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post #3421 of 4483
The more complicated (and expensive) the more problems.

Parents had a Jaguar 12 cylinder once. Perfect example of this. Did it have more engine problems than the 8 cylinder that preceded it? You betcha!
post #3422 of 4483
It looks like many members have pixels issues, some of them tolerate them as long as they don't see it while watching TV, some others will exchange the sets and I'm pretty sure there are others that simply doesn't know they have the problem in the first place! But if I try to switch the TV for a new unit what are the odds of getting another one with noticeable banding or even one with 1 or 2 dead/stuck pixels again? And then what? Order a third one??
post #3423 of 4483
I had the 929 for about a year and was replaced by a NEW 950. This TV maybe 3-5% better than the 929. 3D seems to improve.
post #3424 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fastbend View Post

It looks like many members have pixels issues, some of them tolerate them as long as they don't see it while watching TV, some others will exchange the sets and I'm pretty sure there are others that simply doesn't know they have the problem in the first place! But if I try to switch the TV for a new unit what are the odds of getting another one with noticeable banding or even one with 1 or 2 dead/stuck pixels again? And then what? Order a third one??

It's a lotto. Try the new one before they take the old one is my best recommendation. Otherwise, yes you can end up with one that is worse or one that is better. Sony and many other companies don't scrutinize these panels at this price point. They leave that to us when we take delivery and is likely calculated into their margins. Just because you spend a lot doesn't ensure you will get that level of workmanship or quality. It's our job unfortunately to ensure what we get get is acceptable in quality.

And they do send Demo units to the stores which I'm guessing do undergo quality assessments to ensure those units are as problem free as they can be to entice customers. Which begs the question, are you going to get what you see in the store or is it going to be something else?
post #3425 of 4483
First of all, this is a great thread and thanks to everyone for the great info on the HX950!
I recently became the proud new owner of a 55HX950, it is a replacement for my 46XBR4 that I bought in 2007. I have gotten very lucky (I think) over the past year that brought me to getting my hands on this TV. Late last year the display on my XBR4 started going out, and to my surprise, Sony covered the TV under an extended warranty for that issue. Recently an HDMI port on the replacement XBR4 went out, which was covered by the 2 year warranty that came with it. So, this time while talking with Sony, I asked if I could be upgraded to the XBR8 or any of the flagship models since 2007. They didn't have any XBR8's available, but to my surprise they offered me the HX950! I had to put some cash towards it... but it came at a HUGE discount!
I am more than happy with this TV! I tried many different posted settings... I have currently settled on the Home Theater review settings, I tweaked them a bit with my WOW disc, and am still working on the white balance to figure out a very slight green tint issue sometimes present on faces (doubt anyone else would even notice it though). I definitely agree with those who go with the Warm 2 temp. setting, much more natural color.
I torture tested the TV with some Minnesota Wild hockey last night. No blurring, everything looks fantastic, but there is some DSE. Now, when I was actually watching the players and not looking for DSE, it was what I would consider minimal. I'm not ready to keep swapping until I MAYBE get one with slightly less DSE, and then maybe have other issues.
I must say, I am extremely impressed by Sony's customer service over the past year, and I hope they are one of the very few manufacturers that will survive the tough times the TV market is seeing right now.
Here is a shot of my setup:

post #3426 of 4483
Very clean setup. Nicely laid out in comparison to other setups posted. I like not to see any of my wires too and have it look as though each device is separately contained.
post #3427 of 4483
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD View Post

First of all, this is a great thread and thanks to everyone for the great info on the HX950!
I recently became the proud new owner of a 55HX950, it is a replacement for my 46XBR4 that I bought in 2007. I have gotten very lucky (I think) over the past year that brought me to getting my hands on this TV. Late last year the display on my XBR4 started going out, and to my surprise, Sony covered the TV under an extended warranty for that issue. Recently an HDMI port on the replacement XBR4 went out, which was covered by the 2 year warranty that came with it. So, this time while talking with Sony, I asked if I could be upgraded to the XBR8 or any of the flagship models since 2007. They didn't have any XBR8's available, but to my surprise they offered me the HX950! I had to put some cash towards it... but it came at a HUGE discount!
I am more than happy with this TV! I tried many different posted settings... I have currently settled on the Home Theater review settings, I tweaked them a bit with my WOW disc, and am still working on the white balance to figure out a very slight green tint issue sometimes present on faces (doubt anyone else would even notice it though). I definitely agree with those who go with the Warm 2 temp. setting, much more natural color.
I torture tested the TV with some Minnesota Wild hockey last night. No blurring, everything looks fantastic, but there is some DSE. Now, when I was actually watching the players and not looking for DSE, it was what I would consider minimal. I'm not ready to keep swapping until I MAYBE get one with slightly less DSE, and then maybe have other issues.
I must say, I am extremely impressed by Sony's customer service over the past year, and I hope they are one of the very few manufacturers that will survive the tough times the TV market is seeing right now.
Here is a shot of my setup:



Nice and very clean looking.
post #3428 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fastbend View Post

This is very frustrating. I can't believe a $5K TV can have so many issues...Do Plasma screens also exhibit the banding, DSE, and dead pixels?
Every TV has issues, even plasma's have issues of some kind, but not the same as LED's.
post #3429 of 4483
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD View Post

First of all, this is a great thread and thanks to everyone for the great info on the HX950!
I recently became the proud new owner of a 55HX950, it is a replacement for my 46XBR4 that I bought in 2007. I have gotten very lucky (I think) over the past year that brought me to getting my hands on this TV. Late last year the display on my XBR4 started going out, and to my surprise, Sony covered the TV under an extended warranty for that issue. Recently an HDMI port on the replacement XBR4 went out, which was covered by the 2 year warranty that came with it. So, this time while talking with Sony, I asked if I could be upgraded to the XBR8 or any of the flagship models since 2007. They didn't have any XBR8's available, but to my surprise they offered me the HX950! I had to put some cash towards it... but it came at a HUGE discount!
I am more than happy with this TV! I tried many different posted settings... I have currently settled on the Home Theater review settings, I tweaked them a bit with my WOW disc, and am still working on the white balance to figure out a very slight green tint issue sometimes present on faces (doubt anyone else would even notice it though). I definitely agree with those who go with the Warm 2 temp. setting, much more natural color.
I torture tested the TV with some Minnesota Wild hockey last night. No blurring, everything looks fantastic, but there is some DSE. Now, when I was actually watching the players and not looking for DSE, it was what I would consider minimal. I'm not ready to keep swapping until I MAYBE get one with slightly less DSE, and then maybe have other issues.
I must say, I am extremely impressed by Sony's customer service over the past year, and I hope they are one of the very few manufacturers that will survive the tough times the TV market is seeing right now.
Here is a shot of my setup:




Welcome.

I will tell you that I, and at least one other person that posted (i suspect more), have the issue with green.

Unrelated: Wow, Doors flashback, nice.
post #3430 of 4483
As Chris (Cleveland Plasma) knows, I have been considering the 65HX950. I have also been thinking about the Samsung 64F8500 plasma for my next TV. But the heat of the Samsung is pretty hot and my feelings are, the plasma will be too hot to place inside my cabinet which leads me more towards the 950.

I have been a little leery regarding the 950 because of the banding problems with LED's. That is why I did not order the 65ES8000 last year, BAD BANDING problems.

I have seen the 65HX950 many times at BB and have never seen banding on the set UNTIL this Friday. Friday I took Life of Pi to BB, plugged in the Blu and selected the ocean scenes to watch. Standing in front of the set, the PQ was beautiful. I then moved far right and then far left. Yes, I could see banding. It was there, slightly, but there.

My question to owners: Is banding on the 65HX950 margin-able, if any, from viewing directly in front and noticeable only with certain type of scenes from viewing the set off to the sides? That seems to be the case from all that I have seen.

What say you??



m
Edited by JimShaw - 4/20/13 at 8:04am
post #3431 of 4483
All these LED TVs have some sort of banding. I was at Best Buy today and the Magnolia manager told me that he has seen it even on the Sharp Elite. My 950 is very light on panning scenes. On still images is almost imperceptible. Bottom line, if you look for it you will find it but if you just watch TV as you normally would it should not bother you at all.
post #3432 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

As Chris (Cleveland Plasma) knows, I have been considering the 65HX950. I have also been thinking about the Samsung 64F8500 plasma for my next TV. But the heat of the Samsung is pretty hot and my feelings are, the plasma will be too hot to place inside my cabinet which leads me more towards the 950.

I have been a little leery regarding the 950 because of the banding problems with LED's. That is why I did not order the 65ES8000 last year, BAD BANDING problems.

I have seen the 65HX950 many times at BB and have never seen banding on the set UNTIL this Friday. Friday I took Life of Pi to BB, plugged in the Blu and selected the ocean scenes to watch. Standing in front of the set, the PQ was beautiful. I then moved far right and then far left. Yes, I could see banding. It was there, slightly, but there.

My question to owners: Is banding on the 65HX950 margin-able, if any, from viewing directly in front and noticeable only with certain type of scenes from viewing the set off to the sides? That seems to be the case from all that I have seen.

What say you??



m

Jim..... the worst banding on the 65HX950 would be considered the "best case/least amount possible" on the 65ES8000.

Yes, as I've posted many times in here and other threads, there is vertical banding on every 65HX950. However, if it weren't for the ridiculous decision to have local dimming turned off on the "no input" home screen, I think many owners would not even know they had any banding because they would not no where to look for it had it not been visible on this home screen.

The banding on the 65HX950 is noticeable from angles, but when sitting in front of the TV or just off center, the banding is barely perceptible at all..... with the exception of sports such as hockey, soccer, golf, etc.... but I've yet to see any LED over 65 inches not exhibit banding to some degree with fast panning images from sports whether it be gross (Samsung and LG) or minimal (Sony and Sharp).

While watching 1080p/24 content, the banding is essentially non existent with the exception of extreme panning shots with light solid backgrounds. For instance.... during the Lord of the Rings Fellowhip extended edtion, out of a 3 hour plus movie, I noticed slight banding in one scene for about 3 seconds. That's 3 seconds out of 3 hours. Of course that 3 seconds may stick in your mind, its human nature, but taking a step back and looking at the large scope of things, I'd say banding on the 65HX950 is significantly better than the 65HX929 and perhaps only the 70 inch Sharp Elite exhibits less banding overall.

Considering the number of complaints about banding on even a set like the 84 inch LG 4K set.... I think it is safe to say at least at this time, that ALL large LED screens are going to exhibit banding to some degree.

Does the banding annoy me? Yes, it does... but considering how minimal it is it is more of a case of me being a perfectionist.

If you decide to move forward with the 65HX950, I'm sure you will be very happy with your purchase as long as you can justify the overpriced nature of the 65HX950.

Hope this helps.
Edited by cmay91472 - 4/20/13 at 3:41pm
post #3433 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Jim..... the worst banding on the 65HX950 would be considered the "best case/least amount possible" on the 65ES8000.

Yes, as I've posted many times in here and other threads, there is vertical banding on every 65HX950. However, if it weren't for the ridiculous decision to have local dimming turned off on the "no input" home screen, I think many owners would not even know they had any banding because they would not no where to look for it had it not been visible on this home screen.

The banding on the 65HX950 is noticeable from angles, but when sitting in front of the TV or just off center, the banding is barely perceptible at all..... with the exception of sports such as hockey, soccer, golf, etc.... but I've yet to see any LED over 65 inches not exhibit banding to some degree with fast panning images from sports whether it be gross (Samsung and LG) or minimal (Sony and Sharp).

While watching 1080p/24 content, the banding is essentially non existent with the exception of extreme panning shots with light solid backgrounds. For instance.... during the Lord of the Rings Fellowhip extended edtion, out of a 3 hour plus movie, I noticed slight banding in one scene for about 3 seconds. That's 3 seconds out of 3 hours. Of course that 3 seconds may stick in your mind, its human nature, but taking a step back and looking at the large scope of things, I'd say banding on the 65HX950 is significantly better than the 65HX929 and perhaps only the 70 inch Sharp Elite exhibits less banding overall.

Considering the number of complaints about banding on even a set like the 84 inch LG 4K set.... I think it is safe to say at least at this time, that ALL large LED screens are going to exhibit banding to some degree.

Does the banding annoy me? Yes, it does... but considering how minimal it is it is more of a case of me being a perfectionist.

If you decide to move forward with the 65HX950, I'm sure you will be very happy with your purchase as long as you can justify the overpriced nature of the 65HX950.

Hope this helps.

cmay

Yes, it does help tremendously. You have described what my thoughts are regarding the banding on the 950 vs the ES8000 or other 65+ panels.

It will help me make my decision. I am disappointed that the 64F8500 is too hot to be placed where it would have to go. Therefore, my choice will have to be an LED. The Elite is too big at 70". 65" is as big as I an go.

Which leaves me with a Sony or a Samsung. Either the 65XH950 or the new coming Samsung 65F8000.

I leave for a 3 week vacation this coming Wednesday and when I get back the Shootout will have happened, the 65F8000 should be out and then I can make the big decision.

Once again, thanks
post #3434 of 4483
Don't expect the F8000 to be any better than the es8000.
post #3435 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

Don't expect the F8000 to be any better than the es8000.

Do expect to decide for yourself, and not rely on blanket statements by others. rolleyes.gif
post #3436 of 4483
Well I just joined the club and pulled the trigger on the 65" model. Have been looking at this for a while and was able to recently compare it at BB against the new VT60 series. They only had the 50VT60 in stock but it was sitting right next to the Sony. I didn't play around with the settings on the VT60 much but what annoyed me was still the brightness of the display or lack there of. On Vivid setting it was still kind of dark for me. Thus I selected the Sony. Now just need to wait. Going to be 2 weeks as will not be around this coming week for delivery so I had to schedule it for the week after next. Going to kill me to wait. In any case, couple of quick questions.

1. I did not pick up the Best Buy extended warranty as it was way too much in my own opinion. However I see that Sony sells warranty direct. Any one have any experience with their extended warranty support? Price appear to be about the same as SquareTrade.

2. Are the PS3 3D Glasses still the best to get? Any others, non-Sony that work just as well?
post #3437 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

Don't expect the F8000 to be any better than the es8000.

That is yet to be seen. The 65F8000 has not hit the market to judged at this time. There is always hope.
post #3438 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post

I did not pick up the Best Buy extended warranty as it was way too much in my own opinion. However I see that Sony sells warranty direct. Any one have any experience with their extended warranty support? Price appear to be about the same as SquareTrade.
Check out the Costco -Square Trade Warranty. 5 Years $99

http://www.costco.com/.product.11680336.html

The PS3 glasses work fine for me.
post #3439 of 4483
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Originally Posted by CaptainVideoJW View Post

Check out the Costco -Square Trade Warranty. 5 Years $99

http://www.costco.com/.product.11680336.html

The PS3 glasses work fine for me.

can someone explain this warranty because it makes no sense to be 100 bucks it has to be a catch
post #3440 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

cmay

Yes, it does help tremendously. You have described what my thoughts are regarding the banding on the 950 vs the ES8000 or other 65+ panels.

It will help me make my decision. I am disappointed that the 64F8500 is too hot to be placed where it would have to go. Therefore, my choice will have to be an LED. The Elite is too big at 70". 65" is as big as I an go.

Which leaves me with a Sony or a Samsung. Either the 65XH950 or the new coming Samsung 65F8000.

I leave for a 3 week vacation this coming Wednesday and when I get back the Shootout will have happened, the 65F8000 should be out and then I can make the big decision.

Once again, thanks
Do not expect the 950 to be around long either. BB ad now looking for per orders on the new Sony 4k sets in both the 55" and the 65"! 55" priced at $4999 and the 65" at $6999! Guess pretty soon the full array LED sets will be history. The Sony 4k is edge lit and only has 120hz. Refresh rate. Will have to see before passing judgement, but for that price it should be great!
post #3441 of 4483
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Originally Posted by jake608 View Post

Do not expect the 950 to be around long either. BB ad now looking for per orders on the new Sony 4k sets in both the 55" and the 65"! 55" priced at $4999 and the 65" at $6999! Guess pretty soon the full array LED sets will be history. The Sony 4k is edge lit and only has 120hz. Refresh rate. Will have to see before passing judgement, but for that price it should be great!

?? PRICE does NOT signify Greatness, never will.
post #3442 of 4483
My 70" Elite's sensor remote just gave out after only 3 months. Elite said they had no techs in my area so they agreed to give me my money back. Seems like it would be a lot easier to just send in the closest, out of the area tech to fix the problem instead of returning the set, but oh well. Looks like I will be trying one of the last few 950's. It may not have quite the picture quality of the Elites, but no way am I going to pay $5,000-$7,000 for an edge lit set. The fact that it's 4K is of no importance. The 4K phenomenon is the new 3D. I've seen it in person and at normal viewing distances, I am certainly not impressed.
post #3443 of 4483
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

My 70" Elite's sensor remote just gave out after only 3 months. Elite said they had no techs in my area so they agreed to give me my money back. Seems like it would be a lot easier to just send in the closest, out of the area tech to fix the problem instead of returning the set, but oh well. Looks like I will be trying one of the last few 950's. It may not have quite the picture quality of the Elites, but no way am I going to pay $5,000-$7,000 for an edge lit set. The fact that it's 4K is of no importance. The 4K phenomenon is the new 3D. I've seen it in person and at normal viewing distances, I am certainly not impressed.

banding is apparent in the 65" every one i have seen. albeit, it isn't horrific.
post #3444 of 4483
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Originally Posted by jake608 View Post

Do not expect the 950 to be around long either. BB ad now looking for per orders on the new Sony 4k sets in both the 55" and the 65"! 55" priced at $4999 and the 65" at $6999! Guess pretty soon the full array LED sets will be history. The Sony 4k is edge lit and only has 120hz. Refresh rate. Will have to see before passing judgement, but for that price it should be great!

I'm pretty sure the refresh rate is 240hz for the new Sony 4K TV's.
post #3445 of 4483
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Originally Posted by jake608 View Post

Do not expect the 950 to be around long either. BB ad now looking for per orders on the new Sony 4k sets in both the 55" and the 65"! 55" priced at $4999 and the 65" at $6999! Guess pretty soon the full array LED sets will be history. The Sony 4k is edge lit and only has 120hz. Refresh rate. Will have to see before passing judgement, but for that price it should be great!

Sony's website now lists the HX950 as "No Longer Available". If that is true, the 950 was pretty short lived!

Edit:
Looks like the 65 is still for sale, but not the 55.
Edited by MojoRisinSD - 4/21/13 at 11:53am
post #3446 of 4483
i went to a demo unveiling of the 4k yesterday. the sony reps did call it 120 hz but it was confusing because they said "the *panel* is a 120 hz refresh rate, the highest available for a 4k tv." but everything i've read and the stuff they handed out says the same "MotionFlow XR 960 technology" as the 950 which i understand is upscaled from 240hz (?). i'd never heard of a refresh rate for a panel. i asked them that isn't the refresh rate "processing" the same as the 950 at 240 hz and they just looked at me funny and reiterated the panel is 120 hz (?). so i don't know what it is now (?).

i also assumed that it was the same as the 950 and was not edge lit (?).

it looked really good but under perfect conditions - 4k content. i said play a game off of cable or satellite and they of course responded that they were not set up to do that for their demo. so it really wasn't demo'ed at all.
post #3447 of 4483
how bad is the haloing and blooming on this tv ?
post #3448 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fastbend View Post

This is very frustrating. I can't believe a $5K TV can have so many issues...Do Plasma screens also exhibit the banding, DSE, and dead pixels?

I am with your there... My OOB experience was certainly a bit of a let down when I first discovered some perceivable, albeit minor, issues with my new, very expensive TV. And many of the veteran posters here will help you ease that pain by letting you know that "all TVs have issues" and "no TV is perfect". And for the most part, you do have to accept some imperfection in all TVs.

My problem is this, I must have been the luckiest person in the world the last time I bought a high end LCD TV because it did, in fact, have zero stuck pixels, no perceptible banding, and absolutely uniform brightness (no DSE) even with the local dimming disabled. That TV was also very expensive but I figured I got what I paid for. This time around, I did not get that same premium quality experience. Not to say the TV was not great in general but it was a bit of a let down to see some issues.

Overall, I am very happy with the TV I now own. The minor DSE/banding that I was able to see while the TV was under serious scrutiny is barely visible in a sky scene while panning and not visible at all other time. So, given all the people who are noticing banding, DSE, and stuck pixels, I think I got an average or even above average set myself. After living with the TV for a few weeks, I don't notice any issues unless I am really looking for them.

But I don't think the community should be so ready to forgive this wide range of issues. I know TVs can be made better and I know DSE/banding id not an "absolute" defect that can never be fixed through better panel production or selection. It can be better and I think sometimes it seems like the videophiles here are a bit too ready to accept these issues as inherent to all LCD TVs. The reality is, getting a TV that has no perceptible banding or DSE and zero dead pixels should be the goal. And Sony and other manufacturers should not be able to have a "flagship" TV unless they have enough high quality panels in which they can be selective about which panels are used. I suppose that may mean that a "flagship" HX950 may cost 6000 instead of 5000.

That is the real trade-off after all. Its really how much people are willing to pay for extremely high quality, especially when 80% of the buyers will not even notice. This is the real reason all TVs will continue to have issues because of cost and the right balance of quality and profitability. So, we all have to live with some minor imperfections. As they say, follow the money smile.gif
post #3449 of 4483
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Originally Posted by seansingh7326 View Post

how bad is the haloing and blooming on this tv ?

If you don't drive the backlight too high, its not bad at all. If you watch TV with some light in the room, its also not very perceptible. But in very dark room, it is noticeable especially off angle. But you can keep it from being an issue by...

Advice for Dark Room Settings
  • Dropping the backlight to" MIN" or "1" if you watch in a dark room.
  • Change the local dimming from "Standard" to "Low"
  • If you want brighter whites, increase the contrast (70~90) instead of raising the Backlight above "1"

When you do these things, the Halo effect is greatly reduced and the TV still presents nice inky blacks.
post #3450 of 4483
I am really hoping someone here can help me for with my 65hx 950. For 5000 this tv should not have this problem. When I view tv from just a couple of steps to left or right the picture washes out really bad, my mom even noticed it and also im not videophile so im not looking for it either, and this just bothers me for some reason I cant stand it gives me a feeling to my stomach. The pic looks great from straight on but im not always sitting straight on. My previous tv a vizio xvt3d554 the successor to the 553 didnt wash out at all when viewed from those angles and it seems like the pic was on par with this one, i feel bad and like I got ripped off is their anything I can do or should I try and exchange for another tv 950 maybe its just this panel. I know it is suppose to fade but not this bad I dont think. I would think because its sony the tv would be better than my vizio but maybe I was wrong the vizio was full array also hope its not to late to exchange or get something different. One more thing when watching hd uverse the lakers and spurs today it seemed liked my vizio looked better on that channel than this tv what can i do i dont want to feel like i wasted 5000 please help.
Edited by cdjocp - 4/21/13 at 10:40pm
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