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post #2281 of 4484
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

hx950 was announced later, it was first shown at IFA in september 2012. Its to early to tell.

I too am hoping that they announce a true replacement for the HX950 at a later date.
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I would love to see Sony produce an OLED/4K panel monitor, sans speakers. The Hi-end Home theater people don't use onboard speakers anyway. That way they could create an edgeless panel which if it kept the 929/950 configuration, would be one helluva a sharp panel.
post #2283 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

The cutoff edge is actually the speaker bezel, this design was done to accommodate buyers request for better speakers, for better sound.

How does that design give better sound? Could they not have achieved equivalent sound with a symmetrical presentation?
post #2284 of 4484
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

How does that design give better sound? Could they not have achieved equivalent sound with a symmetrical presentation?

It allows for the use of larger speakers if the had full circle design it would have extended the bezels approx 1.5" more on each side, and the current objective is to keep the bezels to a minimum.
post #2285 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

It allows for the use of larger speakers if the had full circle design it would have extended the bezels approx 1.5" more on each side, and the current objective is to keep the bezels to a minimum.

It's a huge, wide TV. An extra 1.5" on either side when you've already accepted increasing the width for better speakers and thereby thrown the goal of a thin bezel out the window isn't going to matter much in practical terms, and in aesthetic terms, it would look better. But then leaving the cones exposed is further indication they have weird aesthetic sensibilities. Like I said earlier, it looks like some kind of video boombox mounted on a cheap silver ring. I think the design group has trolled marketing, or maybe they hired all the ex-Zune designers, who pioneered the use of clipped text in the UI, which is somewhat similar. Anyway, there's no accounting for taste, mine included... cool.gif
post #2286 of 4484
Are those speakers removable? I know when I purchased a 50" HP plasma about 8/9 years ago they had speakers on each side of the plasma but I never did hook them up. They are still in the packinging material which the plasma came delivered in. They are around 3-4" wide.
post #2287 of 4484
I'm all for an XBR full array backlight TV with no integrated speakers at all. The type of audio I'm getting through my AVR/speakers/sub are much better than they would ever put on a TV; it would more than double the price if they tried!

I wonder how many people play a Blu-ray and think they're getting lossless quality audio from their HX950 speakers? IMHO, they should make the TV without speakers, and have an option for a crappy little soundbar that can integrate with it along the bottom or the l/r edges. Integrated TV speakers hanging out the left & right edges are ugly.
post #2288 of 4484
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

I'm all for an XBR full array backlight TV with no integrated speakers at all. The type of audio I'm getting through my AVR/speakers/sub are much better than they would ever put on a TV; it would more than double the price if they tried!

I wonder how many people play a Blu-ray and think they're getting lossless quality audio from their HX950 speakers? IMHO, they should make the TV without speakers, and have an option for a crappy little soundbar that can integrate with it along the bottom or the l/r edges. Integrated TV speakers hanging out the left & right edges are ugly.

see post 2282
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Are those speakers removable? I know when I purchased a 50" HP plasma about 8/9 years ago they had speakers on each side of the plasma but I never did hook them up. They are still in the packinging material which the plasma came delivered in. They are around 3-4" wide.
Upon closer inspection it appears,they are permanent. Why did Sony do this? Looks "Hokey"
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MIB

post #2291 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

see post 2282
Yes, I'm right there with you on the speakers: completely leave them off for the top end enthusiast line TVs.

I can't help but be a little skeptical about OLED, hopefully it is a winner of a technology, but I'd love to have a 4K set even if it is just doing a good upscaling algorithm from a 1080p source.
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Just curious if the 950 supports full HD 1080p 3d? Or is it just passive 3d that can't support 1080p to each eye?
post #2293 of 4484
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Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

Just curious if the 950 supports full HD 1080p 3d? Or is it just passive 3d that can't support 1080p to each eye?

It supports full 1080 P
post #2294 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I would love to see Sony produce an OLED/4K panel monitor, sans speakers. The Hi-end Home theater people don't use onboard speakers anyway. That way they could create an edgeless panel which if it kept the 929/950 configuration, would be one helluva a sharp panel.

Strongly agree. I will take it further and suggest Sony offer a videophile quality pure monitor with no tuner, no wifi, no internet. All I use on the 950 are the HDMI ports. All content comes from offboard sources. Whereas high end consumer audio has always been about separates, high end consumer video seems to force integration of sometimes superfluous features. If Sony built a 950 grade 65 inch monitor for $3500 those in our community would embrace it and make it the standard.
post #2295 of 4484
So do all the 950's have this Halo effect theat I'm reading about on football, or is it just a certain setting that causes this and once that is turned off it is no longer there?
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I have had my 55HX955 (European version) for about a month now and I cannot seem to get any good black levels or dark scenes out of the set.

I have tried both Flavius, Imrizzos and other settings, but bottom line I get the same white haze lying on top of dark scenes. Bright scenes look very good, but whenever the scene turns dark I have the issue. Have anyone experienced the same? Or have an idea of what this can be? It is like the backlighting is turned too much up for the light. It is very much like a constant blooming issue over the whole screen.

I have attached a couple of pictures taken of both my LG 860 set and my Sony 955 and the LG seems to have the better blacks which shouldn't be the case. The LG lags uniformity in the display which is perfect on the Sony. The Sony also has very nice black levels when displaying an all black still photo. But in the cable content I am watching both SD and HD as the Iron Man clips I am showing it looks bad.

Is the set defect? Or have I missed a secret setting somewhere?

Two of the pictures below have been taken in a pitch black room and the other two in dusk or damped light. It is hard to capture on a still but these photos should give an idea.




post #2297 of 4484
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Originally Posted by klinge View Post

I have had my 55HX955 (European version) for about a month now and I cannot seem to get any good black levels or dark scenes out of the set.

I have tried both Flavius, Imrizzos and other settings, but bottom line I get the same white haze lying on top of dark scenes. Bright scenes look very good, but whenever the scene turns dark I have the issue. Have anyone experienced the same? Or have an idea of what this can be? It is like the backlighting is turned too much up for the light. It is very much like a constant blooming issue over the whole screen.

I have attached a couple of pictures taken of both my LG 860 set and my Sony 955 and the LG seems to have the better blacks which shouldn't be the case. The LG lags uniformity in the display which is perfect on the Sony. The Sony also has very nice black levels when displaying an all black still photo. But in the cable content I am watching both SD and HD as the Iron Man clips I am showing it looks bad.

Is the set defect? Or have I missed a secret setting somewhere?

Two of the pictures below have been taken in a pitch black room and the other two in dusk or damped light. It is hard to capture on a still but these photos should give an idea.





Make sure LED dynamic control is on Standard.

This issue is blooming:

- on the first pic at the top right; the bright part of the scene is blooming into the black bar causing the lack of total darkness. The logo at the top left is also causing this issue as well as the subtitles.

You are correct the Back Light setting does play a part:

- try this setting as it will improve this...

Setting Memory: [any]
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: Min
Picture: 95
Brightness: 50
Color: 53
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Dot noise reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Low
Motionflow: Clear
CineMotion: Auto 1

-Advanced Settings submenu-
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
White Balance: [see below]
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [grayed out]

-White Balance submenu-
R-Gain: -6
G-Gain: -2
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -1
G-Bias: -1
B-Bias: -1

Ambient Sensor: Off

--Screen menu--
Setting Memory: [any]
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: [grayed out]
Vertical Size: 0 [grayed out]

--Pro Picture Setup menu--
[all settings default/Auto]

--Home Menu>Settings>Preferences--

--Scene Select menu--
General

--Eco menu--
Power Saving: Off
Light Sensor: Off

Once again make sure LED DC is on standard...
post #2298 of 4484
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

Well I did have my 950's back light set on zero, so the plasma is about as bright. I have not calibrated or tweaked the vt50 yet. I'm going though the break in process...running slides, watching tons of general content, NOTHING WITH STATIC LOGOS for awhile.

Each of my 3 950's did have the halo-blur thing going on and 2 suffered from varying degrees of DSE, and 2 had dead pixels. I can confirm right off the bat though that there is no halo blur, DSE, or dead pixels. WOOHOO! I'm one for one on the VT50s.

I don't think plasma is inherently fuzzier than lcds because of overscan and pixels orbiters. The Vt50 picture seems just as crisp as the 950's, maybe a slight edge to the 950 but that could because i liked Flavius' settings so much.

Anyway, Ill have more on this in the next few days.

kickalillas2: do you notice the flicker inherent with plasmas especially the VT50?
post #2299 of 4484
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

I get that you are excited about something that doesn't have the flaws of the other set. I had a 65" vt30 and gt30 in my two rooms. Both sets started great. But after the break in what I found was Panny uses a phosphor that is quick reacting for ghosting. But it also begins to retain images and gain burn in as it ages. Most plasmas become less likely to exhibit this behavior as time goes by. The VT 30 and the VT 50 is even worse from my research. Believe me when I wanted to like plasma more. Watching sports with over 1,000hrs in my plasma for one football game yielded image retention that was terrible. Break it in now and get your time in before your return period expires. I think you will find that once you see it's shortcomings you will switch again. The 950 is laiden with quality problems such as pixel defects and some banding. But for everyday use, games, sports, and having kids, I'll never buy another plasma. To many things "that are no no's". I rather watch TV instead of babysit it.

I time dark spots will appear as the phosphor age unevenly. With an LCD, it's what it will be the life of the set. Plasma keeps changing and shifting based upon what you watch. But if that's your thing, enjoy!

BarrettF77: This leads me to a question that I've been meaning to ask. With my old Sony LCD RPTV (KDF-60XBR950) I eventually succumbed to the bad optical block issue...

What, if anything, am I to expect with the Sony XBR-65HX950 as it ages?
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Check this out...available soon at your select Best Buy stores!!

http://www.magnoliaav.com/Brands/SONY
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Curiously, why hasn't Sony come out with a 70" version of our TV? The XBR-70HX950?

This would then really compete directly with the Sharp Elite even though our 65HX950 can go to-to-toe with it already.

Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

Curiously, why hasn't Sony come out with a 70" version of our TV? The XBR-70HX950?

This would then really compete directly with the Sharp Elite even though our 65HX950 can go to-to-toe with it already.

Thoughts?
It's simply a matter of their supplier of Glass doesn't do cuts above 65" that meets the price point and economics of dividing the mother glass.

Sony abdandoned it's partnership with Sharp about 18 months ago and in doing so they gave up the ability to garner glass to supply 70"> panels.

Yes, they do a custom cut for new 84" panel but remember it's selling for $25K and sold in ltd volume and thus that buyer is paying for the waste that can result in a cut that is not meet the economy of the mother glass.

My guess is Sharp could do a similar size for far less costs as their mother glass is simply that much larger than nearly anyone else in their 10G plant in Saiki.
post #2303 of 4484
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

BarrettF77: This leads me to a question that I've been meaning to ask. With my old Sony LCD RPTV (KDF-60XBR950) I eventually succumbed to the bad optical block issue...

What, if anything, am I to expect with the Sony XBR-65HX950 as it ages?

I've owned numerous LCD panels dating back ten years. Your comparing apples with oranges as that OB does not exist on these panels.

So far I've never had any degradation of PQ or failures on my Sharp 32" 47" 57", Sony 23", 40", Samsung 55", 60" - all are working and half of them I've given to relatives when I upgraded. Today my oldest LCD is my 23" Sony in my kitchen and it cost more than what a 60" costs today but it's still going strong. Not a single service call on any duirng the past ten years. I also managed an enterprise network where I had many LCD TV's and the only one I ever lost was a cheap off brand called Viewsonic - it was CRAP! Also, owned a Plasma after my SXRD for a week and hated it - my bright sunny room is no place for a plasma and I hate the dirty urinated on whites and horrid trying to game or watch dark movies on a sunny day!

Eventually all electronics will succumb to environmental humidity, dust and dirt - I serviced these items for years before I retired last year and anyone that has done teardowns on such equipment can attest to dust collection over years of use that eventually may create problems internally even in a clean environment. Hopefully Sony isn't going cheaper on the internals of their systems as they migrate to more cost effective suppliers of glass and components but I've seen no degradation of PQ on my LCD's.
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Thanks Criticalshot.... definately the best settings I have tried so far. It removes a lot of the blooming issues and does make black look blacker. smile.gif

The main difference from the settings I have tried so far and yours is the very low Backlight setting and the very high Picture setting. The rest of the settings are more or less the same.
Is there a reason to why you use Clear instead of Clear Plus (this should enable scanning backlight)?

LED Dynamic Control have always been set to standard, I have never changed this. But incredible what the subtle changes you have introduced to my settings can do.

Here are pictures of approx. the same clips as previously. But again it is very hard to capture this. The blooming that caught your attention on the first pictures wasn't something you would notice that clearly in real life.



But still I am very picky and I would expect black levels to be able to go even lower. I still see a noticable difference between the black frame around the TV and then the black bars top and bottom of the Iron Man clips. Do you get anything near the black on the frame on the panel of your set? Compared to the black frame the blacks on the panel is still dark grey.

Could you check this clip recorded on my Win7 mediacenter. It is a strange clip from a movie intro with a very large black frame around the image. However the black sorrounding the image is still too grey for my taste and I would dare to say that my non-local dimming LG 860 set can do at least (or better than the HX950) on this specific parameter.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8LTFq3lR0YbZTdqR0JtN2lxemc/edit

The clip is playable on any Win7 PC.
post #2305 of 4484
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Originally Posted by klinge View Post

Thanks Criticalshot.... definately the best settings I have tried so far. It removes a lot of the blooming issues and does make black look blacker. smile.gif

The main difference from the settings I have tried so far and yours is the very low Backlight setting and the very high Picture setting. The rest of the settings are more or less the same.
Is there a reason to why you use Clear instead of Clear Plus (this should enable scanning backlight)?

LED Dynamic Control have always been set to standard, I have never changed this. But incredible what the subtle changes you have introduced to my settings can do.

Here are pictures of approx. the same clips as previously. But again it is very hard to capture this. The blooming that caught your attention on the first pictures wasn't something you would notice that clearly in real life.



But still I am very picky and I would expect black levels to be able to go even lower. I still see a noticable difference between the black frame around the TV and then the black bars top and bottom of the Iron Man clips. Do you get anything near the black on the frame on the panel of your set? Compared to the black frame the blacks on the panel is still dark grey.

Could you check this clip recorded on my Win7 mediacenter. It is a strange clip from a movie intro with a very large black frame around the image. However the black sorrounding the image is still too grey for my taste and I would dare to say that my non-local dimming LG 860 set can do at least (or better than the HX950) on this specific parameter.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8LTFq3lR0YbZTdqR0JtN2lxemc/edit

The clip is playable on any Win7 PC.

Get some led lights to stick behind the tv, improves the perception of deep blacks and only cost $30 or so.





post #2306 of 4484
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Originally Posted by klinge View Post

Thanks Criticalshot.... definately the best settings I have tried so far. It removes a lot of the blooming issues and does make black look blacker. smile.gif

The main difference from the settings I have tried so far and yours is the very low Backlight setting and the very high Picture setting. The rest of the settings are more or less the same.
Is there a reason to why you use Clear instead of Clear Plus (this should enable scanning backlight)?

LED Dynamic Control have always been set to standard, I have never changed this. But incredible what the subtle changes you have introduced to my settings can do.

Here are pictures of approx. the same clips as previously. But again it is very hard to capture this. The blooming that caught your attention on the first pictures wasn't something you would notice that clearly in real life.



But still I am very picky and I would expect black levels to be able to go even lower. I still see a noticable difference between the black frame around the TV and then the black bars top and bottom of the Iron Man clips. Do you get anything near the black on the frame on the panel of your set? Compared to the black frame the blacks on the panel is still dark grey.

Could you check this clip recorded on my Win7 mediacenter. It is a strange clip from a movie intro with a very large black frame around the image. However the black sorrounding the image is still too grey for my taste and I would dare to say that my non-local dimming LG 860 set can do at least (or better than the HX950) on this specific parameter.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8LTFq3lR0YbZTdqR0JtN2lxemc/edit

The clip is playable on any Win7 PC.

I have multiple settings that I use; I used Clear for the settings I gave you as it does not introduce artifacts and it doesn't darken the picture like Clear Plus. I do have a setting that I use Clear Plus and it compensates for the darker setting.

Below is an excerpt from a review and it says the blacks on this display can't be "fuched wit" (I am paraphrasing) by most any display.

"Comparisons and Conclusions
In a side-by-side 2D comparison with a Panasonic TC-P65VT50 (Home Theater, October 2012) in a fully darkened room, and relative size aside (the Panasonic’s screen is 10 inches larger), the two sets’ performance was very close. I’d give a slight edge in black level and shadow detail to—surprise—the Sony, though the differences were small in that dark room. But when I turned on some over- head lighting, the Sony’s visible contrast held up better than the Panasonic’s. The black bars on less than full-screen sources were also darker on the Sony; on very bright scenes, the Sony’s picture also popped slightly more. Plasma sets can’t, in general, go as bright as LCDs, and particularly not when they’re called on to produce a very bright full-screen image. The colors on the two sets varied slightly, but not enough to give the edge to either. The Sony was a bit sharper as is typical of LCDs, though its smaller screen likely helped here as well.

But the Panasonic had the clear edge in off-axis viewing quality—and also in value. While this 55-inch Sony is comparable in price to the Panasonic, Sony’s 65-inch equivalent (the XBR-65HX950) will run you nearly $1,800 more than the Panasonic at list prices.

Any way you look at it, however, the Sony XBR-55HX950 is a striking performer. From the deepest, darkest scenes in 2D and 3D to its bright, vivid 3D, it’s definitely among the best sets I’ve yet had the pleasure of testing."

The blacks are great but that dang blooming gives the impression of gray on subject matter with black bars. Try assessing the blacks on something that fills the entire screen; LED-backlit, local-dimming is this TV's gift and curse.
Edited by CRITICALSHOT - 1/11/13 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by klinge View Post

I have had my 55HX955 (European version) for about a month now and I cannot seem to get any good black levels or dark scenes out of the set.

I have tried both Flavius, Imrizzos and other settings, but bottom line I get the same white haze lying on top of dark scenes. Bright scenes look very good, but whenever the scene turns dark I have the issue. Have anyone experienced the same? Or have an idea of what this can be? It is like the backlighting is turned too much up for the light. It is very much like a constant blooming issue over the whole screen.

I have attached a couple of pictures taken of both my LG 860 set and my Sony 955 and the LG seems to have the better blacks which shouldn't be the case. The LG lags uniformity in the display which is perfect on the Sony. The Sony also has very nice black levels when displaying an all black still photo. But in the cable content I am watching both SD and HD as the Iron Man clips I am showing it looks bad.

Is the set defect? Or have I missed a secret setting somewhere?

Two of the pictures below have been taken in a pitch black room and the other two in dusk or damped light. It is hard to capture on a still but these photos should give an idea.





Aren't the blacks on the LG TOO dark? By that I mean you cannot see any detail such as the pin stripes on the suit or behind Batman. The second set of pictures are much better.
post #2308 of 4484
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Originally Posted by digmor crusher View Post

Aren't the blacks on the LG TOO dark? By that I mean you cannot see any detail such as the pin stripes on the suit or behind Batman. The second set of pictures are much better.

It is true that all detail is crushed in every aspect of the LG image; not just the suit. The box in the middle, the boiler type thing on the right, the barrel next to the box, the door on the right, oil stain on the ground to the left and the details (horizontal lines in the guard rail) on the left. In the settings I gave you; you can always go -1 on the gamma but........
Edited by CRITICALSHOT - 1/11/13 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

MIB


Great picture. Was at BB in Mishawaka, IND. not a Magnolia store so no high end Sonys to look @. In Kalamazoo, Michigan though @ ABC Warehouse they have them in stock. I have to say its a great picture.
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

Check this out...available soon at your select Best Buy stores!!

http://www.magnoliaav.com/Brands/SONY

Yeah...if you click on "available locations" it's very few stores. Appears to only be available at a few of the "Design Center" stores, which there are very few of to begin with. Doubt these will make their way into your run of the mill "Magnolia Home Theater" store.



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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

It's simply a matter of their supplier of Glass doesn't do cuts above 65" that meets the price point and economics of dividing the mother glass.

Sony abdandoned it's partnership with Sharp about 18 months ago and in doing so they gave up the ability to garner glass to supply 70"> panels.

Yes, they do a custom cut for new 84" panel but remember it's selling for $25K and sold in ltd volume and thus that buyer is paying for the waste that can result in a cut that is not meet the economy of the mother glass.

My guess is Sharp could do a similar size for far less costs as their mother glass is simply that much larger than nearly anyone else in their 10G plant in Saiki.

Sony does have a 70" model in the pipeline for 2013, but it's not an XBR. It's a KDL-70R550A. 120Hz, edge-lit, passive 3D. See link:

http://store.sony.com/p/70-inch-HDTV%2C-LED-TV%2C-R-Series%2C-R550%2C-genie-whole-home-DVR%2C-3D-TV%2C-Edge-LED%2C-smart-TV%2C-Full-HD/en/p/KDL70R550A
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