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post #3331 of 4484
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Originally Posted by hatedgreatness View Post

this is with dynamic led control set to standard but of course picture isn't completely accurate to what's really on the screen

That's above and beyond bad. Glad you have another coming and thanks for posting. Another great Sony quality experience. If the replacement isn't better, Sony might tell you to "Make Believe" it isn't there.

Let us know how the new one is.
post #3332 of 4484
Are these replacements someone else rejected TV that Sony couldn't find an issue with that the first owner found.
post #3333 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Are these replacements someone else rejected TV that Sony couldn't find an issue with that the first owner found.

They are refurbished, so I wouldn't put it past them.
post #3334 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Are these replacements someone else rejected TV that Sony couldn't find an issue with that the first owner found.
I would imagine Sony techs looked the FP over and hopefully corrected the problem...unless they just keep bouncing the same bad units to customers and piss them off so they purchase another Brand. Doesn't make much sense, does It?
post #3335 of 4484
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Originally Posted by hatedgreatness View Post

I'll post a pic with local dimming on tonight
I looked throughout the menu and cannot find where you turn on the local dimming. Where is this adjustment made?
post #3336 of 4484
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Originally Posted by jake608 View Post

I looked throughout the menu and cannot find where you turn on the local dimming. Where is this adjustment made?
its called led dynamic control under picture adjustment setting and under advancrd settings I think lol
post #3337 of 4484
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post #3338 of 4484
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Originally Posted by hatedgreatness View Post

I just got my new tv in for my replacement tv but it has the worst dse of all the tv's Iv had and this is the 4th one should I have Sony replace it or should I just deal with it which it does make me sick seeing it but that's the only problem I have with the tv have so far

This looks bad especially because you are showing it against a fairly dark background. The problems I posted were only visible with light grey background but imperceptible on a darker screen. I don't know why everyone seems more interested in the technical details behind the image uniformity issues than the actual issue itself smile.gif but if you can see those hotter spots (that appear brighter) in normal movie viewing without "looking for issues" you may need to get a replacement. Its all about how bad it is in normal viewing and what you can perceive and deal with. I had some uniformity issues but decided (after looking around) that they were not that bad and, as is pointed out time and time again, every TV will have some uniformity issues.

Makes sense that you had to return this one after seeing how bad it looked during a movie dark scene that you posted. Good luck with the replacement. Seems to me that there are some quality control issues here in general. These level of bad uniformity can and should be pruned before shipping.
Edited by Padrino - 4/7/13 at 7:46pm
post #3339 of 4484
Motionflow (Clear, Clear Plus, Impulse) versus Standard, Smooth

Trying to find info about the different "Motionflow" settings is near impossible. I know for most people, turning this "Off" all the time may be the way to go but I still like to understand what the diffrent setting are and what they are trying to do.... I found this explanation on a UK site. They explain the modes a bit.

I was just frustrated that the Sony site and all the manuals for the TV don't explain it very well at all. This at least gives some information on the different settings. The detail below is from an older model Sony TV but at lest it explains the modes a bit.

# Best Explanation from (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl-55hx853-46hx853-201206161860.htm?page=Performance)
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As we mentioned previously, the three [Motionflow] modes we’re most interested in are [Clear], [Clear Plus], and the new [Impulse] setting. The other options perform motion interpolation on film images, which causes technical glitches as well as changing the look of the 24-frames-per-second (24fps) film material.
Our motion interpolation detector test lets us see that the [Clear] and [Clear Plus] modes partake in a bit of interpolation, but when the [Film Mode] is set to “Auto1?, it’s not enough to introduce a “soap opera effect”, or to cause visible artefacts. As such, we’re still happy to use these modes. With live action content or even most 3D animated content, you’re unlikely to see any issues. Hand-drawn animation is subtly affected, though, with the individually crafted drawings occasionally “morphing” between each other. Viewers who watch a lot of 2D animation can turn [Motionflow] off if they feel it’s a problem.
All three of these modes employ backlight (okay, edge-light) scanning to trick the human visual system (the eyes and brain) into seeing sharper motion images. The [Clear Plus] mode causes a darkening in the image. Users in brighter rooms might want to stay with [Clear], but users watching films in darker rooms can safely go with [Clear Plus]. In fact, this selection is saved independently in the [Cinema 1] and [Cinema 2] modes, meaning that calibrators can easily use [Clear] for a daytime viewing mode and [Clear Plus] for nighttime viewing, where the lessened light output won’t matter.
The new [Impulse] mode is interesting. It uses a type of backlight pulsing we’ve never seen before, which does up the motion clarity with test content. This completely eliminated perceived motion blur in many of our test clips, but some LCD panel blur (caused by pixel response time) remained. However, as the on-screen menu mentions, it produces flicker during bright scenes, which is likely to prove intolerable to almost all users. It did produce better motion clarity with all of the test sequences and content we tried it with, though.
In the end, we settled on [Clear Plus] since it’s a good middle ground between the three settings. With this selected, the Sony KDL-55HX853 did a fairly clean job of reproducing the scrolling test chart from the FPD Benchmark Software BD, although some LCD inverse ghosting was sometimes visible. With high motion video content, the image appeared relatively crisp, but was of course, still behind that of a Plasma TV – unless we used the flickering [Impulse] mode, that is. If we enabled this, motion was nearly as good as a Plasma (albeit with the LCD overdrive still causing some small motion trails), but the flicker makes it a no-go except for darker content.

Impulse uses the backlight strobing to keep the image off for the longest. This is why the image appears darker and appear to have strobe the most. I think only the purest who wants the image to look like a 1970s drive-in would like this mode smile.gif
post #3340 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Padrino View Post

Motionflow (Clear, Clear Plus, Impulse) versus Standard, Smooth

Trying to find info about the different "Motionflow" settings is near impossible. I know for most people, turning this "Off" all the time may be the way to go but I still like to understand what the diffrent setting are and what they are trying to do.... I found this explanation on a UK site. They explain the modes a bit.

I was just frustrated that the Sony site and all the manuals for the TV don't explain it very well at all. This at least gives some information on the different settings. The detail below is from an older model Sony TV but at lest it explains the modes a bit.

# Best Explanation from (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl-55hx853-46hx853-201206161860.htm?page=Performance)
Impulse uses the backlight strobing to keep the image off for the longest. This is why the image appears darker and appear to have strobe the most. I think only the purest who wants the image to look like a 1970s drive-in would like this mode smile.gif

David M does an excellent job on his reviews and explanations, meet with David at last years Shootout he's a very sharp HD guy.
post #3341 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Padrino View Post

Motionflow (Clear, Clear Plus, Impulse) versus Standard, Smooth

Trying to find info about the different "Motionflow" settings is near impossible. I know for most people, turning this "Off" all the time may be the way to go but I still like to understand what the diffrent setting are and what they are trying to do.... I found this explanation on a UK site. They explain the modes a bit.

The same topic was discussed in this post some month ago:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/2490#post_22899352

Never found the whole truth though, but I ended up using Clear Plus.

Stay away from everything which has to do with interpolation.
post #3342 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

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post #3343 of 4484
David M is very versed in HD, and does an excellent job on his reviews and explanations, met with David at last years Shootout he's a very sharp HD guy
Edited by IMRIZZO - 4/8/13 at 9:03am
post #3344 of 4484
Has anyone seen this new 4K Local Dimming Sony ??????? >>>> Click Here

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The dynamic LED difference.

It's all about perfecting a natural look. Dynamic Edge LED backlighting with local dimming delivers pitch-black night scenes and illuminates bright scenes that pop with vibrant color. Rather than illuminating the entire screen, contrast is boosted in just the right areas for a more realistic picture.
post #3345 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Has anyone seen this new 4K Local Dimming Sony ??????? >>>> Click Here

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The dynamic LED difference.

It's all about perfecting a natural look. Dynamic Edge LED backlighting with local dimming delivers pitch-black night scenes and illuminates bright scenes that pop with vibrant color. Rather than illuminating the entire screen, contrast is boosted in just the right areas for a more realistic picture.

Hoping Sony provides one for the shootout, but then again it's Sony's usual cat & mouse game. They don't want the pro's discecting their products before they can bring them to market for fear of failure, and resulting sales problems. If it's such a great display you'd think they would be only to happy to show it off !
post #3346 of 4484
I am sure this tv is everything they say it is but for the price they are asking I will pass.
post #3347 of 4484
Wait, I thought the 4K wasn't going to have local dimming? Or is there a differentiation between local dimming and full array local dimming?
post #3348 of 4484
The new Sony 4Ks are edge lit, not full array...unfortunately. Again, remember, these 4K displays will not be able to display 4K 60P when it becomes available. As to whether they will provide a hardware upgrade, who knows. But anyone going into this needs to know that.
post #3349 of 4484
I have to admit I have never seen these words grouped together to describe the way a TV was lit, "Dynamic Edge LED backlighting with local dimming".

I guess we will see if this is some form of play on words or not.......
post #3350 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I have to admit I have never seen these words grouped together to describe the way a TV was lit, "Dynamic Edge LED backlighting with local dimming".

I guess we will see if this is some form of play on words or not.......

It's called 'Sonymagination'
post #3351 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

It's called 'Sonymagination'

Kind of like Sony sending a panel to be disected at the shootout. It's "Make.Believe". ROLF!!!biggrin.gif
post #3352 of 4484
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Originally Posted by klinge 

The same topic was discussed in this post some month ago:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/2490#post_22899352

Never found the whole truth though, but I ended up using Clear Plus.

Stay away from everything which has to do with interpolation.
Sony black or dark frame insertion (MotionFlow Clear).

post #3353 of 4484
I got the xbr65 from Sony. First one had a stuck pixel. They sent me a replacement. Also a stuck green pixel.

That is 2 TVs in a row. You guys experience this???????????
post #3354 of 4484
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Originally Posted by jyeh74 View Post

I got the xbr65 from Sony. First one had a stuck pixel. They sent me a replacement. Also a stuck green pixel.

That is 2 TVs in a row. You guys experience this???????????

I had a few like that, also had a couple come with fuzz under the glass that looked like dead pixels from certain angles. Good luck
post #3355 of 4484
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Originally Posted by jyeh74 View Post

I got the xbr65 from Sony. First one had a stuck pixel. They sent me a replacement. Also a stuck green pixel.

That is 2 TVs in a row. You guys experience this???????????

yeah...by the fifth time you should be good to go. I think that's how many it took Barrett.
post #3356 of 4484
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Originally Posted by jyeh74 View Post

I got the xbr65 from Sony. First one had a stuck pixel. They sent me a replacement. Also a stuck green pixel.

That is 2 TVs in a row. You guys experience this???????????
That's the way it goes in the world of flat panels. Stuck pixels or dead pixels will sometimes wake up (I had that happen with an lcd monitor a number of years ago, after about a week, the dead pixel fired up and continues to work to this day.), but there's no guarantee.
post #3357 of 4484
Hi
Does any body know if Sony XBR HX950 screen is really damage free? because of that corning gorilla glass?
I had Samsung PN64E8000 my son heat with a plastic toy (1.5 inch big ) and inside panel cracked I enjoyed the TV only 7 months.
If HX950 's screen is strong as it sounds I should buy one.
Thanks.
post #3358 of 4484
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Originally Posted by rfiu7955 View Post

Hi
Does any body know if Sony XBR HX950 screen is really damage free? because of that corning gorilla glass?
I had Samsung PN64E8000 my son heat with a plastic toy (1.5 inch big ) and inside panel cracked I enjoyed the TV only 7 months.
If HX950 's screen is strong as it sounds I should buy one.
Thanks.

From Google search:
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/SonyBRAVIA/technical_information.html


"Yes, Gorilla Glass can break. However, Gorilla Glass is better able to survive the real-world events that most commonly cause glass to chip or break because of its special composition and chemical strengthening.

Gorilla Glass is tough, yet beautiful."
post #3359 of 4484
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Originally Posted by rfiu7955 View Post

Hi
Does any body know if Sony XBR HX950 screen is really damage free? because of that corning gorilla glass?
I had Samsung PN64E8000 my son heat with a plastic toy (1.5 inch big ) and inside panel cracked I enjoyed the TV only 7 months.
If HX950 's screen is strong as it sounds I should buy one.
Thanks.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOj3YGItBo
1:57 in is when the fun starts biggrin.gif
post #3360 of 4484
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Originally Posted by rfiu7955 View Post

Hi
Does any body know if Sony XBR HX950 screen is really damage free? because of that corning gorilla glass?
I had Samsung PN64E8000 my son heat with a plastic toy (1.5 inch big ) and inside panel cracked I enjoyed the TV only 7 months.
If HX950 's screen is strong as it sounds I should buy one.
Thanks.
Nothing is "damage-free" but it is quite strong.
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