording with a Whole Home DVR. If all the tuners are in the main box, you'd want to verify the local boxes are using the same tuner if you're watching live. The goal is to eliminate all variables except the displays. I'd also substitute the Samsung directly for the Sony, or at least use a smaller TV or even a computer monitor if it's not practical to move the Samsung.

I guess there could be something peculiar about the sports broadcasts in your area, something that is tripping the Sony up, but as with all such hypotheses, it seems hard to believe, especially when it sounds like a more common problem.

Please don't take any of this personally. I go through the same dialogue with myself when troubleshooting. Maybe you've already done all this. If not, maybe it will help you get to the bottom of it. This sort of thing has helped others, so FWIW, YMMV, etc etc etc.
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Did you verify it with a recording as I described?
I'm asking about this because it's important for everything to be reproducible. Watching Live TV isn't. As I understand it, Whole Home DVRs have a central box and then various local boxes. The local boxes tend to have their own tuners for live TV, which introduces additional variables. If they don't have their own tuners but instead rely on the tuners in the main box, then networking is another variable, which is also true if you are using a recording with a Whole Home DVR. If all the tuners are in the main box, you'd want to verify the local boxes are using the same tuner if you're watching live. The goal is to eliminate all variables except the displays. I'd also substitute the Samsung directly for the Sony, or at least use a smaller TV or even a computer monitor if it's not practical to move the Samsung.
I guess there could be something peculiar about the sports broadcasts in your area, something that is tripping the Sony up, but as with all such hypotheses, it seems hard to believe, especially when it sounds like a more common problem.
Please don't take any of this personally. I go through the same dialogue with myself when troubleshooting. Maybe you've already done all this. If not, maybe it will help you get to the bottom of it. This sort of thing has helped others, so FWIW, YMMV, etc etc etc.

In no way am I taking it personally, I appreciate the feedback. I have tried everything that you have suggested. Even a few of my friends were disappointed with the TV compared to their lower quality sets. I had some people over for the Pacquiao Fight and they all noticed it. I do believe its compression artifacts and I do think there is something going on in my area(Long Island) but whatever it is the Sony just doesnt like what its being fed.
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In no way am I taking it personally, I appreciate the feedback. I have tried everything that you have suggested. Even a few of my friends were disappointed with the TV compared to their lower quality sets. I had some people over for the Pacquiao Fight and they all noticed it. I do believe its compression artifacts and I do think there is something going on in my area(Long Island) but whatever it is the Sony just doesnt like what its being fed.

I'm connected to Cablevision on LI and never experience that problem ( I shouldn't say never sometimes there is satellite interference that creates those anomalies) I also watch that fight and had no reception problems ? ( I have the Scientific Atlantic box and not the newer Samsung box.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I'm connected to Cablevision on LI and never experience that problem ( I shouldn't say never sometimes there is satellite interference that creates those anomalies) I also watch that fight and had no reception problems ? ( I have the Scientific Atlantic box and not the newer Samsung box.

Hey Rizz.

I currently have DirecTV but i did have both the scientific Atlanta and the newer black Samsung boxes with cablevision. Nothing helped. I am watching the football game right now on ESPN and no matter what I do the players have sort of a halo /blob trailing them around the back.
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

Hey Rizz.
I currently have DirecTV but i did have both the scientific Atlanta and the newer black Samsung boxes with cablevision. Nothing helped. I am watching the football game right now on ESPN and no matter what I do the players have sort of a halo /blob trailing them around the back.

Just turned on ESPN tex/ore game none of the problems you indicated. I don't know what settings your using I can PM you mine if your interested in trying ?
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Its virtually impossible to calibrate or determine what works best for motion using cable. On my 850 I get about 4 or 5 different skin tones depending on what channel I am watching. I also get different motion artifacts dependent on channels also. It seems like you get a different result for almost every channel, blame the cable provider. Set up your display using a bluray and leave it, if it looks weird on the odd channel or two there's really nothing you can do about it unless you want to change settings for every channel.
post #2189 of 4483
Flavius - Can u PM me your settings please ? Unless if someone else knows that they were posted on a specific page on the forum.

Thanks
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