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post #3631 of 4488
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Originally Posted by BlueMaroon View Post


I've seen significant (for a $5k tv) banding on 20+ HX950 from 9/12-1/13 build dates

What is your definition of significant? You must have truly unrealistic expectations then as the 65HX950 has the least amount of banding of any 2012 LED set in its size class. To say you saw "significant" banding on over 20+ 65HX950s is almost hard to believe.... let alone finding the time to go to 20 different stores to examine them as well.

Not trying to be hard on you, but we see way too many newbies come in here and post statements like yours which wind up causing folks to have unrealistic expectations. Until we see a number of actual owners who can verify the x900a has zero banding, I won't believe it.. It would be absurd for a $25,000 84 inch Sony to have banding, a $15,000 84 LG to have banding.... then all of a sudden a Taiwanese company accomplish something no manufacturer has ever been able to solve which is vertical banding on LEDs.

Hey.... if this company really did reinvent the wheel so to speak, more power to them.
post #3632 of 4488
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

What is your definition of significant? You must have truly unrealistic expectations then as the 65HX950 has the least amount of banding of any 2012 LED set in its size class. To say you saw "significant" banding on over 20+ 65HX950s is almost hard to believe.... let alone finding the time to go to 20 different stores to examine them as well.

Not trying to be hard on you, but we see way too many newbies come in here and post statements like yours which wind up causing folks to have unrealistic expectations. Until we see a number of actual owners who can verify the x900a has zero banding, I won't believe it.. It would be absurd for a $25,000 84 inch Sony to have banding, a $15,000 84 LG to have banding.... then all of a sudden a Taiwanese company accomplish something no manufacturer has ever been able to solve which is vertical banding on LEDs.

Hey.... if this company really did reinvent the wheel so to speak, more power to them.

believe it. its not that hard to see 20 when you live in the city. i think there are 10 best buys alone in a ten mile radius. i had 5 exchanges myself.

significant is whenever there is a bright scene(golf, football, snowboarding, desert, sky, etc.) and distinct bands appear. minor would be that "if" there is vertical banding on the x900a my eyes didn't see it at all and I trust my eyes more than yours. because minor to you is significant to me. yeah it may not be as "bad" as some cheap samsung, but nonetheless it is still bad. at least the samsung is half the price.

lastly each set ive seen has varying degrees of banding, 3 bars, 5 bars, really dark ones, lighter ones, a set with one in the middle and another set with no band in the middle....its not that unrealistic of an expectation. how can i see 5 bands on one set and only 3 on another? because they screwed up something in piecing the product together in different ways. sounds fixable if there could be only 3 bars on one....theyre half way there almost! =)

having expectations pushes people to innovate. its america. its healthy.
post #3633 of 4488
That's odd because every single image posted of banding on the 65 or 55 (they each have their own distinctive pattern) has the faint bars in the exact same locations. Yes, there is varying degrees of how noticeable some sets are, but I'm starting to believe you are making everything up if you claim you saw different patterns on each of the sets as that is very unlikely given the discussion on banding from this threads beginnings.

Regardless, I'm glad you like the x900a and sorry you had such a bad experience with your 65HX950. Let's just move on now. No need to go in circles with this.
post #3634 of 4488
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

That's odd because every single image posted of banding on the 65 or 55 (they each have their own distinctive pattern) has the faint bars in the exact same locations. Yes, there is varying degrees of how noticeable some sets are, but I'm starting to believe you are making everything up if you claim you saw different patterns on each of the sets as that is very unlikely given the discussion on banding from this threads beginnings.

Regardless, I'm glad you like the x900a and sorry you had such a bad experience with your 65HX950. Let's just move on now. No need to go in circles with this.

5 total positions on the screen where the bars are. some panels didnt have the center bar or you could say it was so faint it wasnt visible. some didnt have the far right bar again or it was so faint it wasnt visible if you are a believer that the technology doesnt exist.

just the fact alone that it could be fainter from one another means its fixable. just saying.

maybe this weekend i'll think of something else to "make up" for next week's discussion. maybe something to do with a spirit living inside my HX950 since that would be a much more interesting fantasy than talking about banding.
post #3635 of 4488
One of these days I hope to take pictures of my banding. I would like to know how good or bad it is, acording to how others see it. I can live with mine. The rest of the picture makes up for the banding. Though I wish it were a little sharper. Maybe I should have waited for the 4k, or gotten a 55in. It's when I was thinking this would be the last of the full array backlits, did I start to panic and bought one. Especially when the salesman told me, there were no more around my vicinity to get, and I'm fearful of making big purchases online.
post #3636 of 4488
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Originally Posted by p4uLie View Post

One of these days I hope to take pictures of my banding. I would like to know how good or bad it is, acording to how others see it. I can live with mine. The rest of the picture makes up for the banding. Though I wish it were a little sharper. Maybe I should have waited for the 4k, or gotten a 55in. It's when I was thinking this would be the last of the full array backlits, did I start to panic and bought one. Especially when the salesman told me, there were no more around my vicinity to get, and I'm fearful of making big purchases online.

One factor for those investing in the initial 4K sets will be if their TVs can be made compatible if the manufacturers and content providers decide to go 60fps for standardization. This was my biggest reason to hold off until at least 2014 as I didn't want to pay $7000 only to then find out I couldn't take advantage of the best possible picture quality if the tvs couldn't be modified/upgraded which is anyone's guess as to if they could or couldn't be. I figured the 65HX950 would be a good set for at least a year or two.... but being a huge 3D fan, I'll jump all over a 65+ 4K set for its passive 3D once they finalize the 48/60hz issue or at least make the tv future proof by stating it could be upgraded if/when it is finalized.
post #3637 of 4488
The silliness has begun, it may be time to leave this thread, before it becomes totally absurd.
post #3638 of 4488
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

The silliness has begun, it may be time to leave this thread, before it becomes totally absurd.

How is that absurd? As Ken Ross had pointed out previously in this thread about the 48/60 fps potential issue, you don't find that a valid concern for early adopters especially if there is no guarantee that the initial 4K sets could be upgraded. As it stands now, the current HDMI ports would most likely needed be changed from what I've read on the current 4K sets to take advantage of 60fps.
post #3639 of 4488
I was referring to postings by BlueMaroon , not by statements by Ken, Ken is a tru HD advocate. It's the questionable postings that will ruin a good thread.
post #3640 of 4488
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I was referring to postings by BlueMaroon , not by statements by Ken, Ken is a tru HD advocate. It's the questionable postings that will ruin a good thread.

I just figure if we ignore it, it will eventually go away smile.gif
post #3641 of 4488
65" 950 owners a question:

I have read that Samsung is suppose to have the best 3D out there. How would you rate the 3D quality of the 950 against the Samsung?

Less than?

The same?

Better?

Your thought please.
Edited by JimShaw - 5/12/13 at 1:28pm
post #3642 of 4488
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

65" 950 owners a question:

I have read that Samsung is suppose to have the best 3D out there. How would you rate the 3D quality of the 950 against the Samsung?

Less than?

The same?

Better?

Your thought please.

Jim.... I have to admit.... the 3D on my 65ES8000 was the "best of the best." The 3D on the 65HX950 is a very close second, but will exhibit a slight degree more of crosstalk/ghosting. Are we talking night and day difference? No. I'd say the 65HX950 3D is the second best 3D I've seem out of the four 2012 models I owned (65HX950, 65ES8000, 60ES8000 and 65VT50). All four are far better than my 65VT30 which shows the improvements by all from 2011 and 2012.

The problem however was as mind blowing as the 3D on the 65ES8000 was.... my 3D experience was ruined by the constant in your face vertical banding thus my decision to buy the 65HX950. I was very worried about how good the 3D was going to be as the reviews were so-so. But it turned out all of those reviews were using non polarized 3D glasses. With the PS3 polarized glasses, all of the issues that plagued the 3D were gone, leaving a 3D image that is very, very good.... just slightly and I mean slightly inferior to the 65ES8000.
post #3643 of 4488
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Jim.... I have to admit.... the 3D on my 65ES8000 was the "best of the best." The 3D on the 65HX950 is a very close second, but will exhibit a slight degree more of crosstalk/ghosting. Are we talking night and day difference? No. I'd say the 65HX950 3D is the second best 3D I've seem out of the four 2012 models I owned (65HX950, 65ES8000, 60ES8000 and 65VT50). All four are far better than my 65VT30 which shows the improvements by all from 2011 and 2012.

The problem however was as mind blowing as the 3D on the 65ES8000 was.... my 3D experience was ruined by the constant in your face vertical banding thus my decision to buy the 65HX950. I was very worried about how good the 3D was going to be as the reviews were so-so. But it turned out all of those reviews were using non polarized 3D glasses. With the PS3 polarized glasses, all of the issues that plagued the 3D were gone, leaving a 3D image that is very, very good.... just slightly and I mean slightly inferior to the 65ES8000.

cmay

thanks for your input regarding 3D on the 950. You have been extremely helpful.


Jim
post #3644 of 4488
Seen the 65"4K last night at the Shootout Impressed at 5-6 feet, after that not so much ? and it was on a special Sony promo drive.
post #3645 of 4488
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Seen the 65"4K last night at the Shootout Impressed at 5-6 feet, after that not so much ? and it was on a special Sony promo drive.

I was there too....I believe I was sitting not too far from you........I was not as impressed with the X900 as i though I would be. I think it's a one trick pony.....4K resolution, that like you said, you can't see further back than 6ft. The black levels weren't even close to what I have seen on a HX950.

I am going back and forth between getting one of the last 65HX950's or the VT60. The VT60's prices are dropping fast with a price given to me at BB below $3K for the 65VT60. The cheapest I can find a 65HX950 is $3,600 now unless I can track down a demo here in NJ, which is going to be tough.
post #3646 of 4488
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

I was there too....I believe I was sitting not too far from you........I was not as impressed with the X900 as i though I would be. I think it's a one trick pony.....4K resolution, that like you said, you can't see further back than 6ft. The black levels weren't even close to what I have seen on a HX950.

I am going back and forth between getting one of the last 65HX950's or the VT60. The VT60's prices are dropping fast with a price given to me at BB below $3K for the 65VT60. The cheapest I can find a 65HX950 is $3,600 now unless I can track down a demo here in NJ, which is going to be tough.

I have seen two at different BB's. One for $2900.99 and the other for $3075.00. These prices have stopped me from putting $$$$ on the new 64F8500 for the moment until I finally make up my mind. Either the 950 or the F8500. Damn, too difficult of a decision but the pressure is on because the 950's won't last that long.
post #3647 of 4488
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I have seen two at different BB's. One for $2900.99 and the other for $3075.00. These prices have stopped me from putting $$$$ on the new 64F8500 for the moment until I finally make up my mind. Either the 950 or the F8500. Damn, too difficult of a decision but the pressure is on because the 950's won't last that long.

This wasn't in the NYC/NJ area? Because in doing my search I have come up dry with BB. I am leaning towards the 950, since they are out of production and the last of the local dimming LED's. If i buy it at BB i can always return it for a VT or ZT. If I cannot buy it at a BB then it becomes a harder decision, because i will not be able to swap it out.
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Seen the 65"4K last night at the Shootout Impressed at 5-6 feet, after that not so much ? and it was on a special Sony promo drive.

I was there too....I believe I was sitting not too far from you........I was not as impressed with the X900 as i though I would be. I think it's a one trick pony.....4K resolution, that like you said, you can't see further back than 6ft. The black levels weren't even close to what I have seen on a HX950.

I am going back and forth between getting one of the last 65HX950's or the VT60. The VT60's prices are dropping fast with a price given to me at BB below $3K for the 65VT60. The cheapest I can find a 65HX950 is $3,600 now unless I can track down a demo here in NJ, which is going to be tough.

so the x900 is no good?

thanks
post #3649 of 4488
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

so the x900 is no good?

thanks

Not that it's no good, but I just don't think it's worth the price. Once you sit at a usual distance the 4K resolution looks like 1080p.......And those speakers gotta go!
post #3650 of 4488
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Not that it's no good, but I just don't think it's worth the price. Once you sit at a usual distance the 4K resolution looks like 1080p.......And those speakers gotta go!

It's funny, Sony guys hate the speaker configuration (myself not inc'd), but everyone else liked the design (including the Panny reps). But what I walked away from the event with , was that the SONY didn't match up to the other panels, very disappointed. I still believe the 950(929) would have been a better contender against the Panny's
post #3651 of 4488
After reviewing the performance of the 900 and the letdown, all I can do now is await the release of the OLED panels till then I'm more than happy with my 929. And I think any other Sony fans how have seen the 900 series would agree.
post #3652 of 4488
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

After reviewing the performance of the 900 and the letdown, all I can do now is await the release of the OLED panels till then I'm more than happy with my 929. And I think any other Sony fans how have seen the 900 series would agree.

I'm definitely disappointed with the new XBRs and most of the 2013 LCDs in general, which is why I was in a rush to grab a 65HX950 before they're gone.
post #3653 of 4488
There is a new FW.
post #3654 of 4488
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Originally Posted by MastaMind View Post

I'm definitely disappointed with the new XBRs and most of the 2013 LCDs in general, which is why I was in a rush to grab a 65HX950 before they're gone.

To me, the only real advantage of 4K at only 55 or 65 inches is passive 3D. But until 4K content is readily available, it doesn't seem to be leaps and bound better at least in regards to these first generation 4K sets. It's funny how so many people gawk at the store displays playing custom 4K loops, not realizing that that is not how the set is going to look with 1080p24 sources and 1080i cable/satellite feeds. That being said, if I was in the market for a new TV, I have to admit that I would be tempted.
post #3655 of 4488
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

To me, the only real advantage of 4K at only 55 or 65 inches is passive 3D. But until 4K content is readily available, it doesn't seem to be leaps and bound better at least in regards to these first generation 4K sets. It's funny how so many people gawk at the store displays playing custom 4K loops, not realizing that that is not how the set is going to look with 1080p24 sources and 1080i cable/satellite feeds. That being said, if I was in the market for a new TV, I have to admit that I would be tempted.

I feel the same way. It's nice for passive 3D, but there just isn't an abundance of 4k material right now. Additionally, the first gen sets are going to be limited by HDMI 1.4 and it's pure conjecture whether or not the manufacturers will provide an upgrade path. I'm personally waiting for more 4k source material and an 80+ inch panel before I make the switch. I'm not a fan of edge lit tech, either, so hopefully OLED will be available and reasonably priced by the time I'm ready to upgrade. The HX950 is a great set for what's available now.
post #3656 of 4488
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

so the x900 is no good?

thanks

Best Buy in Bridgewater NJ has the 65" Sony 4K on display.
post #3657 of 4488
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

After reviewing the performance of the 900 and the letdown, all I can do now is await the release of the OLED panels till then I'm more than happy with my 929. And I think any other Sony fans how have seen the 900 series would agree.


+1 (at the very least)

Best Regards,

GPHVIDEO
post #3658 of 4488
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Originally Posted by HDPERSON View Post

Best Buy in Bridgewater NJ has the 65" Sony 4K on display.

I think BB has them at all the Mag stores now. I wish Sony had not stuck speakers on the sides of the set. For that reason alone, I would never get one.
post #3659 of 4488
Is the PQ on the hx950 a lot better than the hx909? wondering if its worth upgrading to the newer set.
post #3660 of 4488
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Originally Posted by ordiesep88 View Post

Is the PQ on the hx950 a lot better than the hx909? wondering if its worth upgrading to the newer set.
The PQ is definitely better on the 950
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