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post #601 of 4487
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

are there any recommended calibration settings for just gaming?
All Calibration S/W and disks (WoW) are for movies, isn't it? IMHO
To my likes I found that calibrated TV was too dark for gaming and kinda dull - no picture punch.
The same applies to Gamma that has to be 2.2 with color 6500k - those are for "true" skin tones.
If you increase color to 9000k you'd see "better", again IMHO.
Flavius, I'd like to know your opinion from "gaming" side for this matter.
Another thing is that no one 50"+ TV is 120Hz, but 60Hz max for video input, that means only 120Hz LCD displays are good for 3D gaming, while smaller size for a while.
Any one know TV that accepts 120Hz via HDMI / DVI?

120 hz (and 240 Hz etc) is done internally by the TV :
What Is Refresh Rate

Even if you could get your computer to output more than 60 fps, the HDMI receivers on the TV couldn't accept it.
post #602 of 4487
Good luck on your test, Flavius! Can't wait to hear all the results. Even though I'm coming over from the ES thread, mine replaced a Sony, and the 929 (at the time) was a close second. Like other people though, I'm not sure you'll be happy with banding compared to your picture. For a 65" LED LCD, that looked pretty good to me. Then again, maybe we just see pictures from the bad ones. I'm also not sure how blacks will compare to the 950 because of the different technology, but there are certain modes and settings in the ES that are better than others for that. I'm not sure what the outcome will be for 3D though, so it's going to be exciting. I know it's shipped already but when will you have an idea of it's delivery date?
post #603 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

This is your opinion. I know what it does, and I know it adds some lag. But it significantly reduces camera panning judder and flicker, alright? That's more important to me than lag, as hard as that may be for you to believe. It adds less artifacts than the similar AMP, but even that wasn't too bad.

What is your issue? Everything I said you'd hear from a thousand other gamers had you wrote about it on a gaming forum. That's great you don't care about the extra lag, but that gives you no reason to insult somebody else just because they are warning you of the adverse effects of enabling such modes.
post #604 of 4487
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

What is your issue? Everything I said you'd hear from a thousand other gamers had you wrote about it on a gaming forum. That's great you don't care about the extra lag, but that gives you no reason to insult somebody else just because they are warning you of the adverse effects of enabling such modes.

No issue, and trust me, that was not me insulting you. It's just that every time I bring up how MotionFlow or AMP greatly improves my judder in 30FPS games and how I like it to be on, you immediately dismiss my preference by saying I shouldn't play that way... "should be off for games" yada yada. It's a personal preference. Maybe I suck at games or have a slow brain, but I can hardly tell there is any lag at all, and the PQ improvement is great.
post #605 of 4487
Hi Flavius,

I'm from Germany - and I bought a 65HX925 this year January. It was a banding monster - I changed 2 times - so I had three 65HX925. All with banding. Terrible for example with watching soccer.

I returned the Sony in April - refund my money.

So now I have a Panasonic 65VT50,,,,,,,,,,and here in Germany we have problems with 50HZ with the panasonic. I see a lot of false contouring in faces. I´m not happy with the plasma.

My plan was to change back to the 65HX955, hoping this model yeas has no banding.

And now.........you have the same problems........it is terrible.
post #606 of 4487
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

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This is your your opinion. I know what it does, and I know it adds some lag. But it significantly reduces camera panning judder and flicker, alright? That's more important to me than lag, as hard as that may be for you to believe. It adds less artifacts than the similar AMP, but even that wasn't too bad.

What is your issue? Everything I said you'd hear from a thousand other gamers had you wrote about it on a gaming forum. That's great you don't care about the extra lag, but that gives you no reason to insult somebody else just because they are warning you of the adverse effects of enabling such modes.


vaxick, may I ask what specifically in favius' post you felt was an insult? Because he basically just stated his choice & is saying it's a personal preference, which is true- it's a tradeoff as even you admit. Ultimately there are really no right or wrong answers here. And trust me, that was NOT flavius insulting you lol. Oh you'll KNOW it if & when that happens, and that ain't it. Believe me.
post #607 of 4487
We need more pics in this thread:D
post #608 of 4487
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

Hi Flavius,
I'm from Germany - and I bought a 65HX925 this year January. It was a banding monster - I changed 2 times - so I had three 65HX925. All with banding. Terrible for example with watching soccer.
I returned the Sony in April - refund my money.
So now I have a Panasonic 65VT50,,,,,,,,,,and here in Germany we have problems with 50HZ with the panasonic. I see a lot of false contouring in faces. I´m not happy with the plasma.
My plan was to change back to the 65HX955, hoping this model yeas has no banding.
And now.........you have the same problems........it is terrible.

I don't have any banding.. Wait a minute. What IS banding? Banding is not the same as DSE, is it?
post #609 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

I don't have any banding.. Wait a minute. What IS banding? Banding is not the same as DSE, is it?

The darkened vertical bar running all the way from top to bottom is what most on the forum consider banding. Some call it DSE. I call it a pain in the ass.
post #610 of 4487
I mean the vertical bands. Light grey and very good to see i.e when the Camera moves from right to left or left to right in Soccer (with a lot of green) or Sky with a lot of white or blue or grey.
post #611 of 4487
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

I mean the vertical bands. Light grey and very good to see i.e when the Camera moves from right to left or left to right in Soccer (with a lot of green) or Sky with a lot of white or blue or grey.

Yes, in that case, even the HX950 has some light banding. There's like no escaping it seems. Even some Elite owners complain of it. Something to do with rollers in the manufacturing process?! Would explain the very even nature of mine. I actually have a darker middle one, and two much lighter side ones, all very symmetrical. So the question then is why doesn't my old 2008 Samsung 52" LCD with CCFL have it? Different, more expensive manufacturing process, or maybe they don't use rollers on 52" and smaller screens back then?!? Or maybe an LED phenomena only? I wonder if OLED will suffer from it. Anyway, on my HX950 its not so severe that I'd want to return the TV just for that. I will compare to ES8000 coming Monday. I wonder how plasma prevents banding if its a manufacturing issue? Never seen banding in plasmas. I blame LED tech.

Also, for those who were interested: I don't see any real difference in 1080i and 720p cable signal handling compared to my old Samsung. The Sony image DOES look a little bit softer, but that could be the fact that the same number of pixels are blown up to 65" vs 52".
Edited by Flavius - 10/10/12 at 10:17am
post #612 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Yes, in that case, even the HX950 has some light banding. There's like no escaping it seems. Even some Elite owners complain of it. Something to do with rollers in the manufacturing process?! Would explain the very even nature of mine. I actually have a darker middle one, and two much lighter side ones, all very symmetrical. So the question then is why doesn't my old 2008 Samsung 52" LCD with CCFL have it? Different, more expensive manufacturing process, or maybe they don't use rollers on 52" and smaller screens back then?!? Or maybe an LED phenomena only? I wonder if OLED will suffer from it. Anyway, on my HX950 its not so severe that I'd want to return the TV just for that. I will compare to ES8000 coming Monday. I wonder how plasma prevents banding if its a manufacturing issue? Never seen banding in plasmas. I blame LED tech.
Also, for those who were interested: I don't see any real difference in 1080i and 720p cable signal handling compared to my old Samsung. The Sony image DOES look a little bit softer, but that could be the fact that the same number of pixels are blown up to 65" vs 52".

My 8500 has no banding..very little dse...

former 65929 had horrible banding two major ones...very little dse if at all...

former 60" elite (sharp) had one band..some dse 70" no banding...some dse..

current: Sharp 80" 632 no banding, and no dse... in fact if you go into that thread it is the most trouble free set to date.
post #613 of 4487
It appears to happen MUCH more often the larger the panel is. Like in the ES8000 thread, most people with 60" and lower have no banding, but most with 65" (at least coming to the forum) seem to have it. Many sent them back and got replacements or had them replace just the panel and got better one. Some just returned it and went for a different TV. How many people aren't coming to the forum that don't have the problem at all though, I can't say. The 75" 9000 seems fine so far from what I read though.
post #614 of 4487
After returning my third 65hx925 due to Banding, the guy from Sony store told me that the top-management knows of the problem....and at the moment (April 2012 they can not promise to deliver a Set without banding.

For the next model Year - 65x955 - they can change.......and now.......the Same **** as Last year
post #615 of 4487
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

After returning my third 65hx925 due to Banding, the guy from Sony store told me that the top-management knows of the problem....and at the moment (April 2012 they can not promise to deliver a Set without banding.
For the next model Year - 65x955 - they can change.......and now.......the Same **** as Last year

I really need to post some better pics because the HX950 is really not that bad with banding/DSE or whatever you wish to call it. I only see it on bright whites. I do also want to post some comparison shots that are mind blowing between my old TV and this one. Just one problem: TIME!!
Will definitely post comparisons of the ES8000 and 65HX950 though next week, I owe you guys that much.

I'm sure if we had a nice Made in Germany high end TV it would have no banding or DSE. But as it stands, I have to rely on Jose over in Mexico to care enough to ensure that I don't get a crappy TV. And I don't think he gets paid enough to do so. rolleyes.gif
post #616 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

I really need to post some better pics because the HX950 is really not that bad with banding/DSE or whatever you wish to call it. I only see it on bright whites. I do also want to post some comparison shots that are mind blowing between my old TV and this one. Just one problem: TIME!!
Will definitely post comparisons of the ES8000 and 65HX950 though next week, I owe you guys that much.
I'm sure if we had a nice Made in Germany high end TV it would have no banding or DSE. But as it stands, I have to rely on Jose over in Mexico to care enough to ensure that I don't get a crappy TV. And I don't think he gets paid enough to do so. rolleyes.gif


I second this. My 3 series BMW has no banding or DSE........biggrin.gif
post #617 of 4487
@honda steffen

I 'm from Flanders (Belgium) and I had the same problem as you with my 65HX925. Bought it may 2012.
It had the banding exactly as you described it, very annoying for a set that costed that much.
I used your posts, amongst others, to convince the shop to take it back.So thanks for that.
They contacted SONY and got the reply that SONY new of the problem, but it was a common one, so they couldn't fix it.
The problem is best seen in a dark environment.
After that, I went to Media Markt and Saturn in Antwerp, type of shops you know well, and the sets there had the same problems.
So I can be practically sure, that they all have it.
For viewing films, it was fantastic, but I bought it for the European soccer-cup.
The Sharp 70 inch with local dimming, (835 in Europe ?), had also problems with panning scenes, very noticeable DSE and was not an option.
Plasma is not for me.

So I hoped the new 65hx950 didn't have the same problem.
So Flavius, your responsible for a disillusion :-)
My only hope is that your set is an exception concerning the banding.
So other owners (65 inch) let us please know if the problem is solved or not.
Thanks.
post #618 of 4487
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Originally Posted by bruver View Post

@honda steffen
I 'm from Flanders (Belgium) and I had the same problem as you with my 65HX925. Bought it may 2012.
It had the banding exactly as you described it, very annoying for a set that costed that much.
I used your posts, amongst others, to convince the shop to take it back.So thanks for that.
They contacted SONY and got the reply that SONY new of the problem, but it was a common one, so they couldn't fix it.
The problem is best seen in a dark environment.
After that, I went to Media Markt and Saturn in Antwerp, type of shops you know well, and the sets there had the same problems.
So I can be practically sure, that they all have it.
For viewing films, it was fantastic, but I bought it for the European soccer-cup.
The Sharp 70 inch with local dimming, (835 in Europe ?), had also problems with panning scenes, very noticeable DSE and was not an option.
Plasma is not for me.
So I hoped the new 65hx950 didn't have the same problem.
So Flavius, your responsible for a disillusion :-)
My only hope is that your set is an exception concerning the banding.
So other owners (65 inch) let us please know if the problem is solved or not.
Thanks.

Several 65" 929 owners experienced the same anomaly, some more intense than others and those with minor banding indicated it lessened over time. ??
post #619 of 4487
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Originally Posted by bruver View Post

@honda steffen
I 'm from Flanders (Belgium) and I had the same problem as you with my 65HX925. Bought it may 2012.
It had the banding exactly as you described it, very annoying for a set that costed that much.
I used your posts, amongst others, to convince the shop to take it back.So thanks for that.
They contacted SONY and got the reply that SONY new of the problem, but it was a common one, so they couldn't fix it.
The problem is best seen in a dark environment.
After that, I went to Media Markt and Saturn in Antwerp, type of shops you know well, and the sets there had the same problems.
So I can be practically sure, that they all have it.
For viewing films, it was fantastic, but I bought it for the European soccer-cup.
The Sharp 70 inch with local dimming, (835 in Europe ?), had also problems with panning scenes, very noticeable DSE and was not an option.
Plasma is not for me.
So I hoped the new 65hx950 didn't have the same problem.
So Flavius, your responsible for a disillusion :-)
My only hope is that your set is an exception concerning the banding.
So other owners (65 inch) let us please know if the problem is solved or not.
Thanks.

Sony also told me that the problem is the Panel - from Samsung......and for the 950er model year - it is another facturer.
By the way - Samsung sell a new 65inch model here in Germany since a few weeks - and in German hifi-forum - 10 users complains exact the the same problem as the sony has :-)

poor quality for a lot of money :-(

The new 75inch Samsung should have no problems like that - but the price.............................
post #620 of 4487
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

Sony also told me that the problem is the Panel - from Samsung......and for the 950er model year - it is another facturer.
By the way - Samsung sell a new 65inch model here in Germany since a few weeks - and in German hifi-forum - 10 users complains exact the the same problem as the sony has :-)
poor quality for a lot of money :-(
The new 75inch Samsung should have no problems like that - but the price.............................

But, would you be willing to spend that $$$$ to find out ??
Edited by IMRIZZO - 10/11/12 at 6:38am
post #621 of 4487
Better is to wait some month - lets say April next year - price will go down - I am sure.

And I will check the 75inch Samsung in some stores - and of course, there will be some volunteers with christmas-bonus in their pocket:)
post #622 of 4487
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

Sony also told me that the problem is the Panel - from Samsung......and for the 950er model year - it is another facturer.
By the way - Samsung sell a new 65inch model here in Germany since a few weeks - and in German hifi-forum - 10 users complains exact the the same problem as the sony has :-)
poor quality for a lot of money :-(
The new 75inch Samsung should have no problems like that - but the price.............................

There was some poster on here who bought the 75inch Samsung and hated it, returned it. Still edge-lit or something. Can't remember the thread, but I think the poster was jewdady, maybe.
post #623 of 4487
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Originally Posted by bruver View Post

@honda steffen
So Flavius, your responsible for a disillusion :-)
My only hope is that your set is an exception concerning the banding.
So other owners (65 inch) let us please know if the problem is solved or not.
Thanks.

The static vertical banding is definitely there. But I feel it is faint. I will be comparing this to the ES8000 when I get it in. From the sound of it, you're not going to be able to avoid this problem with a different Sony 65", and maybe not even with an LED set at all.
So love the local dimming though. The dimming is amazing, and the colors are just fantastic compared to my old Samsung A650. It's such a difference even on HD BluRays that when I look at the A650 I think someone barfed all over the screen. A sick yellow patina exists that I can't get rid of. But the HX950 looks flawless, even uncalibrated (aside from turning off or reducing some obvious things). Of course, my old A650 has zero banding.

Also, I commented earlier about "soft" looking 1080i cable. Turns out this due to the all the noise reduction options being on. Turn all those off and the picture loses its overly soft look and becomes just as clear as my old Samsung, except bigger with better colors. smile.gif
post #624 of 4487
The 75ES9000 is what the ES8000 should have been. The only difference is that the 9000 has edge-lit local dimming. Other than that, and slight design changes, they are identical. Worth 9k? Absolutely not, which is why JewDaddy returned his.
post #625 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

There was some poster on here who bought the 75inch Samsung and hated it, returned it. Still edge-lit or something. Can't remember the thread, but I think the poster was jewdady, maybe.

that was Jewdaddy..
post #626 of 4487
No panel is perfect. If it is as slight as flavonoids says, I'm ok with it. At least it won't get worse like IR or burn in on the plasma. Did I mention the space heater effect of the plasma? I'll be happy I think with these 950s.
post #627 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

The static vertical banding is definitely there. But I feel it is faint. I will be comparing this to the ES8000 when I get it in. From the sound of it, you're not going to be able to avoid this problem with a different Sony 65", and maybe not even with an LED set at all.
So love the local dimming though. The dimming is amazing, and the colors are just fantastic compared to my old Samsung A650. It's such a difference even on HD BluRays that when I look at the A650 I think someone barfed all over the screen. A sick yellow patina exists that I can't get rid of. But the HX950 looks flawless, even uncalibrated (aside from turning off or reducing some obvious things). Of course, my old A650 has zero banding.
Also, I commented earlier about "soft" looking 1080i cable. Turns out this due to the all the noise reduction options being on. Turn all those off and the picture loses its overly soft look and becomes just as clear as my old Samsung, except bigger with better colors. smile.gif

If you apply the settings I sent you, you will find that many of these anomalys will dissipate, especially w/ Blurays.
post #628 of 4487
@Flavius

Please Check the banding with watching soccer. With the 925 ist was terrible.
post #629 of 4487
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

@Flavius
Please Check the banding with watching soccer. With the 925 ist was terrible.

I don't see what's so special about soccer unless we're not talking about the same effect. The banding I'm talking about is visible on all white static screen, and it is static, it does not change. It is not affected at all by movement. You would simply notice it more with fast movement in bright scenes. Which is why I thought it was DSE at first. I thought banding was a different phenomena caused by poor motion handling in conjunction with edge lit models. Now I don't know what to think anymore.
post #630 of 4487
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

If you apply the settings I sent you, you will find that many of these anomalys will dissipate, especially w/ Blurays.

No doubt. Right now I'm still being conservative with deviations from Standard.
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