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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

Sorry to hear about that **** buddy and I wish things would have went a little better. They should have offered you the demo HX950 as an even swap! Sometimes I don't know what the hell Sony is thinking. That being said I aint surprised in the least that the 950 has better PQ then the W9. Hope you have better luck with your new Samsung. I would have bought one awhile ago but I feel their Customer service is terrible and I simply don't trust their products. But that's just me.
Unfortunately I think customer service is generally bad everywhere on TVs frown.gif

Even "the best" Sharp Elite service sucked for me.
post #4172 of 4483
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

Sorry to hear about that **** buddy and I wish things would have went a little better. They should have offered you the demo HX950 as an even swap! Sometimes I don't know what the hell Sony is thinking. That being said I aint surprised in the least that the 950 has better PQ then the W9. Hope you have better luck with your new Samsung. I would have bought one awhile ago but I feel their Customer service is terrible and I simply don't trust their products. But that's just me.

Thanks Steve, I hear you about Samsungs Customer Service, although I had good experience with them in the past. For me the F8500 is an improvement compared to the HX950. And having dealt with Sony's customer service recently, I have to say that I am not impressed......
post #4173 of 4483
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

Sorry to hear about that **** buddy and I wish things would have went a little better. They should have offered you the demo HX950 as an even swap! Sometimes I don't know what the hell Sony is thinking. That being said I aint surprised in the least that the 950 has better PQ then the W9. Hope you have better luck with your new Samsung. I would have bought one awhile ago but I feel their Customer service is terrible and I simply don't trust their products. But that's just me.

Thanks Steve, I hear you about Samsungs Customer Service, although I had good experience with them in the past. For me the F8500 is an improvement compared to the HX950. And having dealt with Sony's customer service recently, I have to say that I am not impressed......


I don't blame you for not being impressed with their Customer Service. If I were in your shoes I would feel the same way. But again I hope you have better luck with your Samsung.
post #4174 of 4483
..........Sorry you suffered the Sony Blues, but congrats on the Samsung 8500, it was this years winner at the shootout and it was an excellent set and great PQ. I was at the shootout this year and was quite impressed with it's performance.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57584396-221/samsung-f8500-plasma-wins-value-electronics-shootout/
Good luck & enjoy.

................................................................................................da Rizz'
Edited by IMRIZZO - 9/24/13 at 5:33pm
post #4175 of 4483
Dr Paul Darbee (a video enhancement innovator) has passed on..
RIP Dr Darbee.
post #4176 of 4483

Good.A Blu Ray or HD feed of some nature scenes or most say that the Dark Night is a good one.

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Good.A Blu Ray or HD feed of some nature scenes or most say that the Dark Night is a good one.
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Originally Posted by chenjuanhuo View Post

Good.A Blu Ray or HD feed of some nature scenes or most say that the Dark Night is a good one.
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What? Ok I am lost on what your trying to say.
post #4179 of 4483
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What? Ok I am lost on what your trying to say.

I think he was posting somewhere else ..........Twilight zone maybe ?
post #4180 of 4483
I have a question for 65" owners of this Amazing TV im on my 3rd now and luckily the last one i found Sealed in the Box in the Whole Canada,
anyways my question is: are there any owners out there that do not have Vertical banding Problems on 65" set.
I had 3 in last month and i checked at least 6 more left over demos around BB and Sony store and every single one had banding problem.

Now this one i got its absolutely perfect best of 3 i had (no dead pixels or any clouding without local dimming) but the banding is still there its not as
heavy as my friends 75" f8000 but i can notice it.
Now i love this TV and is replacing my 55" XBR8 and i looked everywhere and there is no TV that can match this one Period i hate plasmas.

So wondering about people owning 65" sets are you guys just got used to vertical banding or just plane ignoring it or you just stop noticing it after a while?
I have 3 weeks to return this TV but there is nothing out there to replace this one with frown.gif

And i don't believe there is single 65" set without Banding Problems.
post #4181 of 4483
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Originally Posted by gamingarena View Post

I have a question for 65" owners of this Amazing TV im on my 3rd now and luckily the last one i found Sealed in the Box in the Whole Canada,
anyways my question is: are there any owners out there that do not have Vertical banding Problems on 65" set.
I had 3 in last month and i checked at least 6 more left over demos around BB and Sony store and every single one had banding problem.

Now this one i got its absolutely perfect best of 3 i had (no dead pixels or any clouding without local dimming) but the banding is still there its not as
heavy as my friends 75" f8000 but i can notice it.
Now i love this TV and is replacing my 55" XBR8 and i looked everywhere and there is no TV that can match this one Period i hate plasmas.

So wondering about people owning 65" sets are you guys just got used to vertical banding or just plane ignoring it or you just stop noticing it after a while?
I have 3 weeks to return this TV but there is nothing out there to replace this one with frown.gif

And i don't believe there is single 65" set without Banding Problems.

Banding is inherent on almost every large panel (65" or more) to some degree or another. This is an unfortunate reality, if your has it to a minor degree then your ahead of the game, enjoy.
post #4182 of 4483
It's prevalent in panels smaller than 65" as well.
post #4183 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Banding is inherent on almost every large panel (65" or more) to some degree or another. This is an unfortunate reality, if your has it to a minor degree then your ahead of the game, enjoy.

Yeah i guess i live with that, the PQ is just too good to pass and who knows if we ever gonna get any FALD screen again in the nearfuture and 4K its just not interesting at this time.
post #4184 of 4483

Hey guys

Im not gonna read the entire thread way too long.

 

How does this tv compare to the Sony XBR-65X900A 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D LED UHDTV (Black)

 

Does this tv come in sizes larger than 65?

post #4185 of 4483
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Hey guys
Im not gonna read the entire thread way too long.

How does this tv compare to the Sony XBR-65X900A 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D LED UHDTV (Black)

Does this tv come in sizes larger than 65?

This is a better set than the 900A, and n 65" is the largest size available.
Next time at least skim thru the thread.
post #4186 of 4483
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Hey guys
Im not gonna read the entire thread way too long.

How does this tv compare to the Sony XBR-65X900A 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D LED UHDTV (Black)

Does this tv come in sizes larger than 65?

I noticed you bought the X900a. Are you not happy with it?
post #4187 of 4483

Yes totally happy,

 

However before buying the X9 i tested a whole bunch of tv's and eliminated them one by one. This whole elimination process took 6 weeks.

 

I never tested these other Sony tv's, so I feel a little guilty.

 

Originally i wanted a 70"+, but when i saw the PQ on the 65" x9...i was blown away.

post #4188 of 4483
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Yes totally happy,

However before buying the X9 i tested a whole bunch of tv's and eliminated them one by one. This whole elimination process took 6 weeks.

I never tested these other Sony tv's, so I feel a little guilty.

Originally i wanted a 70"+, but when i saw the PQ on the 65" x9...i was blown away.

I have been trying to decide what to do for my set. I am leaning towards the soon to be released W850a but the 950 is still on my radar. The Banding issue is the only thing really holding me back but it seems to be pretty common on most 65" sets. It's hard to justify the price of the 900a when the 950 easily holds its own against it (and it's a lot cheaper especially with the closeout price). I have seen a 950 side by side with a 900a and was more impressed with the 950. They were both playing 1080p content. It's really hard to trump a full array local dimming set. The 900a is very impressive though and I might have considered it if it was cheaper. I'm actually one of the few that like the speakers on it because I need a simple set up with having kids and all.
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A lot of us who wanted to wait for the  4k 850 to come out (the one without speakers), agree that the PQ is better on the x9. It has more of a "Wow" factor.

 

I'm really confused about the W850a? I have never seen this one. I do know that the The tri-luminous display is amazing on the x9. 

 

I had better go see the W850a because i need a second tv for the bedroom anyway.

post #4190 of 4483
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

A lot of us who wanted to wait for the  4k 850 to come out (the one without speakers), agree that the PQ is better on the x9. It has more of a "Wow" factor.

I'm really confused about the W850a? I have never seen this one. I do know that the The tri-luminous display is amazing on the x9. 

I had better go see the W850a because i need a second tv for the bedroom anyway.

It's suppose to be the big brother to the W900. I think the motionflow is cut in half (from the W900) but almost everything else is the same but a bigger size. I am not sure if the picture will be as good as the W900 though.
post #4191 of 4483
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

A lot of us who wanted to wait for the  4k 850 to come out (the one without speakers), agree that the PQ is better on the x9. It has more of a "Wow" factor.

I'm really confused about the W850a? I have never seen this one. I do know that the The tri-luminous display is amazing on the x9. 

I had better go see the W850a because i need a second tv for the bedroom anyway.

Innolux has got big orders from Panasonic and Toshiba for the 4K panel. They are used on the new 4K models coming out in 2013Q3/Q4. No wonder they are all active 3D models...

So I have mentioned it has the possibility that XBR-65X850A is based on Innolux S-MVA 4K panel -- for cost-down purpose, too. So does the 65W850A based on 120Hz S-MVA FHD one. Actually Innolux provides many sizes for 4K panel, but definitely with active 3D design. If 65X850A's panel is from AUO just like 65X900A, there is no need for Sony to choose the active 3D type 4K panel... If 65W850A's panel is from LG just like all other W800A models, there is no need for Sony to choose the active 3D design, either.

ps: I forgot to mention that the 2nd version of 42W800A has been changed to use AUO FPR 3D panel.


http://www.innolux.com/Pages/Dyn/Product2_EN.aspx?cateN=LCD%20TV%20Application&Language=EN


This year AUO and Innolux do not seem to provide 240Hz FHD panel to consumer TV vendors. The last seen ones were XBR-65HX929 / KDL-65HX920 / KDL-65HX950 China version (which all are based on the same Innolux S-MVA panel native CR 5000:1 at direct-viewing), and 65ES8000 (AUO AMVA / PSA panel -- AMVA3 grade --- at least native CR 5000:1 at direct-viewing ).

XBR-65HX950 uses the SLCD 240Hz new S-PVA/PSA panel, which definitly still had some yield-rate issue last year. So it was why HX950 was EOL so quickly. The new S-PVA/PSA panel's native CR is not as excellent. It is around 1500 ~ 1600:1 for the 55" size measured on 55HX950 / 55F8000. 46F8000 gets the CR 2800:1, which must be another story...


Samsung 65F9000 4K TV panel's part number is SLCD CY-KF650FSLV1V, which is obviously S-PVA / PSA cell structure -- according to the captured photo.


About the Toshiba Z8X 4K TV series, it is more interesting. 3 sizes' panels definitely come from different vendors because

84Z8X - passive 3D / IPS --> no need to said ... must be LG.
65Z8X - passive 3D / VA --> most likely AUO. LG does not make VA-type LCD TV panel although he has 65" size.
58Z8X - active 3D / VA --> Innolux ... because of 58" size. translated review
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Hi guys, I have the opportunity to pick up a 65" X950 at an incredible price (too good to pass up). I read both Tom Nortons' review on HT.com and Cnet's review.
My only concerns with this TV are THE BLOOMING ISSUE & THE BANDING.
I have a 60" Pioneer Kuro, and even on the Kuro I get some banding depending on the source. The BLOOMING issue is my main concern.
How bad is it really, please be honest. I can't go through all 140 pages of this thread, so if someone can list the issues or problems, if any, with this set, it would be very helpful.

Thank you in advance.

Paul
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Hi guys, I have the opportunity to pick up a 65" X950 at an incredible price (too good to pass up). I read both Tom Nortons' review on HT.com and Cnet's review.
My only concerns with this TV are THE BLOOMING ISSUE & THE BANDING.
I have a 60" Pioneer Kuro, and even on the Kuro I get some banding depending on the source. The BLOOMING issue is my main concern.
How bad is it really, please be honest. I can't go through all 140 pages of this thread, so if someone can list the issues or problems, if any, with this set, it would be very helpful.

Thank you in advance.

Paul

Blooming is non issue is not that bad at all as long as you are centered to the screen , banding is bigger issue is not that bad either compared to other sets Sharp or Samsung but if you are sensible to them it might bother you.

Overall its fantastic set and probably the best set you can still get your hands on, the pitch blacks that produces are just absolutely fantastic makes other sets look like 2nd grade TVs.
I had Samsung f8000 beside it and there is no comparison.

We all wish to find perfect no issue sets but looks like there are always some compromise to be made, depends what you want and what you can live with or ignore.

This is as bad or as good you will get with this sets i tried at least 7-8 they all have similar degree of banding.
Take note that the screen bellow is where the banding is most noticeable, in regular viewing its very hard to see it if at all usually in fast moving scenes with light colors mostly light blue like a sky etc.

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Edited by gamingarena - 10/4/13 at 11:46am
post #4194 of 4483
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Hi guys, I have the opportunity to pick up a 65" X950 at an incredible price (too good to pass up). I read both Tom Nortons' review on HT.com and Cnet's review.
My only concerns with this TV are THE BLOOMING ISSUE & THE BANDING.
I have a 60" Pioneer Kuro, and even on the Kuro I get some banding depending on the source. The BLOOMING issue is my main concern.
How bad is it really, please be honest. I can't go through all 140 pages of this thread, so if someone can list the issues or problems, if any, with this set, it would be very helpful.

Thank you in advance.

Paul

with the proper settings most blooming is negligible with good shadow detail and deep rich colors.and deep blacks.
post #4195 of 4483
Thanks again for the input guys....I am off to the dealer tomorrow to see the 65" HX950 that they have on display, I will bring some of my BD discs and see how certain familiar content looks on this set.

Paul
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Thanks again for the input guys....I am off to the dealer tomorrow to see the 65" HX950 that they have on display, I will bring some of my BD discs and see how certain familiar content looks on this set.

Paul

hope you find a good one .......
post #4197 of 4483
Thanks IMRIZZO, are there "BAD"ones out there that I should be aware of......speak now or forever hold your peace .....LOL

Paul
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Thanks IMRIZZO, are there "BAD"ones out there that I should be aware of......speak now or forever hold your peace .....LOL

Paul

Some suffer banding anomalies to varying degrees.Some early panels had some dead pixel problems....resolved ?
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The only thing I wish my HX850 had that the HX950 has is the lit up Sony logo. Sucks Sony never added that feature on the HX850.
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

The only thing I wish my HX850 had that the HX950 has is the lit up Sony logo. Sucks Sony never added that feature on the HX850.

I think it's a good decision that Sony choose not to have a lit up logo or hopefully one could turn it off in the units that do have it.
One should only see the tv screen in a room as black as possible when viewing.
Notice how black a movie theaters room gets when the movie starts. How distracting would a big lit up logo be under the movie theaters screen be.
I've gone into the menu for all my gear to turn off the front panel lights. The Dish dvr I couldn't so I put black electrical tape over the all the printed logos and leds so that unit also disappears into the background.

People spend a lot of money when setting up their HT rooms and that includes making the room a pitch black as possible. They don't want anything lit up to distract from the main screen.
So look at the bright side, no bright log is a good thing (pun intended). One less light source to distract from watching the screen.

People are always comparing tv brands looking for the best picture, in terms of accurate color, inky blacks, contrast etc, no banding, clouding, halos whatever fault one has to live with. They want the best picture they can get. However no one talks about how making the wall behind the tv as black as possible will make the tv look better. Darken the rest of the room will improve on that also, just like a movie theater does.
Edited by bekindrewind - 10/5/13 at 9:52am
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