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post #3001 of 3680
3/19/13 at 2:11pm
Even after filing a BBB complaint on Sony Warranty, I get some chick in the Philippines calling me back prepared for the same song and dance as last time that put me in a 4 1/2 hour phone conversation loop to nowhere on 3 out of 6 brand new titanium 3D glasses I just purchased. Got to hand it to Sony, their service is a benchmark for some of the worst. They don't even care about public opinions anymore it would seem. Foreign customer service always is the worst.
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post #3002 of 3680
3/19/13 at 5:26pm
The biggest issue, banding I have not found yet! Fingers crossed! You can bet that I am looking for it. The black level is the best I have seen anywhere and I have not found any clouding, just plain solid black. As for 3d I do like and se but I am waiting n the glasses and will put in Avatar 3d when they arrive and will let you know. I have not played with any settings as of yet and am watching out the box, I am truly amazed at the out of box quality, but then again for this price, it should also cook for you!
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post #3003 of 3680
3/19/13 at 8:10pm
I've had my set since last Thursday. Picture is outstanding, no doubt. Love the black levels and colors. Very clean and clear image quality. A couple of things, though.

As for Vertical Banding/DSE, it's most noticeable during hockey games. I'm not sure what is considered good or bad, though. Turning the backlight and picture up to max seems to hide it pretty well.

I noticed some flashlighting when I open up the home menu and through the Sony Entertainment Network. Only on the top right and bottom right corners. At no other time do I see it. Not sure what the deal is there.
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post #3004 of 3680
3/20/13 at 10:05am
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I've had my set since last Thursday. Picture is outstanding, no doubt. Love the black levels and colors. Very clean and clear image quality. A couple of things, though.

As for Vertical Banding/DSE, it's most noticeable during hockey games. I'm not sure what is considered good or bad, though. Turning the backlight and picture up to max seems to hide it pretty well.

I noticed some flashlighting when I open up the home menu and through the Sony Entertainment Network. Only on the top right and bottom right corners. At no other time do I see it. Not sure what the deal is there.

Hey buddy ... you are mentioning exactly what i am experiencing , join the club smile.gif

cmay91472 can help put you at ease , just pm him with a screenshot of your input screen and he can determine if you have abnormal banding and dse.
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post #3005 of 3680
3/20/13 at 11:41am
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Hey buddy ... you are mentioning exactly what i am experiencing , join the club smile.gif

cmay91472 can help put you at ease , just pm him with a screenshot of your input screen and he can determine if you have abnormal banding and dse.

Also keep in mind.... the most important factor is one's own tolerance level to the banding. Even if one has a TV with minimal banding.... it still may drive some crazy while others learn to accept that it's part of the territory when dealing with LED.

But jrmtl is right, you can post or send me a pic of the "no input" home screen and I will let you know if it is something that is abnormal. For instance.... to put in perspective banding on an HX950 compared to ES8000.... I've never seen ANY HX950 even remotely close to these pics.

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Also... remember...... lighting conditions will also play a factor. Taking a photo with ambient light by the TV will greatly reduce the banding in a picture, where as taking the same photo in a completely dark room will magnify the banding. Majority of all banding I notice with blurays and sports occur when watching in a dark room at night, where as the exact same scene from a movie during the day is much less pronounced if noticeable at all.
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post #3006 of 3680
3/20/13 at 12:41pm
Wow, those pix are brutal!
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post #3007 of 3680
3/20/13 at 1:08pm
Yeah, my 55HX950 is nowhere near that extreme eek.gif

I'll try and get a picture this evening.
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post #3008 of 3680
3/20/13 at 1:10pm
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Wow, those pix are brutal!

Ken, hence my skepticism over whether the F8000 will resolve the above ES8000s banding issues. The banding was so atrocious, even getting banding down to the level of an HX950 would be considered a monumental achievement for Samsung considering the banding was also like this on the 65D8000 as well. Obviously as you mentioned before, we will have to wait and see but I honestly don't think the 65F8000 will match the early glowing reviews of the 55F8000 due to the 65F8000 most likely using Samsungs own s-pva panel in it.
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post #3009 of 3680
3/20/13 at 1:36pm
Those banding pis on the ES8000 are exactly why I went through 6 tVs and 2 panel changes! Now I have moved to the HX950 and strain to find any banding! Also had flash lighting so bad I showed during viewing and not just on the blank screens. I could not believe that Samsung would even sell products like that as high end sets! Just imagine how many consumers have defective units and do not even know it!
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post #3010 of 3680
3/20/13 at 2:13pm
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Wow, those pix are brutal!

Scary, actually
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post #3011 of 3680
3/20/13 at 2:14pm
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Wow, those pix are brutal!

welcome to the samsung 65 inch panel biggrin.gif. The grey one looks a lot like mine did on that screen.

the HX950 is the tv I would have bought if I got a bad VT50 my first time around.
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post #3012 of 3680
3/20/13 at 2:24pm
Just placed my order for the 55 XBR HX950. Won't be delivered until Saturday, the 27th though.
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post #3013 of 3680
3/20/13 at 5:36pm
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Just placed my order for the 55 XBR HX950. Won't be delivered until Saturday, the 27th though.
Oh Boy your in for a treat. Really am enjoying my 55"
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post #3014 of 3680
3/20/13 at 8:08pm
Just got done watchin' my favorite eye-candy Bluray The Fifth Element (remastered) between the 929 and the darbee all I can say is WOW !
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post #3015 of 3680
3/20/13 at 10:15pm
Today I received my 3D glasses and also tinkered with some of the calibrations from another forum. All I can say is WOW! The depth of the 3d is awesome. There is some flutter in some of the content, but there is some tinkering with the settings that can help those issues. Eventually I am going to have it ISF calibrated and then hopefully just sit back and enjoy! After many ES8000s that were supposed to be the top of the line, they do not come close to my HX950! Even the 3d glasses are much better, however the Sammy's were FREE, more comfortable, less flutter, and less light bleed from the sides. I will give the Sammy comps on all of the bells and whistles vs the Sony, but I never once used voice or gesture control. I use my TV for watching, I have an iPhone, iPad, desktop computer, and top of the line Panasonic 3d blue ray player with the bells and whistles. Now that I do not have to fight to get a quality picture, hopefully no issues will turn up, I can tune in my entertainment system. In addition to this TV, I have an Onkyo TX-NR818 AV receiver with an awesome Video chip that convets all sources to 1080p and 24p. It also has video controls that after the set is done you can adjust brightness, contrast, hue, and saturation. Couple this with 10.2 speaker set up that utilizes 2 subwoofers I am ready for show time! The only NEGATIVE is the price! Even though I was able to get BB to match Internet prices it was still $800 more than the Sammy! Oh well, guess I just have to suck it up and enjoy!
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post #3016 of 3680
3/21/13 at 6:17am
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Today I received my 3D glasses and also tinkered with some of the calibrations from another forum. All I can say is WOW! The depth of the 3d is awesome. There is some flutter in some of the content, but there is some tinkering with the settings that can help those issues. Eventually I am going to have it ISF calibrated and then hopefully just sit back and enjoy! After many ES8000s that were supposed to be the top of the line, they do not come close to my HX950! Even the 3d glasses are much better, however the Sammy's were FREE, more comfortable, less flutter, and less light bleed from the sides. I will give the Sammy comps on all of the bells and whistles vs the Sony, but I never once used voice or gesture control. I use my TV for watching, I have an iPhone, iPad, desktop computer, and top of the line Panasonic 3d blue ray player with the bells and whistles. Now that I do not have to fight to get a quality picture, hopefully no issues will turn up, I can tune in my entertainment system. In addition to this TV, I have an Onkyo TX-NR818 AV receiver with an awesome Video chip that convets all sources to 1080p and 24p. It also has video controls that after the set is done you can adjust brightness, contrast, hue, and saturation. Couple this with 10.2 speaker set up that utilizes 2 subwoofers I am ready for show time! The only NEGATIVE is the price! Even though I was able to get BB to match Internet prices it was still $800 more than the Sammy! Oh well, guess I just have to suck it up and enjoy!

Did you get the 55 or 65?
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post #3017 of 3680
3/21/13 at 6:25am
Went all out with the 65"! I cannot believe that Sony can just sit by and lose the business it could have by staying pat on their line ups. If you want a top of the line XBR your choice is 55-65 no 60! The 60" market that is on of the most popular Sony's best is a 60" EX that is so far down the line in quality! So if you wanted a quality Sony larger than 55" you are forced to buy the 65" or in most cases go elsewhere! Look at the price range 60" EX around $1900 the next step is the 65"XBR at $5999! Look how much of the market they do not have a player in! Cannot imagine the thought process in not being active in the biggest area of TV sales.
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post #3018 of 3680
3/21/13 at 6:28am
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Went all out with the 65"! I cannot believe that Sony can just sit by and lose the business it could have by staying pat on their line ups. If you want a top of the line XBR your choice is 55-65 no 60! The 60" market that is on of the most popular Sony's best is a 60" EX that is so far down the line in quality! So if you wanted a quality Sony larger than 55" you are forced to buy the 65" or in most cases go elsewhere! Look at the price range 60" EX around $1900 the next step is the 65"XBR at $5999! Look how much of the market they do not have a player in! Cannot imagine the thought process in not being active in the biggest area of TV sales.

That's the reason they cutoff the 46" models, too expensive to produce multiple sizes so they stuck to 55 & 65 or the 4K line 80" mdl.
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post #3019 of 3680
3/21/13 at 6:53am
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Hey buddy ... you are mentioning exactly what i am experiencing , join the club smile.gif

cmay91472 can help put you at ease , just pm him with a screenshot of your input screen and he can determine if you have abnormal banding and dse.

Also keep in mind.... the most important factor is one's own tolerance level to the banding. Even if one has a TV with minimal banding.... it still may drive some crazy while others learn to accept that it's part of the territory when dealing with LED.

But jrmtl is right, you can post or send me a pic of the "no input" home screen and I will let you know if it is something that is abnormal. For instance.... to put in perspective banding on an HX950 compared to ES8000.... I've never seen ANY HX950 even remotely close to these pics.

LL

LL

LL

Also... remember...... lighting conditions will also play a factor. Taking a photo with ambient light by the TV will greatly reduce the banding in a picture, where as taking the same photo in a completely dark room will magnify the banding. Majority of all banding I notice with blurays and sports occur when watching in a dark room at night, where as the exact same scene from a movie during the day is much less pronounced if noticeable at all.


Wow! As one already said those pix are brutal. Thank god I dont have that issue and trust me I have looked for it.
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post #3020 of 3680
3/21/13 at 7:12am
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Went all out with the 65"! I cannot believe that Sony can just sit by and lose the business it could have by staying pat on their line ups. If you want a top of the line XBR your choice is 55-65 no 60! The 60" market that is on of the most popular Sony's best is a 60" EX that is so far down the line in quality! So if you wanted a quality Sony larger than 55" you are forced to buy the 65" or in most cases go elsewhere! Look at the price range 60" EX around $1900 the next step is the 65"XBR at $5999! Look how much of the market they do not have a player in! Cannot imagine the thought process in not being active in the biggest area of TV sales.


Bigger isnt always better when it comes to tv's jake. It seems the bigger the tv the more chances you have into running into screen uniformity issues ect. Sony's thought process's in not being active in alot of things when it comes to electronics comes into question in my book. I am a big Sony supporter but lately I ask myself......."What are they thinking?"
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post #3021 of 3680
3/21/13 at 7:21am
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Today I received my 3D glasses and also tinkered with some of the calibrations from another forum.

Which glasses did you get?
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post #3022 of 3680
3/21/13 at 8:06am
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Went all out with the 65"! I cannot believe that Sony can just sit by and lose the business it could have by staying pat on their line ups. If you want a top of the line XBR your choice is 55-65 no 60! The 60" market that is on of the most popular Sony's best is a 60" EX that is so far down the line in quality! So if you wanted a quality Sony larger than 55" you are forced to buy the 65" or in most cases go elsewhere! Look at the price range 60" EX around $1900 the next step is the 65"XBR at $5999! Look how much of the market they do not have a player in! Cannot imagine the thought process in not being active in the biggest area of TV sales.

Ditto! Trying to decide if it is time to upgrade my Sony XBR4 46 and 60" size sounds about right. Researching Panasonic plasma 60" which has a great picture! Unfortunately, I saw image retention on multiple sets while viewing at Magnolia, which gives pause when deciding to buy plasma. Have always like the picture of my XBR, and now working to decide if I want to stay in the Sony XBR family, but with a 55" as the 65" is kind of pricey.
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post #3023 of 3680
3/21/13 at 8:12am
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I think your post belongs in the plasma forum, but let me say this: I agree with everything you say about the E7000 plasma except motion handling. Motion handling is TERRIBLE. Judder everywhere, no motion interpolation tech at all unlike the Pannys, and the CineSmooth feature is WORTHLESS, does not help judder at all. The plasma motion handling thing is a myth. It is only better at BLUR elimination. But judder? Plasma doesn't do squat all to eliminate judder and needs to rely on the same type of techs that LCDs use to help with judder, except the E7000 completely stripped them out. I couldn't return my E7000 fast enough. After that experience and my experience comparing the ES8000 to the HX950, I am NEVER buying a Samsung product again. I'd buy an LG OLED before a Samsung one, too.
Aha, makes sense for 30fps @ 60Hz and whenever you have varying framerates.

However, if you have any steady 60fps@60Hz games, you have no judder for those specific games.
So, in the specific situation of fps=Hz, you may prefer to minimize input lag while keeping the smooth-motion effect.
Have you ever tested "Motionflow Impulse Mode" with your 60fps @ 60Hz games, on your HX950 because that one does not use interpolation? It flickers more (especially in a bright room), but it has less input lag and zero motion interpolation artifact. The Impulse Mode is a scanning-backlight-only mode that I've found works better with computers & 60fps@60Hz games. Zero judder, zero blur, zero interpolation, and less input lag than interpolation. Just a little bit of CRT-style flicker, unless you hate that more than interpolation.
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3/21/13 at 1:02pm
Bplewis I purchased the b250 and they are fine. I read a post where someone stated that the PS3 glasses were better for regular 3d but I did not like the design. As for bigger is not always better I cannot agree more, just like the smaller sets limited to 720p because you cannot tell the difference until you expand those megapixels and it gets grainy! However if you pay a premium for a larger set you should still get quality! And you are right with Sony as big a fan as I was I was disappointed that they would not enter the biggest growing segment of TV sales and for Ed me elsewhere!
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3/21/13 at 1:18pm
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Bplewis I purchased the b250 and they are fine. I read a post where someone stated that the PS3 glasses were better for regular 3d but I did not like the design. As for bigger is not always better I cannot agree more, just like the smaller sets limited to 720p because you cannot tell the difference until you expand those megapixels and it gets grainy! However if you pay a premium for a larger set you should still get quality! And you are right with Sony as big a fan as I was I was disappointed that they would not enter the biggest growing segment of TV sales and for Ed me elsewhere!

The reason the PS3 glasses are better is because they already have the polarizing filters built in. The 250s you will need to call Sony and have you ship the filter clip ons for those. 750s have filters available as well. Benefit of the filters is that it eliminates picture degradation when slightly moving your head as well as reducing crosstalk when using with the HX950s.

So if the PS3s are too bulky for you, then make sure you get the filters and the 3D will be even better than you have now.
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3/21/13 at 1:38pm
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The reason the PS3 glasses are better is because they already have the polarizing filters built in. The 250s you will need to call Sony and have you ship the filter clip ons for those. 750s have filters available as well. Benefit of the filters is that it eliminates picture degradation when slightly moving your head as well as reducing crosstalk when using with the HX950s.

So if the PS3s are too bulky for you, then make sure you get the filters and the 3D will be even better than you have now.

I'm probably going to get one pair of the 750s and a couple pairs of the PS3 glasses.
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post #3027 of 3680
3/21/13 at 1:39pm
Just took delivery of my 65 xbr950 last week. TV is great. Incredible picture, minimal banding if any, and no visible clouding or anything on regular settings. However, when I'm in game mode, and there is a black screen, I'm seeing some pretty serious clouding/flashlighting. When I switch back to standard and my normal settings, it is completely gone, so it must be something that is turned off via game mode, but just wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience? It's not really noticeable when playing games and I actually really like game mode since lag is good and the graphic degradation isn't nearly as discernible as it is on my 55 d8000. Just wanted to make sure something isn't wrong with my TV. Could attach pics if that would help.
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post #3028 of 3680
3/21/13 at 5:37pm
I still love mine.

People are still impressed by this TV. Every time I doubt myself someone comes over and exclaims how surprisingly great it is.
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3/21/13 at 6:50pm
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Just took delivery of my 65 xbr950 last week. TV is great. Incredible picture, minimal banding if any, and no visible clouding or anything on regular settings. However, when I'm in game mode, and there is a black screen, I'm seeing some pretty serious clouding/flashlighting. When I switch back to standard and my normal settings, it is completely gone, so it must be something that is turned off via game mode, but just wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience? It's not really noticeable when playing games and I actually really like game mode since lag is good and the graphic degradation isn't nearly as discernible as it is on my 55 d8000. Just wanted to make sure something isn't wrong with my TV. Could attach pics if that would help.

LED Dynamic Control is off by default in game mode.

Go picture settings - advanced - LED Dynamic Control Standard.

Surprised your Full LED backlit set has clouding. Care to explain Cmay?
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3/21/13 at 6:50pm
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I still love mine.

People are still impressed by this TV. Every time I doubt myself someone comes over and exclaims how surprisingly great it is.

I have people who see it and want to know "what kind of TV is that" when I tell them and explain, they respond with 'they've never seen any TV that looks that good', which is a fact that I'm already well aware of. I love my TV.
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