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post #3721 of 4490
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Originally Posted by MaynardLD50 View Post

So here is the banding I'm seeing on my set. What do you guys think, am I being too picky? I didn't post the black level because it looks amazing, like the tv is off, which you already know smile.gif.

Its always hard to tell with pictures. Does not look too bad. The real test is watch a few movies and try (really try) not to look for it. I have found that if you just relax and stop trying to look for imprefections/banding/etc. you may stop seeing them. I had/have some banding/DSE on my TV (you can search for my pics) and I ended up keeping the set. Why? I found no dead/stuck pixels and aftet a while, I stopped noticing the banding. Looking at those pics, I think it looks pretty good (i.e. better than mine wink.gif)

But, I will say, its always a huge disappointment to see these issues on such an expensive TV. I can't say I am 100% happy with the TV but, overall, it still provides a great picture nearly all the time. I wish Sony (and other mfgs) could be more uniform and consistent with the uniformity of LCDs at this high price level. But, sadly, that is just no the case. Seems like this model is simply not the pinnacle of TV design and many/most have some level of non-uniformity/banding or DSE.

My advice.....

1. Stop looking at grey fields/patterns.
2. Watch some movies and play games on the TV and relax.

If, after 2 weeks, you still notice and the imperfections while watching cotent, you may decide to return or replace. But keep in mind, Sony LCDs even at this price level are not as consistently uniform as we would all like. Do a search here and you will find other with similar imperfections etc. its all about your perception of the issue when viewing normal content and NOT test patterns.
Edited by Padrino - 5/21/13 at 7:46pm
post #3722 of 4490
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Originally Posted by Padrino View Post

Its always hard to tell with pictures. Does not look too bad. The real test is watch a few movies and try (really try) not to look for it. I have found that if you just relax and stop trying to look for imprefections/banding/etc. you may stop seeing them. I had/have some banding/DSE on my TV (you can search for my pics) and I ended up keeping the set. Why? I found no dead/stuck pixels and aftet a while, I stopped noticing the banding. Looking at those pics, I think it looks pretty good (i.e. better than mine wink.gif)

But, I will say, its always a huge disappointment to see these issues on such an expensive TV. I can't say I am 100% happy with the TV but, overall, it still provides a great picture nearly all the time. I wish Sony (and other mfgs) could be more uniform and consistent with the uniformity of LCDs at this high price level. But, sadly, that is just no the case. Seems like this model is simply not the pinnacle of TV design and many/most have some level of non-uniformity/banding or DSE.

My advice.....

1. Stop looking at grey fields/patterns.
2. Watch some movies and play games on the TV and relax.

If, after 2 weeks, you still notice and the imperfections while watching cotent, you may decide to return or replace. But keep in mind, Sony LCDs even at this price level are not as consistently uniform as we would all like. Do a search here and you will find other with similar imperfections etc. its all about your perception of the issue when viewing normal content and NOT test patterns.

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a PERFECT TV panel.
post #3723 of 4490
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a PERFECT TV panel.
I don't know, OLED is looking that way smile.gif
post #3724 of 4490
Hi IMRIZZO...Could you please send me your calibration settings too? Thank you in advance!
post #3725 of 4490
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Originally Posted by MaynardLD50 View Post

I don't know, OLED is looking that way smile.gif

OLED has it's problems highly susceptible to IR and supposedly a short lifespan.not to mention $$$$$$$
post #3726 of 4490
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Originally Posted by AstroSniks View Post

Hi IMRIZZO...Could you please send me your calibration settings too? Thank you in advance!
check PM
post #3727 of 4490
Can you kindly sent that to me as well?
Also, in regards to my vertical banding, I decided to relax and watched and few moves, watched hockey and soccer as well. I am happy. If I am not looking for it, I can actually enjoy this set.
post #3728 of 4490
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Can you kindly sent that to me as well?
See PM enjoy
post #3729 of 4490
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Can you kindly sent that to me as well?
Also, in regards to my vertical banding, I decided to relax and watched and few moves, watched hockey and soccer as well. I am happy. If I am not looking for it, I can actually enjoy this set.

Me too! Rizzo, plz share your settings. Still trying to find the best combination. Thanks.
post #3730 of 4490
Hello. I've enjoyed my XBR-55HX9​50 for about two months, I thought it was outstanding until yesterday when I noticed a sort of backlight bleed along the left edge of my TV. mad.gif



What is this? frown.gif
post #3731 of 4490
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Originally Posted by DrLeeb View Post

Hello. I've enjoyed my XBR-55HX9​50 for about two months, I thought it was outstanding until yesterday when I noticed a sort of backlight bleed along the left edge of my TV. mad.gif



What is this? frown.gif

Contact SONY it appears to be a bad power board.
post #3732 of 4490
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

See PM

Hi IMRIZZO, could you PM me your settings also. Will pick up a demo 65HX950 tomorrow. On white and light colored screens there was no banding I could see. I did see some on the dark gray screens, but even then it didn't look too bad. That's in comparison to one I saw yesterday, which, as soon as I turned the corner into Magnolia, I could see the banding on all material. That was scary and I can't say that's the worst I have seen on a 65HX950 neither.

I have to admit though, for some reason the 55" sets just look spectacular in stores, with little or no banding at all, whereas the 65" sets can look washed out with banding too. Did they source the two panels from different companies?
post #3733 of 4490
It is heard that 65HX950 panel is SamsungLCD FQLF650DT02 ...
Can somebody of 65HX950 owner take a picture of the cell structure to confirm if it is a newS-PVA + PSA , or S-MVA panel?


About others, it has been mentioned before --> #1342

55HX820: SLCD FQLL550LT01
55HX850: SLCD FQLR550LT01 (old S-PVA + PSA)

46HX920: SLCD FQLR460LT01
55HX920: SLCD FQLR550LT01
65HX920: Innolux V645H1-PE1 (S-MVA)

55HX950: SLCD FQLF550DT02 (new S-PVA + PSA)


About Samsung ES8000 series, it is even more interesting. 3 sizes came from 3 different vendor sources...

55ES8000 : SLCD new S-PVA / PSA
60ES8000 : Sharp UV2A
65ES8000 : AUO A-MVA


About Samsung F series, it has been confirmed that even 46F6800's panel is new S-PVA + PSA panel type.

KDL-46/55W950A / W900A uses the same SLCD panel source, too.
Edited by tiger685287 - 5/24/13 at 11:12pm
post #3734 of 4490
I was not so impressed by the Sony XBR-X900A 4K LED 65" mdl Calibrated and displayed at The VE SHOOTOUT you actually had to be between 4 /5 feet to be able to see the super video quality but, as you move beyond that distance it was gone and still suffered from off axis I'm sure it would have been better if it lit by full array LEDs. IMO. Anyway my feelings are that, with the 929's & 950"s, if you have a nice panel , enjoy, because you maybe looking at the end of full array displays ?? And accessible OLED's in large sizes 55" & up will be very expensive and who knows what hidden headaches they may have ? Too expensive to gamble and lose. UNLESS something Jumps out at me, but till then I'm quite happy. I think that if anyone is hesitating, you maybe out of luck .....supply / demand will dry up any stock as no new panels being produced. the 65" has been 'popping up' at various big websites at discounted prices and Magnolia Stores are "unloading" current stk good prices clearing for new product line. Don't hesitate long if yer lookin' LED HD .................IMHO
Edited by IMRIZZO - 5/25/13 at 2:45pm
post #3735 of 4490
As I posted elsewhere forum, last week i brought an open box version of the 65hx950 at deal I just could not pass up.

It was delivered yesterday and have been trying to get everything setup and checked out for the last 24 hours. Really worried at first and spent the first few hours trying to find any of the issues written up.

No dead pixels, no banding, no blooming (even when i play with the tv menu while watching something else) - whew. Well i figure if I dont notice anything instantly - then its good enough. Im sure someone with a "microscope" will always find something wrong with any screen.

Watched a couple of movies with dark scenes like 300 and Tin Tin - even when i freeze play, everything looks great.

Even checked it out when the screen was completely blacked out while ATV was updating software and no banding as far as i could see.

Was satisfied when I noticed the horizontal bars are not discernable from the top and bottom edges of the screen. When credits roll on a movie its really hard to tell the screen from black trim ... very impressive. If I was to nit pcik there might be some faint light coming through but thats only because I'm desperately looking for it and im no longer watching the movie.

Regardless - its still far far less than any other flat screen I've owned or seen.

So I'm happy with the set so far. Monday its goes on a wall smile.gif

I have 2 weeks to return it but I am going to just enjoy the shows from now on.

Anything else i should try out?


[Imrizzo - can you send me the settings you use? Thank you.[/I][/COLOR]]
post #3736 of 4490
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Originally Posted by tiger685287 View Post

It is heard that 65HX950 panel is SamsungLCD FQLF650DT02 ...
Can somebody of 65HX950 owner take a picture of the cell structure to confirm if it is a newS-PVA + PSA , or S-MVA panel?

How can you tell which is which? Also why would Sony use a Samsung panel and Samsung use a sharp?
About others, it has been mentioned before --> #1342

55HX820: SLCD FQLL550LT01
55HX850: SLCD FQLR550LT01 (old S-PVA + PSA)

46HX920: SLCD FQLR460LT01
55HX920: SLCD FQLR550LT01
65HX920: Innolux V645H1-PE1 (S-MVA)

55HX950: SLCD FQLF550DT02 (new S-PVA + PSA)


About Samsung ES8000 series, it is even more interesting. 3 sizes came from 3 different vendor sources...

55ES8000 : SLCD new S-PVA / PSA
60ES8000 : Sharp UV2A
65ES8000 : AUO A-MVA


About Samsung F series, it has been confirmed that even 46F6800's panel is new S-PVA + PSA panel type.

KDL-46/55W950A / W900A uses the same SLCD panel source, too.
post #3737 of 4490
Sony did not build his own LCD factory. Instead he invested SLCD.
So Sony and Samsung were the founders of SLCD company --- Sony owned 49% and Samsung owned 51% previously.
Now it is 100% owned by Samsung.

This year Samsung invested 3% of Sharp G10 Sekai (堺工廠), which has the lowest cost of producing 60" panel. This is the action to have guaranteed 60" panel supplying from this factory because Terry Kuo (郭台銘, the boss of Foxconn) has acquired 30% ownership of this factory last year. He hates Samsung... biggrin.gif

Samsung UN60ES8000 --> #161

obviously .. UV2A cell structure layut ... biggrin.gif




Samsung UN65ES8000 --> #165

The photo is not clear. Sub-pixel arrangement is flipped if compared to new S-PVA/PSA. It indeed look like A-MVA PSA type cell structure.



On the Samsung 55F8000, it gets exactly the same sub-pixel layout with 55HX950 / 55ES7000 / 55ES8000.


Edited by tiger685287 - 5/26/13 at 2:25am
post #3738 of 4490
I have been following this thread since it started and wanted this TV but couldn't justify the price. I was stunned to see it discontinued so quickly and have been forced to make up my mind. I have a chance to get this TV at my local BB out of box but I need the stand and all related parts to mount it to the TV. Does anyone have theirs wall mounted and could sell me their stand?
post #3739 of 4490
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Originally Posted by raysinflorida View Post

I have been following this thread since it started and wanted this TV but couldn't justify the price. I was stunned to see it discontinued so quickly and have been forced to make up my mind. I have a chance to get this TV at my local BB out of box but I need the stand and all related parts to mount it to the TV. Does anyone have theirs wall mounted and could sell me their stand?

I would suggest you go back to the earlier pages of this thread and members wall mounting their panels most of them don't post any longer but you could try sending a PM
post #3740 of 4490
Thank you IMRIZZO. I will try that. Would you also PM your settings to me.
post #3741 of 4490
Really good value on a UPS that won't burn up your TV's power supply on battery. Sine wave output...

Thought I'd pass the savings along to anyone who's interested.

APC SMT750 Smart-UPS 750VA LCD 120V $229 normally $278

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MZW5KE/
post #3742 of 4490
I will be mounting mine tomorrow. Please PM me with details of where you are, how much, etc.
post #3743 of 4490
Does anyone run Plex client on their hx950 directly?

As a back up I'm planning to run Plex media server on my mac and then run the plex client form my ps3.

But was really hoping run the Plex client directly from the HX950 since it is DLNA compliant.

Ofcourse im still trying to figure how to get to the dlna related apps... do I need to create a yahoo ID for this? I hope not.

Thanks,

-George
Edited by GJVT60 - 5/26/13 at 10:39pm
post #3744 of 4490
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Originally Posted by GJVT60 View Post

Does anyone run Plex client on their hx950 directly?

As a back up I'm planning to run Plex media server on my mac and then run the plex client form my ps3.

But was really hoping run the Plex client directly from the HX950 since it is DLNA compliant.

Ofcourse im still trying to figure how to get to the dlna related apps... do I need to create a yahoo ID for this? I hope not.

Thanks,

-George

FYI I've already set up media option to seek out any server running on my home network (mac connected wirelessly). The problem is it finds my plex server and the right folders and then gives up and returns to the menu or says "The Server is not accessible. Please try again later."

The first time through I was to see my movie folders but they were clearly not on the plex client since the cover art wasnt there. I exited and came back in and now I get nothing.

Any ideas?
post #3745 of 4490
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Originally Posted by raysinflorida View Post

Thank you IMRIZZO. I will try that. Would you also PM your settings to me.
see pm
post #3746 of 4490
IMRIZZO: Could you PM me your latest settings.

Thank you in advance.
post #3747 of 4490
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

See PM enjoy

I like your settings better than my own. It brings a nice pop to my picture. On the downside my vertical banding is a bit more obvious. I watched Life of Pi on 3D BR last night. I saw banding on maybe 2 scenes, which is pretty acceptable since the picture and 3D blew me away.

However, I notice my banding more on 2D TV content. My GF watches a LOT of HGTV. It has lots of panning scenes. Last night's hockey game showed the banding as well. I have stopped looking for this flaw when watching TV by it does pop at me here and there and bugs me. it is becoming distracting, like I have to make an effort to ignore it.

Geek Squad will come to visit me in a week since I have a 5 Yr warranty.
What should I expect?
Are they accepting of this problem?
Do they offer an exchange?
If I don't like the new set for similar or other flaws, do they keep exchanging? or is there some other policy they follow?
post #3748 of 4490
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

I like your settings better than my own. It brings a nice pop to my picture. On the downside my vertical banding is a bit more obvious. I watched Life of Pi on 3D BR last night. I saw banding on maybe 2 scenes, which is pretty acceptable since the picture and 3D blew me away.

However, I notice my banding more on 2D TV content. My GF watches a LOT of HGTV. It has lots of panning scenes. Last night's hockey game showed the banding as well. I have stopped looking for this flaw when watching TV by it does pop at me here and there and bugs me. it is becoming distracting, like I have to make an effort to ignore it.

Geek Squad will come to visit me in a week since I have a 5 Yr warranty.
What should I expect?
Are they accepting of this problem?
Do they offer an exchange?
If I don't like the new set for similar or other flaws, do they keep exchanging? or is there some other policy they follow?

If they do acknowledge the problem, then your stuck with the resolution returning the display and receiving a refurbed panel, there are not many NEW panels still available.
post #3749 of 4490
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

If they do acknowledge the problem, then your stuck with the resolution returning the display and receiving a refurbed panel, there are not many NEW panels still available.

I should be fine with that given I bought the TV as a 8 month old display unit.
post #3750 of 4490
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

I like your settings better than my own. It brings a nice pop to my picture. On the downside my vertical banding is a bit more obvious. I watched Life of Pi on 3D BR last night. I saw banding on maybe 2 scenes, which is pretty acceptable since the picture and 3D blew me away.

However, I notice my banding more on 2D TV content. My GF watches a LOT of HGTV. It has lots of panning scenes. Last night's hockey game showed the banding as well. I have stopped looking for this flaw when watching TV by it does pop at me here and there and bugs me. it is becoming distracting, like I have to make an effort to ignore it.

Geek Squad will come to visit me in a week since I have a 5 Yr warranty.
What should I expect?
Are they accepting of this problem?
Do they offer an exchange?
If I don't like the new set for similar or other flaws, do they keep exchanging? or is there some other policy they follow?
Quote:
Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

I like your settings better than my own. It brings a nice pop to my picture. On the downside my vertical banding is a bit more obvious. I watched Life of Pi on 3D BR last night. I saw banding on maybe 2 scenes, which is pretty acceptable since the picture and 3D blew me away.

However, I notice my banding more on 2D TV content. My GF watches a LOT of HGTV. It has lots of panning scenes. Last night's hockey game showed the banding as well. I have stopped looking for this flaw when watching TV by it does pop at me here and there and bugs me. it is becoming distracting, like I have to make an effort to ignore it.

Geek Squad will come to visit me in a week since I have a 5 Yr warranty.
What should I expect?
Are they accepting of this problem?
Do they offer an exchange?
If I don't like the new set for similar or other flaws, do they keep exchanging? or is there some other policy they follow?

I am in the exact same situation but only have a few days left on my amazon return window. I am impressed with the color, clarity, and overall picture but am really struggling with this banding issue. I probably watched the same HGTV and hockey last night as you and fought myself to not be irritated by the panning scenes. A non moving/non panning scene (natl news, Leno, The Voice, Sportscenter)can be stunning even on a direcTV source......until the camera pans, especially with a light colored background. Not sure if there is anything better for the price or the tradeoff of other irritations such as the led edge bleed, poor blacks, etc.

I see 5 distinct stripe zones on my 65" and am curious if a refurb exchange from Sony might be worth a shot since Amazon is out of the new units?!

Anyone have any experience with Sony refurbs? Some manufacturers such as Apple are much more particular than others. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thx for sharing your settings IMRIZZO!
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