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post #2401 of 4487
I am returning my panel today. I cannot live with the banding issues and viewing from off angles. When I went to test the replacement it had much worst banding then the one I have at home. I then testing on the 55inch and no banding at all.
post #2402 of 4487
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

If you have been following the Sharp Elite thread, then you would know that the last batch of the 70 elites have severe problems.... It's not just Sony but all manufacturers are putting out a half @$$ product.

What issues as of late? The IR sensor going out, dead pixels, pulsing backlight and on what size?
post #2403 of 4487
Wow, I just fell off the Elite thread after trying 6 70" units that had nasty green DSE that even my 4 year old can easily point out... Entire Nov2012 build is just bad, but I thought for 65 Sony there was a way to pre-screen, if I am to go through another lottery on Sony, I may just have to wait.
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

I am returning my panel today. I cannot live with the banding issues and viewing from off angles. When I went to test the replacement it had much worst banding then the one I have at home. I then testing on the 55inch and no banding at all.
post #2404 of 4487
Nasty green DSE all over the panel, that throws greyscale completely off...
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

What issues as of late? The IR sensor going out, dead pixels, pulsing backlight and on what size?
post #2405 of 4487
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

For a while now Samsung and LG are planning to launch 55'' 1080p OLEDs, 4K OLEDs were shown at the CES 2013 for the first time and were only prototypes
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/hdtv/eyes-on-sony-and-panasonics-56-inch-4k-ultra-hd-oled-tvs-1123767

Expectation is that majority of larger sized mass produced OLEDs (+ 50'') will be 1080p TVs.
this is a thread full of people that just spent thousands on a 950..now why in the hell would we spend thousands more on a oled set when we can just keep the 950 until we can get a 4k/oled in about 6/7 years for a lower price than what the oled set will be sold for now..do you really think oled will be that great that we should buy in a few years. who the hell has the money for that, after just buying a 950..
post #2406 of 4487
You got that right^
post #2407 of 4487
Just got No. 5 of the XBR65HX950 delivered. Banding is probably worse than the first 4. This one has a DEC '12 build date. Maybe No. 6 will finally be a winner...how they consciously push these out the doors is beyond me.
post #2408 of 4487
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Just got No. 5 of the XBR65HX950 delivered. Banding is probably worse than the first 4. This one has a DEC '12 build date. Maybe No. 6 will finally be a winner...how they consciously push these out the doors is beyond me.

wow your retailer must be awesome. if it's BB i sure couldn't do that locally at mine. maybe two swaps at most before i would be banned from ever entering the store.
post #2409 of 4487
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

wow your retailer must be awesome. if it's BB i sure couldn't do that locally at mine. maybe two swaps at most before i would be banned from ever entering the store.

Sony store. They haven't offered a refund so I'll keep exchanging until they bring one that doesn't have it or is very very minimal. Love the tv otherwise so I'm hoping they can deliver but I couldn't live with the banding at this price. When they put $5k on the tag they shouldn't push out defective sets especially at these alarming numbers.
post #2410 of 4487
Ditto. I keep reading that banding-free units in 65" exist, but I did see one, I checked 6 units in different stores and all of them do have banding, no exception. Looks like big lottery in order to get banding-free set for $5500. Somehow I find similiraties in banding patterns to Samsung 65 panels, are they the same?

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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Sony store. They haven't offered a refund so I'll keep exchanging until they bring one that doesn't have it or is very very minimal. Love the tv otherwise so I'm hoping they can deliver but I couldn't live with the banding at this price. When they put $5k on the tag they shouldn't push out defective sets especially at these alarming numbers.

Edited by dvzzz - 1/22/13 at 6:58pm
post #2411 of 4487
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Sony store. They haven't offered a refund so I'll keep exchanging until they bring one that doesn't have it or is very very minimal. Love the tv otherwise so I'm hoping they can deliver but I couldn't live with the banding at this price. When they put $5k on the tag they shouldn't push out defective sets especially at these alarming numbers.

Certain individuals may think they have a 65 inch panel with zero banding, but they don't. What they have is very minimal banding that is not visible during regular viewing. Many of these folks never test via static greyscale slides, hence don't ever see it. A highly skilled ISF tech who calibrated a friends plasma explained to me why all 65s band whether it be severe or extremely minimal and said he can show anyone who doesn't think they have banding that they do by putting up greyscale test patterns.

The 65hx950 I have has minimal banding. It's still there but i need to put up solid grey screens to detect it. I believe individuals who think they have a zero banding panel actually have minimal banding not noticeable unless you test for it. The Samsung ES8000 thread has some good info on what causes banding as it is part of the manufacturing process that causes this in regards to certain layers of film used to diffuse light can not be manufactured larger than for 60' sets, so they have to splice which causes the banding. If done sloppily, you get severe banding noticeable on all content. Done correctly, very minimal that many peopld would never detect.

People returning 65' sets thinking they will get a panel that displays zero banding even on greyscale tests will be very disappointed. Returning panels hoping for minimal banding not noticeable on regular viewing is more realistic.
post #2412 of 4487
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Certain individuals may think they have a 65 inch panel with zero banding, but they don't. What they have is very minimal banding that is not visible during regular viewing. Many of these folks never test via static greyscale slides, hence don't ever see it. A highly skilled ISF tech who calibrated a friends plasma explained to me why all 65s band whether it be severe or extremely minimal and said he can show anyone who doesn't think they have banding that they do by putting up greyscale test patterns.

The 65hx950 I have has minimal banding. It's still there but i need to put up solid grey screens to detect it. I believe individuals who think they have a zero banding panel actually have minimal banding not noticeable unless you test for it. The Samsung ES8000 thread has some good info on what causes banding as it is part of the manufacturing process that causes this in regards to certain layers of film used to diffuse light can not be manufactured larger than for 60' sets, so they have to splice which causes the banding. If done sloppily, you get severe banding noticeable on all content. Done correctly, very minimal that many peopld would never detect.

People returning 65' sets thinking they will get a panel that displays zero banding even on greyscale tests will be very disappointed. Returning panels hoping for minimal banding not noticeable on regular viewing is more realistic.

I hear ya. Trust me, if I had one with minimal banding I would definitely keep it. I don't believe one exists without it completely. The set I currently have has 5 very distinct vertical bars.

I just sat down and watched a dark movie on it for the first time and to my surprise this set has really bad clouding. The two on the right are clearly noticeable in bright scenes as well. Have a purplish hue to them. Included a pic. That's right off camera.
post #2413 of 4487
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

I have a 65 inch and I have banding. I have contacted BB and they stated they have one in store and I can stop by and check panel before delivery. Can someone recommend a good way to test for dead pixel and banding and anything else?

I do my personal test for HX950 banding here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_jB7XjGzg
post #2414 of 4487
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

I hear ya. Trust me, if I had one with minimal banding I would definitely keep it. I don't believe one exists without it completely. The set I currently have has 5 very distinct vertical bars.

I just sat down and watched a dark movie on it for the first time and to my surprise this set has really bad clouding. The two on the right are clearly noticeable in bright scenes as well. Have a purplish hue to them. Included a pic. That's right off camera.
do you have led on the standard setting..i have the same clouding but only when local dimming is off, which is only turned off while playing games.. i think most sets have this but only when led control is set off and why would anyone turn off local dimming..
post #2415 of 4487
This is not normal even with LD off.
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

I hear ya. Trust me, if I had one with minimal banding I would definitely keep it. I don't believe one exists without it completely. The set I currently have has 5 very distinct vertical bars.

I just sat down and watched a dark movie on it for the first time and to my surprise this set has really bad clouding. The two on the right are clearly noticeable in bright scenes as well. Have a purplish hue to them. Included a pic. That's right off camera.
post #2416 of 4487
I was just watching a hockey game and did notice some blotches on panning shots but very suddle ( no banding ).
Can we minimize this with a setting ?

I see that this defect is something that all sets have
post #2417 of 4487
I have the HX950 55" and GT50 60" both running side by side. Didn't bother with the VT..Not much better than the GT. The Gt and the Sony both have picture quality pros and cons, both have uniformity issues. i doubt anyone has zero issues. It's just the degree of issues. Be honest with ya, In the last 18 months of shopping the best TV's I have seen (Elite aside) are the LG8600 and LG9600 and some Vizio LEDs . Is everyone simply dismissing because it's "LG" and "Vizio"?

PS can anyone point me to some popular picture settings? Thanks
post #2418 of 4487
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Originally Posted by LoD80k View Post

I have the HX950 55" and GT50 60" both running side by side. Didn't bother with the VT..Not much better than the GT. The Gt and the Sony both have picture quality pros and cons, both have uniformity issues. i doubt anyone has zero issues. It's just the degree of issues. Be honest with ya, In the last 18 months of shopping the best TV's I have seen (Elite aside) are the LG8600 and LG9600 and some Vizio LEDs . Is everyone simply dismissing because it's "LG" and "Vizio"?

PS can anyone point me to some popular picture settings? Thanks

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435724/sony-xbr-hx950-settings-thread
post #2419 of 4487
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

do you have led on the standard setting..i have the same clouding but only when local dimming is off, which is only turned off while playing games.. i think most sets have this but only when led control is set off and why would anyone turn off local dimming..
It definitely reduces the clouding significantly but even an edge lit panel doesn't normally have this amount of clouding/light leakage
post #2420 of 4487
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Originally Posted by dvzzz View Post

This is not normal even with LD off.

Dear mbart11,

I cry foul; it looks like you have clouding on the TV's stand and the object it is sitting on. You see where I am going with this...eek.gif

Love,

CRITICALSHOT
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

Dear mbart11,

I cry foul; it looks like you have clouding on the TV's stand and the object it is sitting on. You see where I am going with this...eek.gif

Love,

CRITICALSHOT
The plastic is actually still wrapped around the stand. The first 2 sets were on the wall but you can imagine how much fun it was taking them down and putting them back up. Now It just comes right out of the box with the stand attached, sadly, only waiting to go right back in and off to a Sony Outlet Store...
post #2422 of 4487
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

I had the triple ball effect on my Samsung. They have some of the worst motion handling. The Sony doesn't seem to do it, at least not that I have seen and it's usually pretty apparent.

Gents, turn the motion trickery off, or in the case of both the Sony and the Samsung panels, set it to Clear. Either setting will eliminate the so called 'triple ball' effect.....
post #2423 of 4487
I just bought a 55HX950 off of Amazon Warehouse Deals for a bit over $2600 dollars. I was planning on picking up a 55HX850 but the retail price of this the 850 and warehouse deals of the 950 was just few hundred more. I've been reading about all these people with banding, clouding, DSE issues on avs but really, how bad is it when watching stuff regularly? Are the effects of these issues much more exaggerated because of the nature of the forums and since most people here are picky videophiles who would cycle their TV's for dead pixels and color blemishes the moment they get their TV? (not meant in a bad way)

I figured if its really bad, I could always return the TV for free so it never hurts to give it a try.
Thoughts?
post #2424 of 4487
ok, is it just me or does it look like too many people are returning these sets before they even use settings that would fix most of these problems...
post #2425 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Stanri010 View Post

I just bought a 55HX950 off of Amazon Warehouse Deals for a bit over $2600 dollars. I was planning on picking up a 55HX850 but the retail price of this the 850 and warehouse deals of the 950 was just few hundred more. I've been reading about all these people with banding, clouding, DSE issues on avs but really, how bad is it when watching stuff regularly? Are the effects of these issues much more exaggerated because of the nature of the forums and since most people here are picky videophiles who would cycle their TV's for dead pixels and color blemishes the moment they get their TV? (not meant in a bad way)

I figured if its really bad, I could always return the TV for free so it never hurts to give it a try.
Thoughts?

Hi,

I think you made a wise decision!! People returning tv's over one dead pexel and slight blemish that can be resolved by calibration are funny to me. For the most part there is no PERFECT TV that comes out with no issues what so ever. It's just the degree of issues that you are willing to acccept that will determine if you keep or retun your TV.

Mbart11, Do don't be shocked or surpised if the Sony store does not let you exchange anymore. I can assure you that they now have a file/case on you. The Sony store here in Miami would have banned you from exchaning tv's after your 3rd return. Be careful!!!
post #2426 of 4487
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

ok, is it just me or does it look like too many people are returning these sets before they even use settings that would fix most of these problems...

Trust me! It's not you!!! I think the majority of people that have followed this thread all think that.LOL!!
post #2427 of 4487
I picked my 55 HX950 last weekend and yes there are issues with my tv with blemish and clouding but with calibration settings I can live with it.
post #2428 of 4487
Are there less banding problems with the 55" model? I’m getting close to ordering one from Amazon, and I just hope the one I get has a lot less DSE than my Pioneer. My current set makes hockey unwatchable.
post #2429 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Dave A. View Post

Are there less banding problems with the 55" model? I’m getting close to ordering one from Amazon, and I just hope the one I get has a lot less DSE than my Pioneer. My current set makes hockey unwatchable.

The banding issues are mostly confined to the 65" models
post #2430 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Dave A. View Post

Are there less banding problems with the 55" model? I’m getting close to ordering one from Amazon, and I just hope the one I get has a lot less DSE than my Pioneer. My current set makes hockey unwatchable.

According to some posts in the Samsung ES 8000 thread, banding is more of an issue with 65 inch panels as there are no manufacturers that produce one of the sheets of film that they use to diffuse light in LED panels larger than 60 inches. Therefore, this film needs to be spliced for 65 inch sets, which if done poorly results in very noticeable vertical banding.

That doesn't mean you won't ever see banding on something smaller, but it is less common and more of a sign of an actual defect than limitations of the technology.... ie.... finding a 65 panel with zero banding is unlikely, whereas finding a 55 inch with zero banding is very likely.
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