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post #61 of 4484
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

On my 55HX950, I counted 15 x 7 zones = 105; same as the 55HX929.

The 950 has same number of zones, same video processing engines(X-reality Pro and Motionflow 960) as the 929. Therefore, the design of the 950 appears to be the same as that of the 929(except for the stand). What do you think?
Edited by mike50 - 9/21/12 at 3:55pm
post #62 of 4484
Jesus, can we make a special Sony HX950 dimming zones thread? rolleyes.gif

And yes, IF you had not been able to view the TV from a sitting position head on without the TV being tilted back, that WOULD be a MUCH bigger issue than the number of bloody zones! And if Sony can't give you a straight answer on the zones, how do you expect anyone else to? Dissect the damn thing?

Whether Sony made any improvements to 3D, where they were sorely lacking with the HX929, is a much bigger deal than number of zones.

Who cares if its improved over the HX929 in terms of zones, when you can't even buy the HX929 anymore, at least not in 65". This TV is not even near to being in the same price range as the Elite to begin with: $5500 for 65" vs $8000 for 70".
post #63 of 4484
Speaking of 3D... does the HX950 come with 3D glasses? I take it the answer is no. So what does the manual say are the suggested 3D glasses for this set? Are any of the suggested models the wrap around type, or only the new clip-on looking type? Thanks...
post #64 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Forgetting about dimming zones for the moment, I have three VERY PRESSING QUESTIONS as I have 65HX950 on pre-order:
1) The first pic shows the TV slanted back badly. A lot of online pics also show it tilted back with a stand on. CAN THE STAND BE ADJUSTED SO THE TV IS PERFECTLY VERTICAL? i.e. like a "normal" HDTV?
2) IS THE 3D IMPROVED??! Everyone said this was the weakest aspect of the HX929 with the 3D going totally out of whack if you so much as tilted your head a bit.
3) Is the PQ better than the top of the line mainstream Samsung ES8000? i.e. the only other top tier TV in this price range. I'd especially like to know if MOTIONFLOW 960 results in a smoother image with less artifacts than CMR 960 / AMP. Judder reduction via frame interpolation is extremely important to me, and is the primary reason I returned my 2012 64" Samsung plasma. I have a lot of 30FPS limited video games.
Let's focus on the important things people, not if the TV has 10% more or less zones that the previous discontinued model for crying out loud.
Thanks for all answers....

Well said! Thanks bro!!

I've been waiting to hear how the 3d is and how this TV is compared to others, but all I'm reading is about the Zones which I could care less so long as its the same as the 929. Can we please get some more info on how this TV compares to other models like the Samsung's and Elite.. I read that this TV is supposed to be better than the Elite. Has anyone compared this to it yet?
Edited by Anthony5362 - 9/21/12 at 4:19pm
post #65 of 4484
Flavius, take a chill pill, using Jesus name...
Funny that the tilt is such a big issue. Put a wedge under it or figure out something. That is an easy fix.
3d is a bigger issue? Take a poll on how many people buy the tv to watch 3d more than 2d, or even watch 3d at all.
Who cares if the HX929 is improved? What do you think this tread is about. Zones is just one of the topics.
Play nice Flavius.
post #66 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Well said! Thanks bro!!
I've been waiting to hear how the 3d is and how this TV is compared to others, but all I'm reading is about the Zones which I could care less so long as its the same as the 929. Can we please get some more info on how this TV compares to other models like the Samsung's and Elite.. I read that this TV is supposed to be better than the Elite. Has anyone compared this to it yet?

You will probably have to wait for some professional reviews to really get an idea of how it fares against the elite or any other top tier tv. Unless someone has both in home to do a head to head. That would be awesome!
post #67 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Jesus, can we make a special Sony HX950 dimming zones thread? rolleyes.gif
And yes, IF you had not been able to view the TV from a sitting position head on without the TV being tilted back, that WOULD be a MUCH bigger issue than the number of bloody zones! And if Sony can't give you a straight answer on the zones, how do you expect anyone else to? Dissect the damn thing?
Whether Sony made any improvements to 3D, where they were sorely lacking with the HX929, is a much bigger deal than number of zones.
Who cares if its improved over the HX929 in terms of zones, when you can't even buy the HX929 anymore, at least not in 65". This TV is not even near to being in the same price range as the Elite to begin with: $5500 for 65" vs $8000 for 70".


Hostility much? People want to know what they want to know. No need to be a b!tch about it...
post #68 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Well said! Thanks bro!!
I've been waiting to hear how the 3d is and how this TV is compared to others, but all I'm reading is about the Zones which I could care less so long as its the same as the 929. Can we please get some more info on how this TV compares to other models like the Samsung's and Elite.. I read that this TV is supposed to be better than the Elite. Has anyone compared this to it yet?

Can't be better without more local dimming zones..that was one of the reasons the elite topped the 929. Less blooming.
post #69 of 4484
I think the number of zones is signicant. I'm not going to pay a premium price for a tv with "new" local dimming tech that could be found in the 929. That would make it almost 2 years old. I am coming from a 65es8000 and with all the light bleed, clouding, and banding (it was really bad) all I want is some uniformity and as little light bleed and/or blooming as possible.
post #70 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Jesus, can we make a special Sony HX950 dimming zones thread? rolleyes.gif
And yes, IF you had not been able to view the TV from a sitting position head on without the TV being tilted back, that WOULD be a MUCH bigger issue than the number of bloody zones! And if Sony can't give you a straight answer on the zones, how do you expect anyone else to? Dissect the damn thing?
Whether Sony made any improvements to 3D, where they were sorely lacking with the HX929, is a much bigger deal than number of zones.
Who cares if its improved over the HX929 in terms of zones, when you can't even buy the HX929 anymore, at least not in 65". This TV is not even near to being in the same price range as the Elite to begin with: $5500 for 65" vs $8000 for 70".

and your foolish if your paying 8k for an 70" Elite you can easily get for 6k.
post #71 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Sango View Post

How does the set compare to XBR5? Is it better?
The XBR4 and XBR5 had the same panel, right? I just moved my 52" XBR4 back into the bedroom after using it for a week or two in the living room, and the HX950 is much better than it. What the XBR4/5 is good at, the HX950 improves upon.
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Originally Posted by dyndim View Post

gorthocar was so close. If he just had counted them. wink.gif
Move the cursor along the upper edge of the screen and count the zones, then move the cursor along the left edge and count the zones. Then multiply the numbers. Done. smile.gif
55" HX950, I see: 15 horizontal zones by 7 vertical zones == 105.
This is the same as koffas reports with his set, so the 2 of us are in agreement.
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Originally Posted by only you View Post

Can you play MKV video files via the USB port?
I'll try to test this sometime this weekend. With my HTPC hooked up to the TV, I can just directly play the mkv files instead of copying them to a USB drive and going that route.
post #72 of 4484
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

... But since the screen is somewhat reflective, it's best not to have a light source directly behind your viewing position; I noticed rainbow diffraction patterns on the screen filter in direct light. ...
I noticed that as well; that surpised me a bit. Actually, my first picture of the set turned off shows this rainbow in the upper right. The rainbow is what you see on the set when you have light sources behind you, and is not introduced as a lens flare from the camera:
post #73 of 4484
so in essence we have a v2 929 so be it. i thought Sony was carrying over the 929 well into 2012 anyway. this is no surprise to me as far as what Sony has implemented (basically a rebadged 929).

-same panel

-same zones at least on the 55" wouldn't be surprised if the 65" is the same.

-same pro 960 processing chip

i think i see a pattern........
post #74 of 4484
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Yeah, I'l take mine apart when it comes in and let you know. rolleyes.gif Sony will not publish official values to reviewers so with this question all you're going to get is water-cooler, off-the record, back alley values.
And honestly, it's not even that constructive of a comparison. While it's probably safe to say there are more zones, that doesn't equate 1:1 with improved performance. Implementation is also very important and will depend on arrangement, size, brightness,, output, dithering, # steps, etc. wink.gif
Now, my TV was ordered less than a day after Koffas and just today they updated the tracking manifest consignee location to Newport Beach. This thing is only coming from LA LA Land so how is it that mine is taking so long... Grr mad.gif

Gotta be the traffic in LA! wink.gif
post #75 of 4484
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

The XBR4 and XBR5 had the same panel, right? I just moved my 52" XBR4 back into the bedroom after using it for a week or two in the living room, and the HX950 is much better than it. What the XBR4/5 is good at, the HX950 improves upon.

Yes, XBR4 and XBR5 use the same panel. The main difference is the exterior bezel between the two sets.

Thanks for the info, I guess this one will be on my list of new TV's to get.
post #76 of 4484
I thought I would weigh in on this as I have done some research myself. The XBR 929 versus the new XBR 950 doesn't have many differences. What I am sure of is that the 3D is superior on the 950 versus the 929. There are several enhancements made to the 3D engine if you look at the specs side by side. Other than this, it has all of the same visual benefits of the xbr 929. However, the 929 has more sensors on it than the 950. The 950 no longer has the sensor for when your kid is coming up to it to warn you. The 950 also may not recognize you are no longer in the room to shut off your TV like the 929. There seems to be other benefits regarding the app list and features on the 950. In general, the cost between these two are the same. The stand on the new model is certainly different but looks more stable than the 929. To get the new 950 at $2999 with a superior stand and superior 3d was enough for me. Let's face it, the xbr 929 is a killer tv. I hope we'll found out there are more enhancements other than the 3d features. I get my TV this Tuesday and will share my feedback with all.
post #77 of 4484
Just because its a new model does not mean that it will have better PQ than the model it replaced. It may have better apps or better 3d or crap like that but does not mean it will have better PQ. It seems like PQ is secondary to most manufactures right now.
post #78 of 4484
clap clap! AVS! Bring me zone counts! And you WILL present this information to me in the format of my choosing, AND provide documentation that proves your legitimacy!

Now GO!
post #79 of 4484
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

and your foolish if your paying 8k for an 70" Elite you can easily get for 6k.

Ha, not from a reputable dealer with any kind of return policy you can't!
post #80 of 4484
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Originally Posted by isupes View Post

I think the number of zones is signicant. I'm not going to pay a premium price for a tv with "new" local dimming tech that could be found in the 929. .

But here's the problem.... that logic only applies to the 55". The 65" HX929 is no longer available and not sold for any sort of discount, unlike the 55" HX929. There is no premium to be paid if the only 65"+ set with full array and local dimming in existence, that you can buy, is either the 65HX950 or the 70" Elite.

Why is everyone here getting the 55" anyway? I find that's rather small for my 8" viewing distance. I find my current 52" TV quite small. So that is why I've ordered the 65" HX950. I found the 64" E7000 Samsung plasma I tried out and returned for the typical plasma reasons (and terrible judder due to no AMP/Motionflow) to be barely big enough.
post #81 of 4484
I love how this thread is already spicy! wink.gif We're going to be sorting out all of this XBR 950 stuff in no time! <3
post #82 of 4484
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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

Gotta be the traffic in LA! wink.gif

Oh seriously... It's on the 405S right now!!!mad.gifeek.gif It needs to get its how ever many zones up on my wall yesterday...
post #83 of 4484
Can someone who has one PLEASE look in the manual and tell us what model numbers of 3D glasses are suggested for use?? I promise to never bother anyone discussing zones again if you do. biggrin.gif
post #84 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Can someone who has one PLEASE look in the manual and tell us what model numbers of 3D glasses are suggested for use?? I promise to never bother anyone discussing zones again if you do. biggrin.gif

The same ones the 929 uses. Sony has been using the same standard for a long time now. Just get what Sony pair you think will work best for you.
post #85 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Can someone who has one PLEASE look in the manual and tell us what model numbers of 3D glasses are suggested for use?? I promise to never bother anyone discussing zones again if you do. biggrin.gif

Deal. These are the ones linked from the accessories tab at SonyStyle:

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666424868

I bought 2 pairs of the active titanium glasses from Amazon for $70 each:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007FXQQZS/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00

We should still confirm from the manual, but I'm pretty sure these are correct.
post #86 of 4484
Has the poor shadow detailing problem of the 92x series been solved i.e. no more black crush in 950?
post #87 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Issuj View Post

Has the poor shadow detailing problem of the 92x series been solved i.e. no more black crush in 950?


I have not seen anywhere say about shadows in poor hx92x
post #88 of 4484
Anymore pics or later reviews form the new owners. biggrin.gif
post #89 of 4484
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Originally Posted by WandVillela View Post

I have not seen anywhere say about shadows in poor hx92x

If you read flatpanelshd review the minuses of the hx92x series are:
- Light halos from local dimming
- Poor shadow detailing
- Reflections in screen (this was erroneously listed in the plus side)
- Price

I have Philips 9705 backlight local dimming 46'' (also has black crush) and would love to have 65'' Sony if it is solved...
post #90 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Speaking of 3D... does the HX950 come with 3D glasses? I take it the answer is no. So what does the manual say are the suggested 3D glasses for this set? Are any of the suggested models the wrap around type, or only the new clip-on looking type? Thanks...
No, it does not come with 3D glasses; you have to buy those separately. I can confirm that the older style Sony TDG-BR250 3D glasses work fine with HX950. The IR transmitter is integrated into the TV and it auto-detected the 3D signal OK. I watched some of Transformers 3 in 3D last night. With the glasses, it flickers like crazy, especially compared to how there is no discernible flicker at all in 2D mode, but you have to expect that with shutter glasses. With the refresh rate at 60Hz, the 3D glasses flicker less than at 24Hz, but the 3:2 pulldown in 3D mode drove me crazy and I quickly went back to 24Hz. They did get a little heavy on my nose after an hour. I may get accustomed to it, or I may try the titanium framed glasses, but I think light bleed from the frameless design may be a negative for visual quality.
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Originally Posted by Sango View Post

Yes, XBR4 and XBR5 use the same panel. The main difference is the exterior bezel between the two sets.
Thanks for the info, I guess this one will be on my list of new TV's to get.
Although it has been mentioned in this thread a few times, I should also mention that the HX950 has a much more reflective screen; it doesn't have the same anti-glare coating that XBR4/5 had. Other than that, I think that everything about the HX950 is a nice upgrade over my XBR4.
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