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post #31 of 4490
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Is there a link you can provide that states the number of zones in the 929 and the zones in the 950, or that says it's double?
I heard there are more zones, but double?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/sony-bravia-hx950-hands-on/
post #32 of 4490
Koffas, how does the hx950 compare to your D7000 plasma overall?

@topic
Hx929 had 96 zones, 950 has 196 so more than double
Edited by avmaxfan - 9/20/12 at 11:50pm
post #33 of 4490
Great to see that these are on the market, congrats to owners. Still strange that there is no "pro" review of the HX95x out usually there a lot of reviews before people get the TV delivered. Can any of the owners confirm that there is no crease effect in this set?

I am seriously considering the 65'' set though the pre order price is still quite high here in Finland 5500 € (6700 $).
post #34 of 4490
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Is there a link you can provide that states the number of zones in the 929 and the zones in the 950, or that says it's double?
I heard there are more zones, but double?

I said almost double. I read somewhere in passing, it may have even been on the 929 thread, that there was 108 zones on the 55hx929 compared to 196 on the hx950. That could be wrong, it's just what I read somewhere. I mainly still would like to know if there is a discernible difference between the 2 when it comes to blooming.

Edited: 96 zones on the 929, not 108. Thanks for clarifying.
post #35 of 4490
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Originally Posted by isupes 

I said almost double. I read somewhere in passing, it may have even been on the 929 thread, that there was 108 zones on the 55hx929 compared to 196 on the hx950. That could be wrong, it's just what I read somewhere. I mainly still would like to know if there is a discernible difference between the 2 when it comes to blooming.

Edited: 96 zones on the 929, not 108. Thanks for clarifying.

The 55HX929 has 105 zones, the 46HX929 has 96 zones. The 55HX950 or the 65HX950 has 196 zones.
post #36 of 4490
any owners have any hands on experience with an HX950 compared to a HX929 or a Sharp Elite?...so far it seems like the HX950 is an exact copy of the 929 with double the local dimming zones...same strengths and weaknesses
post #37 of 4490
How many zones does the 929 vs 950 have, model specific.
A simple question that does not have a concrete answer it seems.
I've asked for a link that states clearly what the zones were for which model, but have yet to find one.

Guys are saying I've read on another forum, or somewhere else on this forum, or go to this link that provides the zones for a 929 or 950, but the article does not clearly say it's for which model.
Here's a quick break down of what I just read here.

avmaxfan
hx929 96 zones...what size, 46,55,65?
hx950 196 zones...what size, 55 or 65?

isupes
55hx929 96 zones
hx950 196 zones...what size, 55 or 65?

8miles13
46hx929 96 zones
55hx929 105 zones (no 65hx929 zone information?)
55hx950 or 65hx95 196 zones

titustroy
hx950 double the zones of 929...what sizes?

How confusing.
That's why I asked for a link to some place that clearly states what zones are for which model. Current information about the zones of the 950 seem to apply to the 55 being it's out now. We seem to be guessing what the 65hx950 zones are, unless someone can provide a link that clearly states that model with the zones.
There hasn't been that much of an overhaul of the 929, and I'd like to know what improvements were made. Mapbits, zones and an improvement to 3d is what I'm guessing....guessing.
The how many more zones for each model, can't seem to get people to agree on what that is. A lot of misinformation being written.
Edited by bekindrewind - 9/21/12 at 8:20am
post #38 of 4490
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

How many zones does the 929 vs 950 have, model specific.
A simple question that does not have a concrete answer it seems.
I've asked for a link that states clearly what the zones were for which model, but have yet to find one.
Guys are saying I've read on another forum, or somewhere else on this forum, or go to this link that provides the zones for a 929 or 950, but the article does not clearly say it's for which model

manufacturer's do not like releasing information on the total number of local dimming zones for their product...they like to keep that secret...so it's up to people to find out that info from other sources which is why there are varying statements and not 1 definitive answer...that being said the Engadget article linked a few posts back states 196 zones...doesn't say for which size but one can make a reasonable guess
post #39 of 4490
Sorry I made a mistake. 46 HX92 has 96 zones, 55 HX92 has 105 zones.

As for HX95, it's not confirmed yet whether its the 55 inch or 65 inch that has 196 zones. In any case, that's almost double the dimming zones on the HX95
post #40 of 4490
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

manufacturer's do not like releasing information on the total number of local dimming zones for their product...they like to keep that secret...so it's up to people to find out that info from other sources which is why there are varying statements and not 1 definitive answer...that being said the Engadget article linked a few posts back states 196 zones...doesn't say for which size but one can make a reasonable guess

That's my point exactly.
A reasonable guess, misinformation is being posted, about how many zones each model has.
Zone numbers are being thrown out with out reference to models and information to back it up. It now has about double the zones! Till I see hard proof I'm not buying.
Once the real zone count is known, it may be only 1/4, 1/3 more zones. So easy for people to throw out, it's now double the zones...woo hoo.
post #41 of 4490
The number of 46HX929/55HX929 dimming zones can be found in the official XXHX929 owner thread. Search for it in the thread or post over there, they might even tell you the number of dimming zones in the 65HX929 smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1318875/official-sony-hx929-owners-thread-46hx929-55hx929-65hx929-no-price-talk


My guess is that the 65HX950 has 196 dimming zones, that would not be twice as much dimming zones as the 65HX929 (has close to 115 dimming zones). btw the Philips 46PFL9706/9707 have 240 dimming zones wink.gif
post #42 of 4490
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Originally Posted by avmaxfan View Post

Sorry I made a mistake. 46 HX92 has 96 zones, 55 HX92 has 105 zones.
As for HX95, it's not confirmed yet whether its the 55 inch or 65 inch that has 196 zones. In any case, that's almost double the dimming zones on the HX95

Here we are assuming again, almost double the zones.
What if the 55hx929 has 105 zones...
What if the zone number of 196 is really for the 65hx950...not the 55hx950.
We will assume the zone number for the 55hx590 is lower then.
So....the hx929 vs the hx950 would not have almost double the zones.

Like some say, companies don't want to give out the zones, so it would be in favor of them to throw out the largest zone number, which might be for the 65 and let you think it's for the 55. Someone show me proof that the 55xh950 has 196 zones and not something that says the xh950 model has 196 zones....which xh950 model?
Edited by bekindrewind - 9/21/12 at 8:55am
post #43 of 4490
Sorry for causing any confusion. My comment earlier was referenceing the 55 inchers. I am looking to buy a 65 inch, though. Like I said, I could be wrong. Honestly, I don't care how many more zones it has. I just want to know if the blooming has improved markedly. I, as are others probably, is trying to cope with paying 5k+ for a TV. I want to know that it is significantly improved over the 929, otherwise I will just wait to see what next years models bring. Being the impatient person I am, I really don't want to wait, so I'm hoping 950 proves to be a champ.
Edited by isupes - 9/21/12 at 8:57am
post #44 of 4490
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

The number of 46HX929/55HX929 dimming zones can be found in the official XXHX929 owner thread. Search for it in the thread or post over there, they might even tell you the number of dimming zones in the 65HX929 smile.gif
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1318875/official-sony-hx929-owners-thread-46hx929-55hx929-65hx929-no-price-talk
My guess is that the 65HX950 has 196 dimming zones, that would not be twice as much dimming zones as the 65HX929 (has close to 115 dimming zones). btw the Philips 46PFL9706/9707 have 240 dimming zones wink.gif


Thank you 8mile13.
The 65hx950 most like will not have double the zones, just as the 55hx950 most likely will not have double the zones of the 55xh929.
Guys, I'm just sorting thru the misinformation...double the zones, thing.
Like the rest of us, I'm very interested in the Sony, the 65xh950 and want to know the improvements over the previous model. If it has double the zones, I'm as happy as the rest of us. But if it doesn't then stop throwing out misinformation that may lead people to think it's that much of an improvement.
post #45 of 4490
105 zones for the 55" HX92? My 55" XBR8 has 112. 4 years later with the HX95 there will be a 55" Sony with more zones! eek.gifsmile.gif
post #46 of 4490
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Originally Posted by isupes View Post

Sorry for causing any confusion. My comment earlier was referenceing the 55 inchers. I am looking to buy a 65 inch, though. Like I said, I could be wrong. Honestly, I don't care how many more zones it has. I just want to know if the blooming has improved markedly. I, as are others probably, is trying to cope with paying 5k+ for a TV. I want to know that it is significantly improved over the 929, otherwise I will just wait to see what next years models bring. Being the impatient person I am, I really don't want to way, so I'm hoping 950 proves to be a champ.

An important part of the number of zones is related to the blooming. More zones, less blooming. So people throwing out it's almost double the zones, would improve it a lot. But, if it's no where near double, then let's find out what percentage it is. Zones affect more than blooming as I said, so it's all good, the more zones, the better the picture.
post #47 of 4490
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Originally Posted by isupes View Post

Sorry for causing any confusion. My comment earlier was referenceing the 55 inchers. I am looking to buy a 65 inch, though. Like I said, I could be wrong. Honestly, I don't care how many more zones it has. I just want to know if the blooming has improved markedly. I, as are others probably, is trying to cope with paying 5k+ for a TV. I want to know that it is significantly improved over the 929, otherwise I will just wait to see what next years models bring. Being the impatient person I am, I really don't want to wait, so I'm hoping 950 proves to be a champ.

" significantly improved over the 929"

doubtful, but one can hope.
post #48 of 4490
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

I can definitely see a difference in the number of backlighting zones when using it as a PC monitor. Move the mouse cursor around on an all black background with the backlight on max, you can see the smaller zones lighting up.

gorthocar was so close. If he just had counted them. wink.gif
Move the cursor along the upper edge of the screen and count the zones, then move the cursor along the left edge and count the zones. Then multiply the numbers. Done. smile.gif
post #49 of 4490
Yeah, I'l take mine apart when it comes in and let you know. rolleyes.gif Sony will not publish official values to reviewers so with this question all you're going to get is water-cooler, off-the record, back alley values.

And honestly, it's not even that constructive of a comparison. While it's probably safe to say there are more zones, that doesn't equate 1:1 with improved performance. Implementation is also very important and will depend on arrangement, size, brightness,, output, dithering, # steps, etc. wink.gif


Now, my TV was ordered less than a day after Koffas and just today they updated the tracking manifest consignee location to Newport Beach. This thing is only coming from LA LA Land so how is it that mine is taking so long... Grr mad.gif
Edited by jmjunker - 9/21/12 at 11:46am
post #50 of 4490
Guys don't read too much into local dimming zones. The Vizio local dimming set I owned had more zones than my HX929 but the Sony clearly has a better local dimming picture.
post #51 of 4490
Thread Starter 
On my 55HX950, I counted 15 x 7 zones = 105; same as the 55HX929.
post #52 of 4490
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

On my 55HX950, I counted 15 x 7 zones = 105; same as the 55HX929.

Interesting... Let's see about the 65 when it comes out... confused.gif

P.S.: Ceva called and mine is coming in tomorrow. So, total shipping time was about 5 days for me.
post #53 of 4490
Forgetting about dimming zones for the moment, I have three VERY PRESSING QUESTIONS as I have 65HX950 on pre-order:

1) The first pic shows the TV slanted back badly. A lot of online pics also show it tilted back with a stand on. CAN THE STAND BE ADJUSTED SO THE TV IS PERFECTLY VERTICAL? i.e. like a "normal" HDTV?

2) IS THE 3D IMPROVED??! Everyone said this was the weakest aspect of the HX929 with the 3D going totally out of whack if you so much as tilted your head a bit.

3) Is the PQ better than the top of the line mainstream Samsung ES8000? i.e. the only other top tier TV in this price range. I'd especially like to know if MOTIONFLOW 960 results in a smoother image with less artifacts than CMR 960 / AMP. Judder reduction via frame interpolation is extremely important to me, and is the primary reason I returned my 2012 64" Samsung plasma. I have a lot of 30FPS limited video games.

Let's focus on the important things people, not if the TV has 10% more or less zones that the previous discontinued model for crying out loud.

Thanks for all answers....
Edited by Flavius - 9/21/12 at 1:28pm
post #54 of 4490
Thread Starter 
Haven't tested 3D (no glasses), but the panel can sit perfectly upright or be tilted back by 6 degrees.
post #55 of 4490
How does the set compare to XBR5? Is it better?
post #56 of 4490
None on display yet but a local store in KC (Nebraska Furniture Mart) has the HX950 in stock for $2999.00. Was going to pull the trigger on one but wanted to wait for a pro review or at the very least see it displayed.
post #57 of 4490
there has to be some improvements versus the HX929 otherwise I don't see the point in releasing a duplicate with a new name
post #58 of 4490
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

On my 55HX950, I counted 15 x 7 zones = 105; same as the 55HX929.

Hmm...maybe the other 90 +/- zones are "software" dimming zones
post #59 of 4490
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

there has to be some improvements versus the HX929 otherwise I don't see the point in releasing a duplicate with a new name

tell that to Samsung..
post #60 of 4490
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Forgetting about dimming zones for the moment, I have three VERY PRESSING QUESTIONS as I have 65HX950 on pre-order:
1) The first pic shows the TV slanted back badly. A lot of online pics also show it tilted back with a stand on. CAN THE STAND BE ADJUSTED SO THE TV IS PERFECTLY VERTICAL? i.e. like a "normal" HDTV?
2) IS THE 3D IMPROVED??! Everyone said this was the weakest aspect of the HX929 with the 3D going totally out of whack if you so much as tilted your head a bit.
3) Is the PQ better than the top of the line mainstream Samsung ES8000? i.e. the only other top tier TV in this price range. I'd especially like to know if MOTIONFLOW 960 results in a smoother image with less artifacts than CMR 960 / AMP. Judder reduction via frame interpolation is extremely important to me, and is the primary reason I returned my 2012 64" Samsung plasma. I have a lot of 30FPS limited video games.
Let's focus on the important things people, not if the TV has 10% more or less zones that the previous discontinued model for crying out loud.
Thanks for all answers....

1) If the tv tilts on a stand is more important than the number of zones? Talk about crying out loud.

PQ is dependent on number of zone when you get to the top of the line sets. That's why the 950 is better than the 850. 850 is not full array, local dimming (no zones) The Elite has more zones than XBR, so if sony is upping the zones, it levels out the field, in that department. Of course there are many other things going on in the processing that make the pq what it is, from one model to another and one company vs another.

All Samsungs are edge lit. People who are interested in full array, local dimming feel edge lit does produce the same pq.

Reason I am interested in zones, in case you have not read my previous posts is to stop all the guessing and misinformation about how much of an improvement sony has made for this model...for crying out loud frown.gif
Edited by bekindrewind - 9/21/12 at 2:47pm
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