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post #3541 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

The Hugo disc was highly touted by Home Theater Mag for it's3D-ness they quote it as 3D reference mat.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/hugo

So I take it you haven't watched this for yourself yet then. Yes, great 3D visuals and depth, but just a tad too much extreme parallax for the hx950 to process without some minor ghosting on a number of scenes. Reference to me is great 3D visuals and depth with zero crosstalk. Granted, there is not an active 3D display that can present Hugo without at least minor crosstalk.
post #3542 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

So I take it you haven't watched this for yourself yet then. Yes, great 3D visuals and depth, but just a tad too much extreme parallax for the hx950 to process without some minor ghosting on a number of scenes. Reference to me is great 3D visuals and depth with zero crosstalk. Granted, there is not an active 3D display that can present Hugo without at least minor crosstalk.

I have about dozen 3D disc I've bought but only watched one Pirates of the Caribbean. I don't get into the 3D often enough.
post #3543 of 4483
Mine is 65HX920 TW model + TDG-BR750 glasses. Since I wear glasses, the 3D glasses needs almost contacted with my glasses to avoid the crosstalk issue.

This TV also has much better 3D experience when viewed in the fully dark room like the movie theater. Otherwise it will be felt less of vivid color / stereo feeling due to some issues. One is the interference from the environmental light source(s). Another is obviously darker and less image contrast feeling compared to 2D mode -- due to the active-shutter 3D glasses.
post #3544 of 4483
Well, since I did not experience crosstalk at all while watching Hugo, it seems that the Playstation Glasses are the ones that do the trick......and Motionflow ON.

"What is crosstalk and how do the PlayStation® 3D Glasses minimize crosstalk?
Crosstalk is 3D distortion that occurs when ACTIVE 3D glasses are not communicating properly with the 3D display. This occurs most often when a user is watching 3D content and the glasses are not in a “normal” viewing angle (for example if you’re laying down on the couch sideways and your head is tilted). With the PlayStation® 3D Glasses, this effect is minimized.
Why do the glasses appear so dark when I am watching 3D content?
The glasses have been optimized for 3D gaming and while they appear darker in peripheral views (eg all areas other than the display), it does not affect the amount of brightness you receive from the display.
post #3545 of 4483
I can't stand this, I'm returning this set.

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post #3546 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

I can't stand this, I'm returning this set.

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Dead Pixels holy crap ...?
post #3547 of 4483
not dead pixels. this is what happens when the local dimming works with light objects on a black background.

im returning it. got bestbuy to match the amazon price on an f8000 including no taxes. so 2490 OTD 15 day no questions asked return policy.

going to do a side by side with the 950
post #3548 of 4483
That's the blooming from severe off-angle. I see it from an off-angle with my set, but usually not that severe of blooming.
post #3549 of 4483
That blooming was present even from straight on.
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Dead on same problem. bloom2.JPG 424k .JPG file
post #3551 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

Dead on same problem. bloom2.JPG 424k .JPG file

That's terrible.
post #3552 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

The Hugo disc was highly touted by Home Theater Mag for it's3D-ness they quote it as 3D reference mat.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/hugo
One of the est 3d movies I've watched so far was Avatar that was recently released after Panasonic held the rights. Watching it again in 3d was like a totally new movie experience. I also just purchased the Hobbit but am waiting until my 950 is calibrated.
post #3553 of 4483
GT0, I am interested in your comparison. I just got a hx950 and am satisfied but was looking at the f8000/f8500 before I got my Sony. Still have a week to decide if I want to keep it, I found a few stuck pixels but they are hard to notice. Just seeing lots of bad comments on the Samsung forum, might be better off to live with blooming.
post #3554 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

Dead on same problem. bloom2.JPG 424k .JPG file

What movie? I'd like to test my set.
post #3555 of 4483
The Impossible about 6 minutes in.

I did some in depth back and forth on the f8000 and 950 but first a comparison between the es8000 and f8000.

The new f8000 is an upgrade. Smart Hub works better. The remote is more responsive. Screen uniformity is much better. No more clouding on the set I got and no more v cloud. Still some slight flashlighting but that is what you get in all edge lit.

950 v f8000

The 950 has better blacks. The F8000 has good blacks for an edgelit display without local dimming but the ability of the 950 to turn off zones really takes the cake and can add a lot of depth to certain scenes due to the improved contrast. With high quality content such as bluray the 950 edges out the f8000 in color, contrast, black level, and white balance. But I msut say that it isn't a $500 better picture. You have to be really anal retentive to notice it. On network television they are nearly exactly the same.

So my suggestion is that if you have no problem paying a lot more for slightly better performance then get the 950, but know that if you have a dark scene with a bright light(s) you will get blooming that will destroy the picture. Just look at the pictures I attached. The question is how often will that happen?

I'm leaning with keeping the f8000 due to it being cheaper and having a much improved smart hub and connectivity. The blacks are not inferior enough compared to the 950 to make up for the cost difference.
post #3556 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

The Impossible about 6 minutes in.

I did some in depth back and forth on the f8000 and 950 but first a comparison between the es8000 and f8000.

The new f8000 is an upgrade. Smart Hub works better. The remote is more responsive. Screen uniformity is much better. No more clouding on the set I got and no more v cloud. Still some slight flashlighting but that is what you get in all edge lit.

950 v f8000

The 950 has better blacks. The F8000 has good blacks for an edgelit display without local dimming but the ability of the 950 to turn off zones really takes the cake and can add a lot of depth to certain scenes due to the improved contrast. With high quality content such as bluray the 950 edges out the f8000 in color, contrast, black level, and white balance. But I msut say that it isn't a $500 better picture. You have to be really anal retentive to notice it. On network television they are nearly exactly the same.

So my suggestion is that if you have no problem paying a lot more for slightly better performance then get the 950, but know that if you have a dark scene with a bright light(s) you will get blooming that will destroy the picture. Just look at the pictures I attached. The question is how often will that happen?

I'm leaning with keeping the f8000 due to it being cheaper and having a much improved smart hub and connectivity. The blacks are not inferior enough compared to the 950 to make up for the cost difference.

Minor blooming is always a trade off with full array local dimming compared to edge bleed and flashlighting with edge lit sets. The higher you have your backlight set, the more noticeable blooming can be. The only way I can duplicate that same kind of blooming on my 65HX950 with that scene from the Impossible is to have the back light set to maximum (10) AKA torch mode, which really isn't practical for anything other than 3D. I was still able to replicate very minor blooming when I dropped the backlight to 7 which is the default setting for cinema 2 movie mode, but personally, I still find that way to bright of an image for my own viewing tastes. With the backlight at my preferred 3, I don't see any of that blooming. If your set is blooming like that from straight on with a backlight set at let's say 3.... then there is definitely something wrong with your particular set. Keep in mind, with the F8000, setting the backlight at a comparable torch mode that replicates that blooming on an HX950, will result in major edge bleed and flashlighting unless cinema black is enabled, but as we all know, that comes with a severe trade off when using that feature.

The HX950 has always been overpriced compared to all the other TVs out there and that you are going to be paying significantly more for the full array local dimming feature. For some like yourself, it's not worth the few extra hundred dollars. For others like myself, its well worth it as nothing annoyed me more than seeing edge bleed and flashlighting on letterbox bars. Even with the F8000, as many have pointed out, the cinema black feature is useless as in order to dim the black bars to get them black, it's reducing brightness and contrast to unacceptable levels for many striving for the best possible movie presentation. No LED set is perfect to date.,,, just look at all those scratching their heads at banding on the 84 inch 4K sets who expected at that price for it to be gone eek.gif , I have a feeling if minor blooming is the only issue you have with the HX950, then you are going to be hard pressed to find any set you are completely satisfied.
post #3557 of 4483
I had backlight set to 2. FYI
post #3558 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

I had backlight set to 2. FYI

If your backlight was only at 2 and it was that visible from straight on, then your set was most likely defective. No way any hx950 displays that level of blooming from a straight on viewing angle with a backlight setting that low.
post #3559 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

If your backlight was only at 2 and it was that visible from straight on, then your set was most likely defective. No way any hx950 displays that level of blooming from a straight on viewing angle with a backlight setting that low.
What would cause that defect? Bad diffuser plate?
post #3560 of 4483
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Originally Posted by CaptainVideoJW View Post

What would cause that defect? Bad diffuser plate?

Not sure.... all I know is that I don't think anyone at least in this thread ever complained about blooming that bad with the backlight set to only 2 so something definitely isn't right I must think.
post #3561 of 4483
Any one notised ? that best buy does not have hx950-s in serch any more.
post #3562 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Not sure.... all I know is that I don't think anyone at least in this thread ever complained about blooming that bad with the backlight set to only 2 so something definitely isn't right I must think.

That was the reason I indicated pixel defect, I thought it was a very closeup with a cel-phone camera. I can get almost parallel with my set and don't get that sort of blooming effect.

That set is definitely defective.
post #3563 of 4483
I don't have that particular movie to watch, but my blooming isn't nearly that bad from dead-on and my backlight was at 6 (I since lowered it to 3).
post #3564 of 4483
My 65HX950 will be delivered tomorrow sometime between 8-5 rolleyes.gif

I really hope I get a good unit without any major banding, dead pixels or extreme blooming. This thread has made me both excited and nervous, but I'm trying to remain optimistic. Coming from a 52A750, my whole family is excited for the upgrade. I just hope this set lives up to the hype!
post #3565 of 4483
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Originally Posted by MastaMind View Post

My 65HX950 will be delivered tomorrow sometime between 8-5 rolleyes.gif

I really hope I get a good unit without any major banding, dead pixels or extreme blooming. This thread has made me both excited and nervous, but I'm trying to remain optimistic. Coming from a 52A750, my whole family is excited for the upgrade. I just hope this set lives up to the hype!

Best of luck to you and watch the TV. The TV is phenomenal and if you look I am sure you will find flaws. I personally have not looked for issues. (Well actually have, but only for dead pixels as those are easily noticeable). I have been watching the TV in normal scenarios and ensuring that all is well and that there are no glaring issues. So far so good. Again, if you go looking for issues I am sure you will find them and end up not being happy. That said, obviously if there is a glaring defect I would expect to return it but I would highly encourage viewing it in normal setting first and then determine if you want to really go looking for additional issues such as banding, extreme blooming, etc. Once you find something it will be hard to ignore so only look if it just initially pass the basic general viewing test. That's my opinion anyway.
post #3566 of 4483
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Originally Posted by rfiu7955 View Post

Any one notised ? that best buy does not have hx950-s in serch any more.

Not online, but you could try going into a Best Buy store's customer service desk and ask them to search inventory. That's what I did, I have one reserved with a deposit just to lock in the price. It can be held for a few days. Now i need to decide whether to get the 2012 65" Sony HX950 or 2013 65" Samsung F8000. With the Best Buy deal on Sony ($3500 + tax), the Sony and Samsung came out to be about the same price.

Too bad I haven't seen any side-by-side comparison on picture quality. Should I go with Sony with Full Array but with blooming issue, or a edge-lit Samsung with the Precision Black and Micro Dimming that's advertised to have good blacks and less blooming? Any advise is appreciated!
post #3567 of 4483
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

Not online, but you could try going into a Best Buy store's customer service desk and ask them to search inventory. That's what I did, I have one reserved with a deposit just to lock in the price. It can be held for a few days. Now i need to decide whether to get the 2012 65" Sony HX950 or 2013 65" Samsung F8000. With the Best Buy deal on Sony ($3500 + tax), the Sony and Samsung came out to be about the same price.

Too bad I haven't seen any side-by-side comparison on picture quality. Should I go with Sony with Full Array but with blooming issue, or a edge-lit Samsung with the Precision Black and Micro Dimming that's advertised to have good blacks and less blooming? Any advise is appreciated!
MY self I had Samsung plazma E 8000 and I thout that is the best tv I got untill this tv hx 950.
YES there is banding but only when I watch Soccer, during other sports I do not see any banding I don't know why .not even when I watch NFL.
But I notised that when there is beter signal there is (depend on network)very little banding you can't see unless you try hard wich made me disi couple of times
Blooming ? I have not even thout about that.
I have seen new samsung and hx 950 side by side winner is hx 950 .
Hx 950 pictur is more real, red and black and generally the colors and most important the depth are the best for me on hx950. Samsung is a little behinde.
I think for $3500 hx 950 is THE BEST tv you can get.
HX950 is stopped production why don't you try this.You have 15 days to return it no restocking fee in the Best buy than you can always buy Samsung F8000 it just came out.
Edited by rfiu7955 - 5/2/13 at 6:45pm
post #3568 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post

Best of luck to you and watch the TV. The TV is phenomenal and if you look I am sure you will find flaws. I personally have not looked for issues. (Well actually have, but only for dead pixels as those are easily noticeable). I have been watching the TV in normal scenarios and ensuring that all is well and that there are no glaring issues. So far so good. Again, if you go looking for issues I am sure you will find them and end up not being happy. That said, obviously if there is a glaring defect I would expect to return it but I would highly encourage viewing it in normal setting first and then determine if you want to really go looking for additional issues such as banding, extreme blooming, etc. Once you find something it will be hard to ignore so only look if it just initially pass the basic general viewing test. That's my opinion anyway.

Agreed, if you start off searching for problems if you look hard enough you'll find something, and then it becomes an obsession. Just enjoy it. if you have a problem it will be obvious, so if you don't see anything then stop looking and enjoy.
post #3569 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post

Best of luck to you and watch the TV. The TV is phenomenal and if you look I am sure you will find flaws. I personally have not looked for issues. (Well actually have, but only for dead pixels as those are easily noticeable). I have been watching the TV in normal scenarios and ensuring that all is well and that there are no glaring issues. So far so good. Again, if you go looking for issues I am sure you will find them and end up not being happy. That said, obviously if there is a glaring defect I would expect to return it but I would highly encourage viewing it in normal setting first and then determine if you want to really go looking for additional issues such as banding, extreme blooming, etc. Once you find something it will be hard to ignore so only look if it just initially pass the basic general viewing test. That's my opinion anyway.

Agreed, if you start off searching for problems if you look hard enough you'll find something, and then it becomes an obsession. Just enjoy it. if you have a problem it will be obvious, so if you don't see anything then stop looking and enjoy.
post #3570 of 4483
"Not online, but you could try going into a Best Buy store's customer service desk and ask them to search inventory. That's what I did, I have one reserved with a deposit just to lock in the price. It can be held for a few days. Now i need to decide whether to get the 2012 65" Sony HX950 or 2013 65" Samsung F8000. With the Best Buy deal on Sony ($3500 + tax), the Sony and Samsung came out to be about the same price.

Too bad I haven't seen any side-by-side comparison on picture quality. Should I go with Sony with Full Array but with blooming issue, or a edge-lit Samsung with the Precision Black and Micro Dimming that's advertised to have good blacks and less blooming? Any advise is appreciated!"

You would be able to spot blooming in very rare occasions and under certain circumstances ( too much backlight).

However, you will hate the permanent edge bleed and flashlight from edge lit units like the F8000..

Full array is a superior/pricier technology.
Edited by mariogelman - 5/2/13 at 6:56pm
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