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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Yeah...if you click on "available locations" it's very few stores. Appears to only be available at a few of the "Design Center" stores, which there are very few of to begin with. Doubt these will make their way into your run of the mill "Magnolia Home Theater" store.
Sony does have a 70" model in the pipeline for 2013, but it's not an XBR. It's a KDL-70R550A. 120Hz, edge-lit, passive 3D. See link:

http://store.sony.com/p/70-inch-HDTV%2C-LED-TV%2C-R-Series%2C-R550%2C-genie-whole-home-DVR%2C-3D-TV%2C-Edge-LED%2C-smart-TV%2C-Full-HD/en/p/KDL70R550A

I'm sure your aware that, that is a monitor (a tunerless TV)
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I was told that the whole tsunami thing did damage to Sony's factories crippling their ability to produce large format TVs.

It's why the HX850 didn't come out above 55". They stuck with one 65" (the HX929) from the previous year and didn't try to make any others in 2012.

Considering Sharp's dominance in the large panel market (which I understand is mostly because they produce them for themselves), I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony (and others) stretch a bit in 2013.

I understand 110" is the new big. I suppose if you're going to go 4k you sort of have to unless you like your feet hitting your TV.

Optimal viewing distance for an 85" 4k TV? 6 feet. Yeah, enjoy.
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

I have multiple settings that I use; I used Clear for the settings I gave you as it does not introduce artifacts and it doesn't darken the picture like Clear Plus. I do have a setting that I use Clear Plus and it compensates for the darker setting.

Could you post or PM me your settings with Clear Plus, just for comparison.
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

"Comparisons and Conclusions
In a side-by-side 2D comparison with a Panasonic TC-P65VT50 (Home Theater, October 2012) in a fully darkened room, and relative size aside (the Panasonic’s screen is 10 inches larger), the two sets’ performance was very close. I’d give a slight edge in black level and shadow detail to—surprise—the Sony, though the differences were small in that dark room. But when I turned on some over- head lighting, the Sony’s visible contrast held up better than the Panasonic’s. The black bars on less than full-screen sources were also darker on the Sony; on very bright scenes, the Sony’s picture also popped slightly more. Plasma sets can’t, in general, go as bright as LCDs, and particularly not when they’re called on to produce a very bright full-screen image. The colors on the two sets varied slightly, but not enough to give the edge to either. The Sony was a bit sharper as is typical of LCDs, though its smaller screen likely helped here as well.

But the Panasonic had the clear edge in off-axis viewing quality—and also in value. While this 55-inch Sony is comparable in price to the Panasonic, Sony’s 65-inch equivalent (the XBR-65HX950) will run you nearly $1,800 more than the Panasonic at list prices.


Any way you look at it, however, the Sony XBR-55HX950 is a striking performer. From the deepest, darkest scenes in 2D and 3D to its bright, vivid 3D, it’s definitely among the best sets I’ve yet had the pleasure of testing."

And it is test results like this which made me purchase the set and furthermore it sets my expectations sky high with regards to black level. And therefore I do not understand that I get dark grey blacks... when I indeed expect black.
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

The blacks are great but that dang blooming gives the impression of gray on subject matter with black bars. Try assessing the blacks on something that fills the entire screen; LED-backlit, local-dimming is this TV's gift and curse.

I totally agree that it is a gift and a curse. It requires very fine tuning to hit the sweet spot.

Again thanks for your settings they made a huge difference for my TV viewing. The settings have removed:
  1. The white haze I had in dark scenes. It reduced the blooming effect.
  2. Made my off axis viewing a lot better. The blooming/haze was a lot more visible off axis and with the blooming issue reduced off axis is a lot better.
  3. The settings also removed banding. Not the vertical stripes kind of banding, my set hasn't got that issue. However I experienced gradient banding especially in animation movies. If the background faded from one color to another. Then I could clearly see bands instead of a smooth color change.

So I am very happy.biggrin.gif
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*double post removed*
Edited by klinge - 1/12/13 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

It is true that all detail is crushed in every aspect of the LG image; not just the suit. The box in the middle, the boiler type thing on the right, the barrel next to the box, the door on the right, oil stain on the ground to the left and the details (horizontal lines in the guard rail) on the left. In the settings I gave you; you can always go -1 on the gamma but........

You are right the LG doesn't have the same shadow detail as the Sony 950. But the pictures makes it look a lot worse than it is on the LG. I can clearly see pinstripes on the suit etc. on the actual screen, but again hard to capture with a compact camera.
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Anyone here upgrade from a HX929? I'm debating selling my HX929 and buying a HX950, it'd be about a $1200 upgrade and was wondering if it's worth it or not.

What are the key differences? I know it has pretty much double the local dimming spots, so blooming should surely be reduced? Is off angle viewing improved any?
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From what I've read keep the 929. About the same
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Originally Posted by Tyrindor View Post

Anyone here upgrade from a HX929? I'm debating selling my HX929 and buying a HX950, it'd be about a $1200 upgrade and was wondering if it's worth it or not.

What are the key differences? I know it has pretty much double the local dimming spots, so blooming should surely be reduced? Is off angle viewing improved any?

I would't do it; I would wait and watch the upcoming displays in the next couple of years. If you have money to burn you should upgrade your HT system (speakers), new BR player or a nice new comfy chair.
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

Check this out...available soon at your select Best Buy stores!!

http://www.magnoliaav.com/Brands/SONY

lol I love the way Sony is trying to push 4K in this advertisement:

"---stand very close to the screen,----it's seamless!"

The wording they use in this advertisement is very telling. They are basically saying right there in the ad you have to stand right next to the screen to see any difference between 1080P and 4K.
Edited by kdog750 - 1/12/13 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

lol I love the way Sony is trying to push 4K in this advertisement:

"---stand very close to the screen,----it's seamless!"
I should charge them for that...that's my saying for my frontstage. My 3 Klipsch RF7IIs are "Seamless" smile.gif
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Was wondering if any 950 owners could fill me in on the following....

- How is vertical banding on the HX950? I returned a couple Samsung 65ES8000s due to vertical banding that was noticeable not just on panning shots but any solid background as well. 3D was flawless in the 65ES8000 with razor sharp/zero crosstalk even on cross talk prone 3D blus.
- Which brings me to the 3D.... how is the level of crosstalk and 3D in general? In an effort to eliminate vertical banding, I downgraded to the 60ES8000 only to discover that since it is a different panel inside (Sharp) compared to the 65ES8000, that it eliminated noticeable vertical banding at the expense of a terrible 3D image compared to the 65ES8000.

Was hoping that the HX950 would be something that would have both a solid 2D and 3D performance.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Was wondering if any 950 owners could fill me in on the following....

- How is vertical banding on the HX950? I returned a couple Samsung 65ES8000s due to vertical banding that was noticeable not just on panning shots but any solid background as well. 3D was flawless in the 65ES8000 with razor sharp/zero crosstalk even on cross talk prone 3D blus.
- Which brings me to the 3D.... how is the level of crosstalk and 3D in general? In an effort to eliminate vertical banding, I downgraded to the 60ES8000 only to discover that since it is a different panel inside (Sharp) compared to the 65ES8000, that it eliminated noticeable vertical banding at the expense of a terrible 3D image compared to the 65ES8000.

Was hoping that the HX950 would be something that would have both a solid 2D and 3D performance.

3D is good on the 950. Haven't used it a ton, but I think you will be happy with it. Banding is much better than samsung. This varies from set to set as some you see minimal, and others I sent back you could see one or two really obtrusive bands. But you would be much better served with this over the Samsung. The elite is the only other one I'd buy at this price point.
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Originally Posted by Tyrindor View Post

Anyone here upgrade from a HX929? I'm debating selling my HX929 and buying a HX950, it'd be about a $1200 upgrade and was wondering if it's worth it or not.

What are the key differences? I know it has pretty much double the local dimming spots, so blooming should surely be reduced? Is off angle viewing improved any?
There was early speculation & wishful thinking that the number of local dimming zones was improved from the HX929 to the HX950, but we've concluded that they are exactly the same, though the 65" has more zones than the 55" for each. Expect about the same blooming. I think that it might be a different model number for the panel, but off axis viewing is still not as good as direct viewing. There may be some minor differences in the software. IMHO, you won't get $1200 worth of improvement; save it until the next big upgrade such as 4k resolution.
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to the guy asking about selling the 929 for a 950, dont do it..

how long do you guys think it will be before the 4k 55 inch sets reach the 3000/3500 price point..

if they put out a 4k 55 in the next couple of years for 3000/3500 or a 65 for 5500/6500, will you guys regret buying a 950..??
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

to the guy asking about selling the 929 for a 950, dont do it..

how long do you guys think it will be before the 4k 55 inch sets reach the 3000/3500 price point..

if they put out a 4k 55 in the next couple of years for 3000/3500 or a 65 for 5500/6500, will you guys regret buying a 950..??

Since I had to get less than 3 feet away from an 84" TV to tell it was higher than 1080P, I can't imagine how close you would have to get to a 55 or even 65" to tell the difference. 4K will only truly affect those of us with large projector screens to take advantage of it. That's when and if 4K content eventually becomes available. Remember, 3D has been around in all the new TV's for several years now yet there are only a small handful of titles available. Still virtually no content.
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Originally Posted by THX View Post

kickalillas2: do you notice the flicker inherent with plasmas especially the VT50?

I'd say i only noticed it once, but after 10 or 15 minutes i didn't see it again. It could have been the source or the tv needed to warm up...Speaking on which this tv does run HOT, my room is 12 x 12, get's to be short weather after a whole day of movie watching(keep in mind its 30 degrees in Chicago right now)

I also have an older Samsung 720p plasma that i can honestly say i never noticed it on. Flicker might be limited to certain sets/models.
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

I'd say i only noticed it once, but after 10 or 15 minutes i didn't see it again. It could have been the source or the tv needed to warm up...Speaking on which this tv does run HOT, my room is 12 x 12, get's to be short weather after a whole day of movie watching(keep in mind its 30 degrees in Chicago right now)

I also have an older Samsung 720p plasma that i can honestly say i never noticed it on. Flicker might be limited to certain sets/models.

gorthocar noticed the flicker all day every day with the VT50. I didn't notice the flicker with my old VT50 as I may not be sensitive to it. Forget about the dang VT50; if we are going off topic I would rather hear about the Vizio 70 inch E-Series for $1,889.
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Well.....3 strikes and you're out.

No more panel lottery.

Got the 3rd and final swap for the 55HX950, December build date, and same result with Dirty Screen Effect.

While not as prominant as the first set, it is almost identical to the second set.

Is anyone else having issues with panning shots with this tv on light backgrounds? This link really exploits the DSE issue on the sets that I have owned and swapped. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmqhAtdjE0.

The link says test for banding, but if your tv has a DSE issue, it will surely show.

I was really hoping this set would be different. While the picture is truly amazing on these tv's, I just can't ignore the DSE issue.

Guess, I'll wait on OLED and see if the DSE issues are any different on these panels.

To all who got good tv's, enjoy your sets. Uncle.....on the panel lottery frown.gif.
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

gorthocar noticed the flicker all day every day with the VT50. I didn't notice the flicker with my old VT50 as I may not be sensitive to it. Forget about the dang VT50; if we are going off topic I would rather hear about the Vizio 70 inch E-Series for $1,889.
Absolutely. The flicker of the VT50 was annoying at 96Hz, and was truly slapping me in the face at 48Hz. Using it as a HTPC at 60Hz was bad. I may be more sensitive to it than others; sometimes I'm annoyed by flicker in 60Hz florescent light bulbs. smile.gif The HX950 is absolutely fabulous in this area; I can't perceive any flicker at all.

If you are happy with your VT50, more power to you. I tried a VT50 myself and was disappointed in the results; flicker was just one of many issues. I'm still extremely pleased with my HX950.
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I'm sorry but how do we notice this so-called dirty screen effect, I can't seem to notice on mine?
Is it only on white background ?
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Originally Posted by jrmtl View Post

I'm sorry but how do we notice this so-called dirty screen effect, I can't seem to notice on mine?
Is it only on white background ?

Do not look for it. I was perfectly happy with my Pioneer plasma until I read a thread about DSE on this site. After that it was all I could see for a while.
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Originally Posted by Dave A. View Post

Do not look for it. I was perfectly happy with my Pioneer plasma until I read a thread about DSE on this site. After that it was all I could see for a while.

Amen !! if ya don't see it don't go looking for it .....or else it becomes OCD like.( Looking at the TV but not seeing the picture, cause yer busy lookin' for problems).
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Originally Posted by jrmtl View Post

I'm sorry but how do we notice this so-called dirty screen effect, I can't seem to notice on mine?
Is it only on white background ?

It's on white backgrounds or anything light colored.

I have noticed it on hockey games, Ice Age, Wall-E, Up, Avengers, and any other movie on light backgrounds and there are quick camera pans.

I thought the local dimming on the set would mask this and not show up. My old UN55B8500 does not show these issues - have compared back and forth with the above movies on both tv's.
Edited by bunyun316 - 1/15/13 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Amen !! if ya don't see it don't go looking for it .....or else it becomes OCD like.( Looking at the TV but not seeing the picture, cause yer busy lookin' for problems).

I completely agree on the "don't look for it part."

When I got my first set, of all people to point the issue out - my wife asked what were those smudges on the tv screen.

I was watching John Carter on Blu-ray - beginning of the movie with the airships.

When I rewound the Blu-ray, I was like nooooooooo .

I had tested the other 2 Sony's hoping that the issue would be minimal enough to not notice it. I even tried really low backlight, picture, brightness, and local dimming on and off combinations and couldn't make it un-noticeable.

The same DSE test link posted on my orginal post runs flawlessly on my Samsung UN55B8500.

I bought the Sony to replace the Samsung as I had to replace the power board due to capacitor power board issue.

Don't get me wrong, the sony picture pops amazingly and is definitely crisper.

If you don't notice the DSE on your tv then no worries.

I was even tempted to call Sony for a replacement but tired of swapping.

If you still want to look for it, watch a hockey game. On the fast pans on the ice it will look like faint dirty blotches on the screen - like faint clouding on the panel.
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Originally Posted by bunyun316 View Post


Got the 3rd and final swap for the 55HX950, December build date, and same result with Dirty Screen Effect.

While not as prominant as the first set, it is almost identical to the second set.

Is anyone else having issues with panning shots with this tv on light backgrounds? This link really exploits the DSE issue on the sets that I have owned and swapped. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmqhAtdjE0.

I have the 55HX955 and yes is does suffer from mild DSE, but I only notice it because I have read about DSE. I think most people will never notice it.

It is most noticably during panning shots in a soccer game. It is easy to identify on the green grass. Fortunately I do not watch sports, so it isn't an issue for me.

I think all newer LCD/LED suffer from DSE for some reason. So there is no way around it. Just hope for a set which only has a mild degree of DSE.
Edited by klinge - 1/16/13 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by klinge View Post

I think all newer LCD/LED suffer from DSE for some reason. So there is no way around it. Just hope for a set which only has a mild degree of DSE.

You said all; I am defect free...feels good to be one of the lucky ones.
post #2338 of 4483
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Originally Posted by bunyun316 View Post

I completely agree on the "don't look for it part."

When I got my first set, of all people to point the issue out - my wife asked what were those smudges on the tv screen.

I was watching John Carter on Blu-ray - beginning of the movie with the airships.

When I rewound the Blu-ray, I was like nooooooooo .

I had tested the other 2 Sony's hoping that the issue would be minimal enough to not notice it. I even tried really low backlight, picture, brightness, and local dimming on and off combinations and couldn't make it un-noticeable.

The same DSE test link posted on my orginal post runs flawlessly on my Samsung UN55B8500.

I bought the Sony to replace the Samsung as I had to replace the power board due to capacitor power board issue.

Don't get me wrong, the sony picture pops amazingly and is definitely crisper.

If you don't notice the DSE on your tv then no worries.

I was even tempted to call Sony for a replacement but tired of swapping.

If you still want to look for it, watch a hockey game. On the fast pans on the ice it will look like faint dirty blotches on the screen - like faint clouding on the panel.

How distracting is this DSE compared to vertical banding? Recently got rid of the 65es8000 due to very noticeable banding of like 5 bars that would be seen faintly in any Solid background and really rear it's ugly head on any panning shots.
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So does anyone have a 65" that is free from DSE and/or banding or simply all 65 Sony's have uniformity issues?
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I have a 65 with no dead pixels, no DSE, and no banding. The PQ is simply superb.

Cheers,

Rick
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