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post #2251 of 4483
UHD and 4K are all just progressive advancements by manufacturers to sell sets, because their markets have been dried up by the flooding of the market with 3D and other feature sets without any advance in PQ. So, hence the need for a new display panel to hit the market, but due to the very expensive cost of these panels, I don't see the surge to buy coming anytime soon. The current market/economy will leave only a select few buying into it. The market will be basically a bunch of people with excess incomes needing a new Brag tag, to boast about and they probably wouldn't be able to see the difference between 4K and 720.
Edited by IMRIZZO - 1/8/13 at 6:20am
post #2252 of 4483
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Originally Posted by SS4 View Post

Yep, we can't count of TV for 4K broadcast. And 4K streaming is a joke. That is nothing more than upscaling. Only thing we can count on is TRUE 4K Blu-Ray movie and player. Who knows how long we have to wait until we can actually buy it. For many years, Pioneer, Panasonic, GE, and few others have been developing 500GB to 1TB crazy number of layer Blu-Ray disc but I don't think it has been standardized yet.
Sony stated that PS4, which should be launched sometime this years, is going to support 4K. However, not natively I assume. Games will likely run 1080p natively and upscale that to 4K.
Sadly, at this point, 4K = Up-scaling.

The PS4 will do just the bare minimum. I have a PS3 and it only gets used for blu rays now. I sold off all the games because Sony has and never will take customer information security seriously. I think if you play games, the Xbox is the better option. And I'm guessing Microsoft will include blu ray on the next system, games can't be fit on to dvds anymore. Too large.
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

Is there even the slightest reason to have a 4k TV in 'normal' sized (55-65+) inches? It seems to me to be all marketing hoopla to sell more sets. 4K would probably be great if you wanted a 85 inch tv, isnt'that what it's really for?

Honestly, no. I got to see the 84" Sony 4K TV running the 4K demo. I didn't even realize it wasn't 1080P until I got close. After getting about 3 feet away the smaller details displayed made it obvious it was a higher resolution. But at normal viewing distances of 6-12 feet for that size TV, you really aren't going to notice. If you had that TV in your house and brought company over to have them view it without telling them is was super HD, I doubt anyone would know there was anything special about it except being big.
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

How come you want to see a high res. picture of "my wiener" geeesh
Not your wiener, the one from tme110............LOL biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

How come you want to see a high res. picture of "my wiener" geeesh

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I just realized my new workstation can take full advantage of 4K TV. Several months ago, I bought Z820 with Dual Xeon E5-2687W, 64GB ECC Ram, 2x GTX 690 (Quald SLI) and bunch of RAID Intel SSDs. It cost me around $14000 cool.gif I can connect it to Sony's 4K TV and play games in full 4K resolution with probably max setting. Still I'm not going to buy it yet.
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

The PS4 will do just the bare minimum. I have a PS3 and it only gets used for blu rays now. I sold off all the games because Sony has and never will take customer information security seriously. I think if you play games, the Xbox is the better option. And I'm guessing Microsoft will include blu ray on the next system, games can't be fit on to dvds anymore. Too large.

I am big PlayStation fan so I can't agree with that statement tongue.gif I don't want to start console holly war here but I do believe Sony has been taking customer info seriously. When they got hacked, they quickly admitted it, shut down the servers, and apologized and offered us free stuffs. Hackers didn't get enough credit card info to cause anyone financial loss since Sony didn't store full credit card info in one location. I have all consoles but I hardly touch Xbox. It is just not my taste and I don't like paying money to play online.
post #2257 of 4483
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Originally Posted by SS4 View Post

I just realized my new workstation can take full advantage of 4K TV. Several months ago, I bought Z820 with Dual Xeon E5-2687W, 64GB ECC Ram, 2x GTX 690 (Quald SLI) and bunch of RAID Intel SSDs. It cost me around $14000 cool.gif I can connect it to Sony's 4K TV and play games in full 4K resolution with probably max setting. Still I'm not going to buy it yet.
I am big PlayStation fan so I can't agree with that statement tongue.gif I don't want to start console holly war here but I do believe Sony has been taking customer info seriously. When they got hacked, they quickly admitted it, shut down the servers, and apologized and offered us free stuffs. Hackers didn't get enough credit card info to cause anyone financial loss since Sony didn't store full credit card info in one location. I have all consoles but I hardly touch Xbox. It is just not my taste and I don't like paying money to play online.

That's cool. I switched to PS3 because of Xbox failures. But the Xbox live community once you get used to it beats Sony into the ground. Most PS3 games are 720p, and the PS3 is a booger to program for. Hence why many times the same game runs better on the 360. Now that the 360 slim is out, it runs quieter than my ps3 slim and is reliable. I don't like paying for live, but Sony got hacked 3 times in a row when they kept going back down. They were ignorant and unwilling to spend the money. But they aren't the only guilty party of this. I also think the PS3 controller is too small and the joysticks a bit flimsy. But that's why we have choices.
post #2258 of 4483
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

I didn't see any mention of a full-array LED-LCD in Sony's CES press releases. HDGuru claims the W900 replaces the XBR950. CNET expects it to cost less given that it's an edge-lit display.

That's not true. Cnet said the W900 will replace the HX850 and the 950 will continue to be available.
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Can any hx950 user confirm if the 2D 3D conversion is any good, special for standard tv use (not Blu Ray conversion)...........
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At the moment i am still waiting for the 65HX950 to arrive in the stores in Holland.
At the moment i use a Sharp 60 inch LCD (latest model line) but see a lot of ghosting/blur in (SD cable) content like soccer games when the ball is shot at high speed.
Instade of one ball i see 3 infront and 3 at the back of the ball mad.gif
And this with alle the motion filters set to ON.
Also this is introducing artifacts but that is the game with motion filters, but even then i can not get a clear moving ball.
Blu Ray content is ok, not 100% but far, far better then SD.

Is Motionflow XR800 doing a better job at fast moving object or will this be a waist of $$$$ to spend and i still end up with ghosting/blur ?

Also i see some judder in content shown by tv stations that they get from mobile Phone / mobile cameras or the Internet.
The program itself is judder free.
Will the Sony do a better job on this ?
Edited by CBdicX - 1/9/13 at 1:28am
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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

At the moment i am still waiting for the 65HX950 to arrive in the stores in Holland.
At the moment i use a Sharp 60 inch LCD (latest model line) but see a lot of ghosting/blur in (SD cable) content like soccer games when the ball is shot at high speed.
Instade of one ball i see 3 infront and 3 at the back of the ball mad.gif
And this with alle the motion filters set to ON.
Also this is introducing artifacts but that is the game with motion filters, but even then i can not get a clear moving ball.
Blu Ray content is ok, not 100% but far, far better then SD.
Is Motionflow XR800 doing a better job at fast moving object or will this be a waist of $$$$ to spend and i still end up with ghosting/blur ?
Also i see some judder in content shown by tv stations that they get from mobile Phone / mobile cameras or the Internet.
The program itself is judder free.
Will the Sony do a better job on this ?

I had the triple ball effect on my Samsung. They have some of the worst motion handling. The Sony doesn't seem to do it, at least not that I have seen and it's usually pretty apparent.
post #2262 of 4483
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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

Can any hx950 user confirm if the 2D 3D conversion is any good, special for standard tv use (not Blu Ray conversion)...........

I tried it once and didn't see any point in using it again. The 3D conversion on my oppo is much better but still not worth watching. I never spent any time with it though. Basically everything is at the same 3d level. A notable difference is watching the news with that banner on the bottom, that sticks out pretty well but....
post #2263 of 4483
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

I tried it once and didn't see any point in using it again. The 3D conversion on my oppo is much better but still not worth watching. I never spent any time with it though. Basically everything is at the same 3d level. A notable difference is watching the news with that banner on the bottom, that sticks out pretty well but....
Thx, is your opinion the same as BarrettF77 concerning Ghosting/blur/judder on the HX950 ?
I am very sencitive in seeing judder were my wife says, " i do not care" eek.gif
post #2264 of 4483
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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

Thx, is your opinion the same as BarrettF77 concerning Ghosting/blur/judder on the HX950 ?
I am very sencitive in seeing judder were my wife says, " i do not care" eek.gif

Personally, I have no issues with my 950 and am not seeing any defects - very much enjoying it. Just don't care much for the simulated 3D.
post #2265 of 4483
I'd rather have a full array led set with local dimming and 1080p then be stuck with edge lit and 4k resolution. Having a better contrast+colors is a bigger impact on overall pq then 1080p vs 4k especially at these screen sizes 55-65".
post #2266 of 4483
Good Discussions on the 4K. What a marketing scam "TRI-LUMINOUS Display" and thought it was tri-backlit as the XBR8.
post #2267 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Hdfanboy444 View Post

I'd rather have a full array led set with local dimming and 1080p then be stuck with edge lit and 4k resolution. Having a better contrast+colors is a bigger impact on overall pq then 1080p vs 4k especially at these screen sizes 55-65".

Well guys, it seems there will not be anymore full array tv's in Sony's 2013 line.
The top of the line tv's will be edge lit, local dimming.

http://hdguru.com/sonys-2013-hdtv-line-revealed/9750/
post #2268 of 4483
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

Honestly, no. I got to see the 84" Sony 4K TV running the 4K demo. I didn't even realize it wasn't 1080P until I got close. After getting about 3 feet away the smaller details displayed made it obvious it was a higher resolution. But at normal viewing distances of 6-12 feet for that size TV, you really aren't going to notice. If you had that TV in your house and brought company over to have them view it without telling them is was super HD, I doubt anyone would know there was anything special about it except being big.

And that was on the 84" model, which has larger pixels. Can you imagine sitting 8 to 10' away from a 55" UHD and trying to see the difference?

Given that we don't get any true/full HD channels from DirecTV, Dish, or cable, why would we need a UHD set?
post #2269 of 4483
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Well guys, it seems there will not be anymore full array tv's in Sony's 2013 line.
The top of the line tv's will be edge lit, local dimming.

http://hdguru.com/sonys-2013-hdtv-line-revealed/9750/

That flagship X900 may be the ugliest TV I've ever seen. It looks like a video boombox mounted on a cheap silver ring of some sort. The R series may have surpassed Samsung and LG for ugliest base. I swear, these bases are like alien foreheads in STNG. I just want a plain rectangular base that is solid. I think it looks better, and I have a practical reason; I stick a bunch of little plastic furniture sliders on the bottom so I can easily slide my TV around my 48" AnthroCart desk.
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After reading and asking about for me important features, i do not go through with buying the wanted KLD 65HX950.
I am not a big 3D fan i just wanted a better LCD then my current Sharp LC 60LE635 (just 999,00 euro in the stores at this moment !!)
Think going up to a price of 4999,00 for what the 65HX wil be doing in the stores soon, is not very smart.
The Sharp has some issues like clouding and judder but i do think i will, or could, be getting banding instade of clouding with the Sony, and judder could be from the cable box content, i do not have judder with Blu ray, or very little.....
Also the step from 60 to 65 inch is not making +4000 euro sounds right if the Sony is not getting me a picture differents that makes me eek.gif
I have seen the HX850 and the 929 side by side to the Sharp in the store.
So for now i say no, sorry Sony..........
post #2271 of 4483
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

That flagship X900 may be the ugliest TV I've ever seen. It looks like a video boombox mounted on a cheap silver ring of some sort.

I have to admit that the style choices made for the 2013 TV line are a huge mistake.

They went from the sleek minimalist look of 2011-2012 models to a cheap looking lower tier design.



Example: The speaker surround design on the X900 looks like a manufacturing defect as the outer edge (left & right) is abruptly
chopped off destroying the circular look of the speaker surround.

Also, making the XBR series 4K will just ensure super low sales as the prices they will be asking will be through the roof.

I think those in the market for a tv that were waiting to see what 2013 models had to offer would be better off buying 2012 models while supplies last.
Edited by net_synapse - 1/9/13 at 11:52pm
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Originally Posted by net_synapse View Post

Example: The speaker surround design on the X900 looks like a manufacturing defect as the outer edge (left & right) is abruptly chopped off destroying the circular look of the speaker surround.

I figured that was just a bad photo cropping job. Are you telling me it's real? eek.gif
post #2273 of 4483
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

I figured that was just a bad photo cropping job. Are you telling me it's real? eek.gif

I too thought at first that it was a image cropping error but it was confirmed as a true design choice on Sony's part when I watched the following:



Go to 1:04 to see a closeup look of the speakers.
Edited by net_synapse - 1/9/13 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by net_synapse View Post

I too thought at first that it was a image cropping error but it was confirmed as a true design choice on Sony's part when I watched the following:



Go to 1:04 to see a closeup look of the speakers.

I guess you're right. Man, that's a strange thing to do. Maybe a VP in marketing demanded "edgy", and the designer didn't like him and trolled him or something.
post #2275 of 4483
This whole 2160p thing seems so silly to me m the entire CES TV lineups were about outrageously priced sets that have a resolution so far above what we will see anytime soon with frequency in our daily lives that it's impractical unless your money tree is shedding like crazy. And the tangible benefits of that resolution only become visible if you are a few feet away or have around a 100" screen which is prohibitive in and of itself. Plus, Sony is now saying goodbye to backlit TVs. And the final part is I'm not seeing any true ground breakingly new stuff. OLED will have a lot of teething problems at these sizes. And Sharp has nothing on the elite 2.0 making the 950 the last of a dying breed really.

I for one am happy with the purchases I have and hopefully will have these sets for a long time as the TV industry as a whole is really a big diss ointment to me personally. The only other thing is to see what apple does in the TV market. Hopefully they stay in the box arena and don't try panels. That little apple logo has never meant quality LCD panels to me, so we will see.
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Originally Posted by net_synapse View Post

I too thought at first that it was a image cropping error but it was confirmed as a true design choice on Sony's part when I watched the following:



Go to 1:04 to see a closeup look of the speakers.

The cutoff edge is actually the speaker bezel, this design was done to accommodate buyers request for better speakers, for better sound.
BTW the production number for those big screen OLED & UHD will be much lower than normal production counts because Sony realizes there will be a limited market for those $$$$ sets in this economical environment. There is not a lot of consumers ready to 'plunk' down 12 to 20K for a TV (especially one with NEW technology).
Edited by IMRIZZO - 1/10/13 at 8:01am
post #2277 of 4483
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind 

Well guys, it seems there will not be anymore full array tv's in Sony's 2013 line.
The top of the line tv's will be edge lit, local dimming.

http://hdguru.com/sonys-2013-hdtv-line-revealed/9750/
hx950 was announced later, it was first shown at IFA in september 2012. Its to early to tell.
post #2278 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

The cutoff edge is actually the speaker bezel, this design was done to accommodate buyers request for better speakers, for better sound.
BTW the production number for those big screen OLED & UHD will be much lower than normal production counts because Sony realizes there will be a limiter market for those $$$$ sets in this economical environment. There is not a lot of consumers ready to 'plunk' down 12 to 20K for a TV (especially one with NEW technology).

If I'm spending that much on a TV like this, it would stand to reason that I would also have a home theater system. The last thing I would want to see are ugly speakers sticking out of the side of my TV that are never going to be used. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I just don't see how many would spend 3-5k on a TV and not have some surround sound system as this tv is in more of the enthusiast price range, not your everyday shopper.
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I must be in the minority. I would just purchase the tv for the speaker system. I wouldn't watch anything just stream Pandora through the speakers. How many people can say they spent 20k on just a 2.0 setup.cool.gif
post #2280 of 4483
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

If I'm spending that much on a TV like this, it would stand to reason that I would also have a home theater system. The last thing I would want to see are ugly speakers sticking out of the side of my TV that are never going to be used. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I just don't see how many would spend 3-5k on a TV and not have some surround sound system as this tv is in more of the enthusiast price range, not your everyday shopper.

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