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post #241 of 914
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

Redbox must not have that deal with all of the studios, because there are used BDs for sale in boxes all over Vegas. I recently purchased 21 Jump Street, Underworld Awakening and The Raid for $5 each. So they're apparently able to sell Sony titles.

With New Deal, Redbox Can’t Sell Used Sony Movies
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Jul 23, 2009

More details are coming out today about the deal Redbox has made with Sony.

According to Sony, the deal is worth $460 million over 5 years, but can be ended early at Sony’s discretion. Also, as part of the agreement, Redbox can no longer sell Sony’s movies in their kiosks. Redbox often sells their used DVDs for just $7 in many of their kiosks, giving Redbox users a great bargain on movies they want to buy as early as 2 weeks after their release.

This destruction of movies was one of the things Universal asked for in its proposed agreement to Redbox last year. This is a slap in the face of the First Sale Doctrine, and with Redbox now agreeing to it with Sony, they likely will be forced into the same deal with other studios. Is this the beginning of Redbox selling out to the studios? If so, consumers are the one that are going to lose in the long run.

http://www.insideredbox.com/with-new-deal-redbox-cant-sell-used-sony-movies/

Do we know if that deal is still in place?
post #242 of 914
I'm afraid that those, including me, complaining about the loss of HD audio is really limited to this thread and those created on other AV forums. I told my wife yesterday that I didn't want to support this strategy they're using and would no longer rent from redbox if I'm going to be renting an inferior BD and she said, " well then you can go to the other room and pout while I enjoy the movie because I could care less what studios are doing. " Unfortunately, she had a point and I realized I will probably continue to rent movies for the price they are offering, it's not like we are paying $5.99 for the rental. Now if they start releasing movies with a mono track only, then we have a problem...
post #243 of 914
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

I'm afraid that those, including me, complaining about the loss of HD audio is really limited to this thread and those created on other AV forums.

So I think there are only three titles that have come up?? Is this truly evidence of a growing trend?
post #244 of 914
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

So I think there are only three titles that have come up?? Is this truly evidence of a growing trend?

We can confidently expect ALL future new pouplar releases from Lionsgate will be this way, not just these three. These three are the begining.
post #245 of 914
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

We can confidently expect ALL future new pouplar releases from Lionsgate will be this way, not just these three. These three are the begining.
Fully agreed. Lionsgate has also been slowly increasing the number of trailers and game ads on their discs, too. If I'm not mistaken, Cabin in the Woods had over 10 minutes of the stuff.

At least their trailers and such are all one clip with chapter stops so you can pretty quickly skip to the end. With Sony (the other big offender), each one loads individually so you have to press skip *wait* skip *wait* - rinse and repeat.

The result is, I won't buy any Lionsgate titles for any reason - no matter how much I like the movie. I won't support this nonsense by actually giving them money through a purchase.
post #246 of 914
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

With New Deal, Redbox Can’t Sell Used Sony Movies
http://www.insideredbox.com/with-new-deal-redbox-cant-sell-used-sony-movies/
Do we know if that deal is still in place?
Can't say for certain, but the evidence would suggest that the deal is no longer in effect, considering the availability of used Sony titles (and not just the three I mentioned buying.)

The crappy thing about them selling discs is that you can't see what they have for sale online. You have to go to each individual box and scroll through the "For Sale" items. But hey - $5 each for pristine retail copies of fairly new films is pretty hard to beat.
post #247 of 914
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

Can't say for certain, but the evidence would suggest that the deal is no longer in effect, considering the availability of used Sony titles (and not just the three I mentioned buying.)
The crappy thing about them selling discs is that you can't see what they have for sale online. You have to go to each individual box and scroll through the "For Sale" items. But hey - $5 each for pristine retail copies of fairly new films is pretty hard to beat.

Redbox and Verizon will launch video streaming services soon in this Chistmas season. So whatever Redbox is doing ot not doing at this moment will completely change. They have to roll over and be the bitch of studios if they want any chance to survive in stream video business. You can't buy movie digital streams on the retail market.
post #248 of 914
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Redbox and Verizon will launch video streaming services soon in this Chistmas season. So whatever Redbox is doing ot not doing at this moment will completely change. They have to roll over and be the bitch of studios if they want any chance to survive in stream video business. You can't buy movie digital streams on the retail market.
Oh look - more FUD from you. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.


Maybe they'll stop selling used discs, maybe they won't. Seeing how it's already almost October, we should see pretty soon whether your predictions were accurate or just more of the same from you. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that I've gotten some pretty good deals from them lately.
Edited by Steeb - 9/30/12 at 7:31am
post #249 of 914
There's no doubt that the only one spreading FUD here is you. You are quick to accus anyone that disagrees with you.
post #250 of 914
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Redbox and Verizon will launch video streaming services soon in this Chistmas season. So whatever Redbox is doing ot not doing at this moment will completely change. They have to roll over and be the bitch of studios if they want any chance to survive in stream video business. You can't buy movie digital streams on the retail market.

It won't be Redbox doing business with the studios for streaming content, it will be Verizon.
post #251 of 914
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Why don't you try renting The Hunger Games or Cabin In The Woods to see if your Blockbuster really does carry the retail version.

I can't from blockbuster due to all of them closing in my area but i did rent Hunger Games from my local rental place( Family Video ) and it was the retail version with DTS MA 7.1
post #252 of 914
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy761210 View Post

I can't from blockbuster due to all of them closing in my area but i did rent Hunger Games from my local rental place( Family Video ) and it was the retail version with DTS MA 7.1

That wouldn't surprise me as they bought it from retail. Blockbuster would be different as they would have access to the special rental only BDs that Lionsgate would lease to them for a reduced price.
post #253 of 914
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

So I think there are only three titles that have come up?? Is this truly evidence of a growing trend?

From my experience, its been The Hunger Games, Snow White and the Huntsman, Cabin in the Woods and What to Expect When Expecting. Not sure what others have been affected. Maybe someone will be willing to keep track and post it so we know ahead of time.
post #254 of 914
I never knew redbox sold movies, do they sell blu rays as well? How do you know which Kiosks do? I have a lot of them in my area and not single one does.
post #255 of 914
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

I never knew redbox sold movies, do they sell blu rays as well?
That's what we've been talking about, on this very page no less. Yes, they sell BDs. At least Sony titles, at this point. For $5 (plus tax,) you the disc and a standard Redbox case - no BD case or coverart, obviously.
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Originally Posted by teckademic 
How do you know which Kiosks do? I have a lot of them in my area and not single one does.
If the box has items for sale, there will be a "For Sale" button. You hit that and it lets you scroll through the titles available for purchase. As far as I can tell, there's no way to check online for items that are for sale, so you have to look at each box to see what's available.
Edited by Steeb - 9/30/12 at 9:00pm
post #256 of 914
I just had an online chat with a lady at Redbox about this. She pretty much shut me down and said it was my equipment and that they have no control over it. No offer of a discount, an appology, nothing. Just sorry, can't help you. Is there anything else I can assist you with?
post #257 of 914
The Cabin in the Woods neuter doesn't work with D-BOX either. Which is a little disturbing since all D-BOX needs is the 5.1 audio.

And on a side note if Netflix wants to justify their BluRay surcharge, they could at least add 3D BluRays, which is what I complained to them about a few months back.
post #258 of 914
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

I just had an online chat with a lady at Redbox about this. She pretty much shut me down and said it was my equipment and that they have no control over it. No offer of a discount, an appology, nothing. Just sorry, can't help you. Is there anything else I can assist you with?

I would send an email. Discount? I seriously doubt you will get a discount for releases that have lossy vs lossless. That is like complaining that your cheeseburger on the $1 McDonalds menu does not taste as good as a $5 Five Guys hamburger... The fact that a Blu-Ray release is only 30 cents more (on average) than a DVD release per day is hard to complain about. For 30 cents you are still getting better audio and video.
post #259 of 914
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

The Cabin in the Woods neuter doesn't work with D-BOX either. Which is a little disturbing since all D-BOX needs is the 5.1 audio.
And on a side note if Netflix wants to justify their BluRay surcharge, they could at least add 3D BluRays, which is what I complained to them about a few months back.

I thought in order for Dbox to work the title had to be encoded for it? My guess is Lionsgate stripped out lossless and Dbox motion code from Redbox, etc rental releases.

Netflix has a Blu-Ray surcharge because it costs more for them to buy a Blu-Ray disc vs a DVD. There is an added expense there and they are passing the expense on to Blu-Ray consumers how rent the movies. It seems fair to me. I agree it would be nice if they offered 3D, but I suspect that would be an additional expense since 3D BD's cost more on average than 2D.
post #260 of 914
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

I just had an online chat with a lady at Redbox about this. She pretty much shut me down and said it was my equipment and that they have no control over it. No offer of a discount, an appology, nothing. Just sorry, can't help you. Is there anything else I can assist you with?
Call them instead. The woman I spoke with was very nice. And she gave me 2 discount codes. And she was removing the disk I had rented from circulation until a technician could inspect it. All of this costs them money, and costing them money is the only way to get their attention and let them know we're not happy about this.
post #261 of 914
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Originally Posted by pitviper33 View Post

Call them instead. The woman I spoke with was very nice. And she gave me 2 discount codes. And she was removing the disk I had rented from circulation until a technician could inspect it. All of this costs them money, and costing them money is the only way to get their attention and let them know we're not happy about this.

Would the disc not play at all? I am confused.
post #262 of 914
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

I would send an email. Discount? I seriously doubt you will get a discount for releases that have lossy vs lossless. That is like complaining that your cheeseburger on the $1 McDonalds menu does not taste as good as a $5 Five Guys hamburger... The fact that a Blu-Ray release is only 30 cents more (on average) than a DVD release per day is hard to complain about. For 30 cents you are still getting better audio and video.

I think you have missed the point. Yes, its a good deal for a rental but its not about whether its 30 cents or 30 dollars, its about getting what you paid for. The disc says DTS HD but its not on there. That's NOT getting better audio for the premium over DVD. I wasn't looking for a discount, I was looking to get their attention.
post #263 of 914
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

I think you have missed the point. Yes, its a good deal for a rental but its not about whether its 30 cents or 30 dollars, its about getting what you paid for. The disc says DTS HD but its not on there. That's NOT getting better audio for the premium over DVD. I wasn't looking for a discount, I was looking to get their attention.

Yes, I missed the part where the rental disc states DTS-HD-MA on the disc and it (the lossless track) is not on there. I think that is a legitimate complaint. But to be clear Dolby Digital on Blu-Ray is 640kbps and DD on DVD is typically 448Kbps, so it is an improvement.
post #264 of 914
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Would the disc not play at all? I am confused.
Nope, played the movie just fine. But it played it in 5.1 instead of 7.1.
post #265 of 914
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Yes, I missed the part where the rental disc states DTS-HD-MA on the disc and it (the lossless track) is not on there. I think that is a legitimate complaint. But to be clear Dolby Digital on Blu-Ray is 640kbps and DD on DVD is typically 448Kbps, so it is an improvement.

Okay. I didn't realize DD on BR was any different than DD on DVD. Good to know. So now you see your burger analogy is more like this: you walk into Five Guys and order a burger and they present you with a McD's single. Both are burgers but very different. You paid for a thick tasty burger but got a flat soy cake. Are you content with that?
post #266 of 914
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Originally Posted by pitviper33 View Post

Nope, played the movie just fine. But it played it in 5.1 instead of 7.1.

So your copy was labeled DTS-HD-MA 7.1 too? Somebody needs to get a pic of the rental discs.
post #267 of 914
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Okay. I didn't realize DD on BR was any different than DD on DVD. Good to know. So now you see your burger analogy is more like this: you walk into Five Guys and order a burger and they present you with a McD's single. Both are burgers but very different. You paid for a thick tasty burger but got a flat soy cake. Are you content with that?

Well I don't agree with the analogy since Redbox is so stinking cheap, but yeah, if they advertise one thing on the disc and give you another, it should be addressed. At a minimum Redbox and Netflix should state DD 5.1 vs 7.1 DTS=HD-MA on the disc.

From my perspective, it is hard for me to complain since Redbox is so cheap. I guess if I really want lossless on 7.1 channels, I will just suck it up and buy it or find another rental option at a higher price point.
post #268 of 914
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

So your copy was labeled DTS-HD-MA 7.1 too? Somebody needs to get a pic of the rental discs.
I don't actually remember whether or not it did. And I didn't say to the person on the phone that it had. But I did know that the movie was supposed to be in 7.1. That was my complaint to the person on the phone.

Is that enough reason to complain? Well that's obviously subjective. But I paid to rent the disk, and it bothered me. And that was before I'd ever seen this thread or known of the problem.

Why does it even matter if it said it on the disk? The disk didn't have a label spelling out that every scene from the retail copy was included either. But would I be upset if they had trimmed the movie by 25%? Yep, I probably would have called to complain about that too.
post #269 of 914
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Well I don't agree with the analogy since Redbox is so stinking cheap, but yeah, if they advertise one thing on the disc and give you another, it should be addressed. At a minimum Redbox and Netflix should state DD 5.1 vs 7.1 DTS=HD-MA on the disc.
From my perspective, it is hard for me to complain since Redbox is so cheap. I guess if I really want lossless on 7.1 channels, I will just suck it up and buy it or find another rental option at a higher price point.

Exactly, it's cheap and that's not my fault. I didn't set the pricing. If they want to charge more or need to charge more to deliver what they advertise then so be it. I would pay $1 or $2 or $3 more for the Bluray version of a movie on rental as long as it's not dumbed down. I appreciate the convenience and not having to buy if a rental is going to satisfy my interest.
post #270 of 914
honestly I don't hear that huge of a difference between dd 5.1 and dts-hd ma. Guess you need super expensive audio setups to really hear a difference so it doesn't matter to me. I prefer illegally obtaining movies for free than paying anything anyways though.
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