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post #31 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:01am
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Of course you wouldn't remember that, I'll let others do the search to find it.
Again, for others, here's a link to the power supply I got that I still think is a good deal for the price of $145 after MIR. Of course the others that don't like it here have not supplied any suggestions on other models for the same price range and specs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171061

So basically you aren't going to refute any of my counter points and accuse me of something that I never did.

Got it.

BTW anyone reading this please don't purchase a $175 850 watt PSU for HTPC as its a complete waste of money.
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post #32 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by H8nXTC View Post

Of course you wouldn't remember that, I'll let others do the search to find it.
Here's the one for $170 that is recommended by a review site (HardOCP).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121083
Again, for others, here's a link to the power supply I got that I still think is a good deal for the price of $145 after MIR. Of course the others that don't like it here have not supplied any suggestions on other models for the same price range and specs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171061

BTW I have supplied PSUs that are all better than your choice including a fanless modular option. In fact I have recommended them for well over a year. They are at my hardware guide.
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post #33 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:11am
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So basically you aren't going to refute any of my counter points and accuse me of something that I never did.
Got it.
BTW anyone reading this please don't purchase a $175 850 watt PSU for HTPC as its a complete waste of money.

You do realize someone is probably going to search and find the posts (or my responses from your deleted posts?) and might just post a link. I had to quote you here to show your error.
Oh, where's your suggestions on fanless? I don't see them in your guide.
I miss Rene...
Edited by H8nXTC - 9/30/12 at 10:17am
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post #34 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:15am
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You do realize someone is probably going to search and find the posts (or my responses from your deleted posts?) and might just post a link. I had to quote you here to show your error.
I miss Rene...

Sure, I would love to see those posts. I have long been an opponent of atom, zacate, etc so I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.

I am sure Rene wouldn't take too kindly to being accused of things he never did or said as well. Maybe that's why he's no longer around. Time is too valuable.

In the meantime I await proof of your accusation as well as some of the things you claim about your $175 850 watt PSU.
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post #35 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:18am
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I didn't accuse Rene of anything here, why are you suggesting I may be the cause he's no longer around? Oh, but I did pay at the end for his guide with a few updates and didn't get those updates. Oh well, at least he listened to suggestions.
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post #36 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:19am
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I didn't accuse Rene of anything here, why are you suggesting I may be the cause he's no longer around?

Please provide the posts I made or retract your accusation.
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post #37 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:20am
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I'll leave it to others to find them and post links, or you can do the work yourself?
Should be fairly easy to find, about the time you started posting here asking if others wanted a new beginners guide.
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post #38 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:20am
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I'll leave it to others to find them and post links, or you can do the work yourself?

Unbelievable.
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post #39 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:21am
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No Believable.
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post #40 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:36am
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So basically you aren't going to refute any of my counter points and accuse me of something that I never did.
Got it.
BTW anyone reading this please don't purchase a $175 850 watt PSU for HTPC as its a complete waste of money.

Quality move there, posting without MIR price on my suggestion, when you on your guide posts "Antec Greenwatts 380 watt - $30 with rebate Power cord not included."

From your guide "Seasonic X-Series Fanless 400 watt Modular - $130-$150
This PSU is completely fanless which means no moving parts including a fan. Its modular as well. These PSUs are truly a work of art and one of the best PSUs I have ever used. This is for the builder that wants the quietest HTPC possible."

$130-150? My suggestion was $135 after MIR?
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post #41 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:38am
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Quality move there, posting without MIR price when you on your guide posts "Antec Greenwatts 380 watt - $30 with rebate Power cord not included."
From your guide "Seasonic X-Series Fanless 400 watt Modular - $130-$150
This PSU is completely fanless which means no moving parts including a fan. Its modular as well. These PSUs are truly a work of art and one of the best PSUs I have ever used. This is for the builder that wants the quietest HTPC possible."
$130-150? My suggestion was $135 after MIR?

You are making a fool out of yourself. I would suggest that you stop.
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post #42 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:39am
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I don't think so, or am I foolish quoting you?
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post #43 of 63
9/30/12 at 10:41am
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I don't think so, or am I foolish quoting you?

Yes, a 400 watt PSU is a better option for HTPC than a 850w PSU.

I bet you don't even know who manufactured your PSU.
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post #44 of 63
9/30/12 at 11:43am
Despite the personal attacks the fact remains that the CPU, motherboard and psu recommended in the first post are massively over spec for an HTPC, unless you are using it for more than media playback and even then the psu is way over spec. trying to argue any different is nonsense.

I appreciate the fact that the OP wanted to share his "recommendations" with us but they are just plain wrong where the CPU, mobo and psu are concerned.

No offence to the OP. smile.gif

David
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post #45 of 63
9/30/12 at 12:04pm
This thread was a massive troll from the OP's 3rd post. Tiddles88 makes a couple very valid responses to the initial, unthoughtful build and H8nXTC responds with a personal attack that Tiddles88 had nothing to contribute because he/she only had 140 posts. If this thread is anything to go by H8nXTC's 1000+ posts are a good example of quantity over quality.

OP, you may impress people in an overclocker's forum with your build but this is an HTPC forum with a very well informed and generally considerate user base. Learn to accept constructive criticism and you may learn something.
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post #46 of 63
10/1/12 at 12:28am
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Yes, a 400 watt PSU is a better option for HTPC than a 850w PSU.
I bet you don't even know who manufactured your PSU.

I think its a seven team unit, but can't find for sure
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post #47 of 63
10/4/12 at 8:34pm
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Stated I would post some pics. when the fans arrived, which was today.





Edited by H8nXTC - 10/5/12 at 8:55am
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post #48 of 63
10/4/12 at 8:44pm
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post #49 of 63
10/4/12 at 8:51pm
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In response to the recent posts. So you're telling people that if you can get a more powerful system for close to the same amount, go ahead and pass and get the lesser system? I think not. The Z77 board for the same price of less than the H61 or H77 board, you should take the Z77. If you can get that board for $50 less if you get a i5 CPU when purchased together, you suggest just getting a i3? You suggest a cheaper power supply but can't give an alternative for a fanless fully modular one, except for one that is similar in price but can handle less power? Sure....

From the pics, I posted 4 Lian Li Cases, the mATX on top, the full ATX new cases in the middle and the older Lian Li full ATX HTPC case on the bottom to show the difference in depth.
As you can see from the graphics card, the fanless heatsink fits right under the frame rail perfectly for that card.
As you can see the exhaust fan next to the Power Supply is the slim Sycthe, but a regular fan can be used if the power supply has only a 6" depth.
You can also see the the Blue Tooth antenna on the interior I attached with some velcro tape and on the opposite exterior the WiFi antenna.
Decided to use the low profile low voltage DDR3 ram in my other system (the black newer Lian Li full ATX case, and you think this system is overpowered... i7 3770K CPU, Z77 motherboard with Thunderbolt ports, 16GB of the low profile low voltage RAM, a 240GB Revo 3 x2 PCI-e hard drive, etc.), so this is some higher spec. RAM (4GB x2) if you notice the pictures not showing the white RAM modules of the other RAM.

I thought Super Flower used to make Cooler Master PSU, but don't know now. Do you know? Is it the same company for all of them? This one has the best fit and finish I've seen, and I've got some Enermax power supplies that cost much more.

Here's a video review on the power supply, it's a bit long and slow but shows some of the neat unique features of this power supply. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srZIpafNcd0
Edited by H8nXTC - 10/5/12 at 8:59am
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post #50 of 63
10/4/12 at 10:17pm
Just a quick question: Why WiFi? Do you know something I don't know?
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post #51 of 63
10/4/12 at 10:55pm
Still ignoring everyone's comments. You DO NOT need an all singing, all dancing, fully modular breakfast making PSU. You just don't. You also can't recommend parts that are cheap only at an Microcentre and/or only in US. If you can get it real cheap, great, but these recommendations are not general but US based. And the US, despite what they generally think, are not at the centre of the world. And no matter the price, virtually no standard HTPC needs an i5. No matter the price or combo. But by all means, recommend pointless parts you'll never make full use of.
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post #52 of 63
10/4/12 at 11:02pm
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Just a quick question: Why WiFi? Do you know something I don't know?

My house isn't set up with network cables wired to every room a TV is and that's a lot more expensive to do than $30 for a WiFi card.
Edited by H8nXTC - 10/4/12 at 11:11pm
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post #53 of 63
10/4/12 at 11:07pm
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Still ignoring everyone's comments. You DO NOT need an all singing, all dancing, fully modular breakfast making PSU. You just don't. You also can't recommend parts that are cheap only at an Microcentre and/or only in US. If you can get it real cheap, great, but these recommendations are not general but US based. And the US, despite what they generally think, are not at the centre of the world. And no matter the price, virtually no standard HTPC needs an i5. No matter the price or combo. But by all means, recommend pointless parts you'll never make full use of.

Still ignoring the fact that I pointed out that I could get (and there are many Micro Centers in the US, but I didn't say the U.S. is the center of the world, but people like you seem to suggest I should at "in the U.S." to this and every thread title?) as well as many others the same deal, sorry if you can't but take a vacation here and you can too... If you can get a i5 for about the same amount of money as a i3, your suggestion seems to be get the i3? And you think Americans are stupid?
Modular Power Supply is beneficial. If you a want silent power supply, you can't beat fanless. Sorry if that doesn't come across to you, but if it doesn't apply to you then why waste your time answering for others. I didn't say this is the best power supply for everyone, did I? I said it's the best one if you're looking for a fanless fully modular one for the money in my opinion and you haven't supplied an alternative fanless fully modular power supply have you? So again you're adding nothing to the thread.
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post #54 of 63
10/5/12 at 7:12am
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My house isn't set up with network cables wired to every room a TV is and that's a lot more expensive to do than $30 for a WiFi card.
I meant that with so much invested in the PC WiFi is going to be a weak link. Just read around a bit about the problems people are having streaming BD rips or other high bitrate stuff by WiFi.
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post #55 of 63
10/6/12 at 9:33am
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Just some updates. Micro Center is now offering the $50 off a motherboard when you buy the i3 3225 CPU for $130 (before last week it was the i5 K and i7 K only). My location is sold out of the Z77 mATX ASRock board though. But others can get that Z77 board and the i3 3225 for just $190.

Newegg starting today has dropped the price $40 off of their Rosewill Silent Night 500w Platinum Fanless modular power supply to $140 with free shipping. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182169&Tpk=silent%20night%20500w (edit: Seems newegg has updated the size to now be 170mm in depth, so this isn't one of the under 6" power supplies to fit the Lian Li's without losing HD racks in the full ATX or using a full thickness fan in the mATX HTPC cases).

Also wanted to add that I purchased a pair of Cougar fans was was impressed at those if anyone is looking for case fands.
Edited by H8nXTC - 10/9/12 at 5:25pm
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post #56 of 63
10/7/12 at 11:16am
You know I've been seeing a lot of arguments about PSU's lately. I'm personally running three Thermaltake 430 watt PSU's in some of my systems. Two of which I got at Goodwills for about $5. One I actually bought for $40 about 5 years ago. They're 80+ which is okay, not great, but okay. They've got 2 80mm fans which you would think would be bad. They're incredibly quiet though. When I was plugging them into the power supply tester they were so quiet I didn't think they were working, but they were. You still see these in the Newegg sale e-mails. So that's what I've got in my systems so I have to fight to make myself feel better about my choices.

Now that that's out of the way. I'm going to put a call out to the group. With as little power as most systems are using nowadays I think we need to start looking into Pico-PSU's. My latest build uses about 40 watts. That's with 3 external back-up drives, and some other stuff on the same UPS. So that 40 watts is probably less. It's also what it's pulling from the wall. Given my less than %100 percent efficient PSU it's still less. Good Pico-PSU's are more efficient than any ATX PSU, they're fanless, and with about three wires you don't have to worry about modular. To me it looks like these would solve all our problems. I'm putting this out to the group since I've never used one. I'm going to eat my own dog food though. I came into some found money recently and have been looking for something computer related to buy before the wife spends it. So I'm going to get one next week. I'll report when I know more. I just think that this is the direction we need to start moving in. So I'm asking the brain trust to chime in. I think this could be good for everyone.
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post #57 of 63
10/7/12 at 11:22pm
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I said it's the best one if you're looking for a fanless fully modular one for the money in my opinion and you haven't supplied an alternative fanless fully modular power supply have you? So again you're adding nothing to the thread.

I don't think any of your comment was directed at me, but I did mention an alternative that I do feel is silent. PP&C Silencer MKIII. It has a fan, and I don't think it makes any audible noise outside of the case. Also, not all fanless PSUs are silent. The one you got is pretty well regarded, so it might be silent but I've never used so I can't comment from personal experience there

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Good Pico-PSU's are more efficient than any ATX PSU, they're fanless, and with about three wires you don't have to worry about modular. To me it looks like these would solve all our problems. I'm putting this out to the group since I've never used one. I'm going to eat my own dog food though. I came into some found money recently and have been looking for something computer related to buy before the wife spends it. So I'm going to get one next week. I'll report when I know more. I just think that this is the direction we need to start moving in. So I'm asking the brain trust to chime in. I think this could be good for everyone.

Check this out link. Quite a few people have been going this direction for their HTPCs. Thinking of it myself, with one of Stardog's ecosmartpc chassis as well biggrin.gif
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post #58 of 63
10/8/12 at 9:54am
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If anyone happens to say want a gaming HTPC with SLI or CrossFire and say a mATX motherboard. But now you don't have room for a TV Tuner card or wireless PCI-e x1 or x16 card, here's how you can use that PCI bracket/slot above the power supply to add that TV Tuner or other card PCI for cheap. They are available for PCI, PCI-e x1 and PCI-e x16.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00646VJDG/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i01

http://www.amazon.com/BestDealUSA-Quality-PCI-E-Extender-Ribbon/dp/B0067WZH2Q/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_z
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post #59 of 63
10/14/12 at 12:11pm
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Newegg has the Lian Li cases on sale again for 20% off with free shipping.

Anyone pick up the PowerDVD 12 Ultra for $39.99 a couple days ago as their Shell Shocker deal?
Edited by H8nXTC - 10/14/12 at 1:13pm
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post #60 of 63
10/15/12 at 8:35am
I don't have much use for trolls like H8nXTC. They provide no advancement to the technology discussion that is truly useful here.
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