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post #421 of 3718
10/3/12 at 9:47am
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I'm saying you are FLAT OUT WRONG!! From Cleveland Plasma's site: PRO-70X5FD MSRP $8499 Call for best price
As if they're going to give it to me for under $6K when they list $8499. You are delusional. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 60" IT IS TOO SMALL!

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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

your wrong..i could of bought the 70" elite 10 months agofor 6k from him. who gives a crap what it says on his site. why don't you call him to prove yourself wrong. btw,who gives a hoot about the the elite pricing i'm pretty sure the 950 members are tried of discussing this
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

I'm saying you are FLAT OUT WRONG!! From Cleveland Plasma's site: PRO-70X5FD MSRP $8499 Call for best price
As if they're going to give it to me for under $6K when they list $8499. You are delusional. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 60" IT IS TOO SMALL!

Not that I want to get into the whole Sharp Elite debate but just because the website says $8500 doesn't mean anything. There's a local furniture store in my area that sells alot of high-end items including electronics. They have the Sony HX850 55" listed for $2899 (not a bundle) on their site but it's $1999 in their store. Just sayin'.
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post #422 of 3718
10/3/12 at 9:50am
when will HX950 be available in Canada? still can't order from dealer.
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post #423 of 3718
10/3/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

when will HX950 be available in Canada? still can't order from dealer.

Local Sony stores are taking orders for mid to late October delivery. Give them a call.
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post #424 of 3718
10/3/12 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Flavius 

Actually, Barrett is pretty much dead on in terms of plasma limitations. I have owned several different plasmas and an LCD. More plasmas than LCDs to be honest, but never again. The whites are not yellow, but if you have an all white screen, that white is going to look at best bright gray compared to the same white being just a small square on the screen, thanks to ABL.

And motion resolution? No, that depends on how you define motion resolution. BLUR is almost non-existent on plasmas, true, but judder is an extreme problem still, and since most plasmas have no motion interpolation, plasmas are just judder hell, especially for gamers with consoles that have 30FPS limited games. Flashing, ghosting double images galore.

But let's not get into this... arguing about plasma vs LCD is like arguing about religion or politics.
A quote from a VT50 review
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we accept that Plasma images aren't for everyone

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-VT50-TX-P50VT50B-P55VT50B-P65VT50B-50-Inch-Flagship-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_282/Review.html
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post #425 of 3718
10/3/12 at 1:45pm
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A quote from a VT50 review
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-VT50-TX-P50VT50B-P55VT50B-P65VT50B-50-Inch-Flagship-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_282/Review.html

The subject of this thread is not the VT50!
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post #426 of 3718
10/3/12 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by mike50 

The subject of this thread is not the VT50!
That post was not about the VT50, what it was about is that even experts start recognising that Plasma isn't for everyone. You should do some reading first before you start posting wink.gif
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post #427 of 3718
10/3/12 at 2:26pm
I can assure everyone that the price is in the 6K range for the 70" Elite.
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post #428 of 3718
10/3/12 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

That post was not about the VT50, what it was about is that even experts start recognising that Plasma isn't for everyone. You should do some reading first before you start posting wink.gif

I did. The point is that there are other threads to discuss the pros and cons of plasma HDTV. This one is reserved for the lcd XBR-xxHX950.
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post #429 of 3718
10/3/12 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I can assure everyone that the price is in the 6K range for the 70" Elite.

I rest my case...rolleyes.gif
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post #430 of 3718
10/3/12 at 4:32pm
Thread Starter 
Sharp Elite vs HX950 --> http://www.avsforum.com/t/1431389/decisions-decisions-elite-70-now-or-sony-hx950-or-other-in-next-couple-months

Sharp Elite Pricing --> http://www.avsforum.com/t/1374144/sharp-elite-prices

LCD vs PDP -->
The first 3 relevant threads in the Flat Panel General & New FP Tech Forum...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/767932/lcd-or-plasma-plasma-or-lcd-and-why-those-black-bars-discuss-it-here-only-please
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1431456/led-vs-plasma-vs-glare
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1431008/okay-here-comes-another-led-vs-plasma-thread
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post #431 of 3718
10/3/12 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

A quote from a VT50 review
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-VT50-TX-P50VT50B-P55VT50B-P65VT50B-50-Inch-Flagship-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_282/Review.html

the complete quote says it pretty well...

"We accept that plasma images aren’t for everyone but it’s our firm belief that they still produce the finest pictures"
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post #432 of 3718
10/3/12 at 5:47pm
Gonna take the topic back to the XBR again. rolleyes.gif

Sorry about that Mike. Here is the video I put together last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Uw-wVpdjw&feature=share&list=ULe7Uw-wVpdjw

As far as gradients go they look perfect. Also, the film was just put together with a Sony Cyper-Shot DSC-TX1 still camera, but the picture and brightness settings I've been using (near defaults) achieve the proper response on the test screen. Brightness settings of about 50 achieve the ideal black at 16GL, and brightness set at 95-100 achieve the match at the ideal brightness at 235GL, and have a max 7% brightness headroom at the end of the range at 255GL. I adjust to where the last set of blocks just washed out and back off 1 on the setting. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

hi,
sorry, what is the URL? Pls.
I'm not sure I'll be able to see it via yourtube.
What do you see by your eyes and not by camera?
Do you see black at 001 and white at 254?
Do you see bands or all linear gradient?
tnx
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post #433 of 3718
10/3/12 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I can assure everyone that the price is in the 6K range for the 70" Elite.

And if they fix the color issue I'll be the first to call you and order one. On a more important note....what are your impressions on the 950? I know that you said Chad was eventually coming in to review it 6 days ago.. Looking forward to his review
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post #434 of 3718
10/3/12 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Gonna take the topic back to the XBR again. rolleyes.gif
Sorry about that Mike. Here is the video I put together last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Uw-wVpdjw&feature=share&list=ULe7Uw-wVpdjw
As far as gradients go they look perfect. Also, the film was just put together with a Sony Cyper-Shot DSC-TX1 still camera, but the picture and brightness settings I've been using (near defaults) achieve the proper response on the test screen. Brightness settings of about 50 achieve the ideal black at 16GL, and brightness set at 95-100 achieve the match at the ideal brightness at 235GL, and have a max 7% brightness headroom at the end of the range at 255GL. I adjust to where the last set of blocks just washed out and back off 1 on the setting. cool.gif

Are you able to get into the advanced setting like gamma , r g b gain just by using the normal video settings menu or are you using some calibration tools?
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post #435 of 3718
10/3/12 at 6:01pm
Well it arrived a couple of hours ago. My worry about getting it setup was unfounded, this was included in the overall price from Magnolia (they matched the online price I had found and covered Calif tax and shipping/delivery). Now comes the fun of playing with the WOW disk and setting. I'm using as initial setting from jmjuker as start and just watched a few scenes from Titanic (2D Blue Ray) - great looking so far.
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post #436 of 3718
10/3/12 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Gonna take the topic back to the XBR again. rolleyes.gif

Thank you. smile.gif
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post #437 of 3718
10/3/12 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by bzal1122 View Post

Are you able to get into the advanced setting like gamma , r g b gain just by using the normal video settings menu or are you using some calibration tools?

Yep. It's just under Picture Adjustments->Advanced Settings->White Balance. It's shown in the WOW walkthrough that I just posted to give you an idea how the settings are organized.

My current RGB gain settings were based on viewing at an oblique angle and backing off to -1,-1,-1 as this settings lowered the black level slightly. Any lower than -1 had no effect. These are the same gains used in the following review:

http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-bravia-xbr-55hx929-3d-led-lcd-hdtv-ht-labs-measures

I'm starting with my RGB bias slightly tweaked at (-5,0-5) to slightly reduce red and blue as performed in the above review. The main difference is that they did this using the Warm 2 Whitepoint setting, while I am currently using Warm 1. I believe the other review we saw earlier in the thread also reduced R and B when using Warm 1. It's something I'll work on soon using a high-brightness piece of printer paper.
Edited by jmjunker - 10/3/12 at 6:20pm
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post #438 of 3718
10/3/12 at 6:19pm
Nice! Perfect size for that table too. IMO the base looks great. wink.gif

The black monolith with just a splash of anthracite to match the iPhones-esque chamfered metal edge is right. Such a nice change over a boring black plastic stand. The accent is actually subtle and well appreciated. Also, the arc contrasts nicely with the rectilinear design.

Also the stand is solid, has butter-like pivoting motion, and tilts back to a detent that gives the TV a 5˚ upward angle, if desired.

Eventually, I'll wall mount, but I'm digging the aesthetics and everyday it grows on me more. It's like sometimes when you see a new car that you are not quite sure about, and then a year later you love it, and prefer greatly to the previous design. cool.gif
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post #439 of 3718
10/3/12 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Gonna take the topic back to the XBR again. rolleyes.gif
Sorry about that Mike. Here is the video I put together last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Uw-wVpdjw&feature=share&list=ULe7Uw-wVpdjw
As far as gradients go they look perfect. Also, the film was just put together with a Sony Cyper-Shot DSC-TX1 still camera, but the picture and brightness settings I've been using (near defaults) achieve the proper response on the test screen. Brightness settings of about 50 achieve the ideal black at 16GL, and brightness set at 95-100 achieve the match at the ideal brightness at 235GL, and have a max 7% brightness headroom at the end of the range at 255GL. I adjust to where the last set of blocks just washed out and back off 1 on the setting. cool.gif

thanks for the reply ;-)
pls. don't take me wrong - what you have done is "calibration" for your BRay player
yes, it comes with recommendations to clip of 0-16 and upper white 16 as well for BR movies.
While, I'm looking at XBR LCD as universal monitor to use for simple photo editing and gaming from PC (HTPC) via HDMI/DVI 1:1 pixel mapping with FULL RGB 0-254
This is why I asked about static patterns for blacks and whites to know dynamic range.
This is kinda important for gaming to be able to see in dark and shadows and it might not be so important at whites as at blacks.
Do you have or plan to use PC as video source?
What do you use for gaming if any?

How far you can push backlight to not have much light leakage through LCD with and without LD?

Do you use 24P or 60P output from your BRay?

tnx
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post #440 of 3718
10/3/12 at 7:06pm
I didn't see this posted earlier but the 65" is IN STOCK and on sale for $4999.99 right now at SonyStyle wink.gif

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666483159
Edited by jmjunker - 10/3/12 at 10:53pm
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post #441 of 3718
10/3/12 at 7:22pm
With regards to whites I already mentioned I had headroom above 235 up to 255 and can see all increments of whiter-than-white in the 8-bit grayscale domain. And yes since it can basically go to 0 it can achieve essentially pure black. You can raise the brightness to resolve <16GL if you want.

Yes, I keep a MacBook Pro dedicated as a Media Server connected via DVI to HDMI. PS3 Gaming. Primarily GT5 and F1 2012 drivers.

I'd probably suggest that you take in some stills or screen grabs of what you want on a USB drive to your local retailer to demo if can do specifically what you are looking for.
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post #442 of 3718
10/3/12 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

With regards to whites I already mentioned I had headroom above 235 up to 255 and can see all increments of whiter-than-white in the 8-bit grayscale domain. And yes since it can basically go to 0 it can achieve essentially pure black. You can raise the brightness to resolve <16GL if you want.
Yes, I keep a MacBook Pro dedicated as a Media Server connected via DVI to HDMI. PS3 Gaming. Primarily GT5 and F1 2012 drivers.
I'd probably suggest that you take in some stills or screen grabs of what you want on a USB drive to your local retailer to demo if can do specifically what you are looking for.

I wonder what the Mll would be measured at on these sets!
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post #443 of 3718
10/3/12 at 8:01pm
I wonder if the stand on the 65" will allow it to swivel left and right. I consider this a hell of a lot more important than being able to swivel up and down like it does.,
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post #444 of 3718
10/3/12 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

the complete quote says it pretty well...
"We accept that plasma images aren’t for everyone but it’s our firm belief that they still produce the finest pictures"

Gotta love partial quotes and omissions, lol. cool.gif

I think that first part can be pretty much attributed to any TV type.
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post #445 of 3718
10/3/12 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I wonder if the stand on the 65" will allow it to swivel left and right. I consider this a hell of a lot more important than being able to swivel up and down like it does.,

probably same exact stand as 55", so yes
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post #446 of 3718
10/3/12 at 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

The plasma dithering / pixel noise is intense on the VT50. The flicker drove me batty. And the VT50 definitely has a major image retention / burn-in problem. Maybe it is more obvious in my usage with a HTPC and web browsing, but I could clearly see icon locations and windows and even text after hours of watching TV shows and movies.

I'm curious what brightness and contrast you were using on the VT50, and how long you were using your HTPC to create the IR that could be seen after hours of TV shows and movies. I have an HTPC to it is of some interest to me.

Michael
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post #447 of 3718
10/3/12 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

I didn't see this posted earlier but the 65" is IN STOCK and on sale for $4999.99 right now at SonyStyle wink.gif
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666483159

Holy cow... guess I am getting mine a lot faster than I thought! Damn it better be amazing with 3D and MotionFlow, at least as good as ES8000 supposedly is, or I will be extremely upset.

Edit: My card was charged. I guess there's no going back now unless I want a royal fight with Sony Store and maybe an outrageous return freight fee.
Edited by Flavius - 10/3/12 at 11:27pm
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post #448 of 3718
10/4/12 at 12:16am
Updated my settings spreadsheet to v1.5:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/200_100#post_22441778

Picture, Brightness, and Gamma adjusted with Light Sensor = Off. Also, set White Point to Warm 1. RGB Gain TDB.
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post #449 of 3718
10/4/12 at 12:21am
Let us know ASAP!!! eek.gif Can I return my 55" to Sony for a 65"?! cool.gif

I'd definitely recommend the Ti glasses for 3D wink.gif
Edited by jmjunker - 10/4/12 at 12:28am
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post #450 of 3718
10/4/12 at 12:41am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

dude you copied and pasted my exact post from this thread (Post #2)...plagiarism!...maybe I should be flattered

he just did it again... lolz wtf? mad.gifconfused.gif
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