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post #691 of 921
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I'd have to say then that your experience seems to indicate bad BD's .. since they don't show physical damage .. my experience since the inception of BD has been excellent .. maybe 2 unplayable disks over the years from rental .. none on purchased .. my OPPO player and my two PS3's very rarely fail to play any BD ..

It's DVD I've always had the most issues with ..
I didn't say I had a lot - just that I've had discs that looked fine with BD not play compared to DVDs that played despite massive damage - which is a good thing since rental DVDs seem to get the crap beat out of them compared to BDs.

No doubt, I've had unplayable DVDs, too. However, those were usually physically cracked or broken on arrival.
post #692 of 921
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Originally Posted by thxman View Post

The Last Stand from Red box was DTS-MA 5.1 vs DTS-MA 7.1 retail discs.

I just grabbed this from Redbox tonight to watch, glad it's at least 5 channels of lossless and not DD 5.1!
post #693 of 921
OZ the Great and Powerful looks like it is DD 5.1 vs DTS-MA 7.1 retail. Makes me want to vomit
post #694 of 921
That sucks!!!!

Thanks for the heads up, I guess Ill buy,
post #695 of 921
I just read that the default track is is DD 5.1 and an alternate is 7.1. I'll have to verify
post #696 of 921
OK.
post #697 of 921
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Originally Posted by Daveyd View Post

OZ the Great and Powerful looks like it is DD 5.1 vs DTS-MA 7.1 retail. Makes me want to vomit

Incorrect. although it does default to lossy audio.
post #698 of 921
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Originally Posted by Daveyd View Post

I just read that the default track is is DD 5.1 and an alternate is 7.1. I'll have to verify


You are correct. I rented this movie last week and in the menu had to choose DTS 7.1 MA over lossy DD. Great sound track. Some good LFE and surround development. No need to vomit guys. biggrin.gif



Ian
post #699 of 921
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Originally Posted by Daveyd View Post

I just read that the default track is is DD 5.1 and an alternate is 7.1. I'll have to verify

My Netflix rental defaults to DD 2.0, not even DD 5.1. It also prompts on screen that it defaults to DD 2.0 and includes DD 5.1 and DTS-HD MA 7.1. It does come with DTS-HD MA 7.1 but everytime I shutdown the player and come back to continue watch the movie, it defaults back to DD 2.0 again.

The only complaint I have with this disc is that it seems authored much louder than normal movie discs. I have to turn down my AVR volume about 10db to get comfortable listening level.
post #700 of 921
I just got another BluRay from Netflix. I do not get them very often, but this 'Broken City' version came in the BluRay version had 'ide' as a suffix. It was in DTS HD Master Audio 5.1. sounded fine played fine. I made a clone copy which played well as well as a BDfolder file they had m2ts . the clone had dts hd ma 5.1, the bd folder had the audio converted to ac3 i think , am pretty sure.
I delete these copies, i was just trying to see what i could do with the software i got. i had no intention of keeping this particular movie or i would have purchased it. It took nearly 2hrs for all 30gigs on the clone and the bd folder with only the main title took over an hour and a half for 30gig.
after all that waiting, i forgot to check most of the things i was interested in , sub titles, other languages, features and so forth. by the time i got through making the copies i had forgotten. I was doing other things as that copied in the background,adding to the time probably. they deleted in 10seconds. I liked the movie but not enough to buy and not enough to take up 39gigs of hard drive space. did not try to burn any copies.
post #701 of 921
Thank you for sharing your illegal activities publically wink.gif
post #702 of 921
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

My Netflix rental defaults to DD 2.0, not even DD 5.1. It also prompts on screen that it defaults to DD 2.0 and includes DD 5.1 and DTS-HD MA 7.1. It does come with DTS-HD MA 7.1 but everytime I shutdown the player and come back to continue watch the movie, it defaults back to DD 2.0 again.
My player did the same thing with the Netflix rental.
post #703 of 921
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

My Netflix rental defaults to DD 2.0, not even DD 5.1. It also prompts on screen that it defaults to DD 2.0 and includes DD 5.1 and DTS-HD MA 7.1. It does come with DTS-HD MA 7.1 but everytime I shutdown the player and come back to continue watch the movie, it defaults back to DD 2.0 again.

The only complaint I have with this disc is that it seems authored much louder than normal movie discs. I have to turn down my AVR volume about 10db to get comfortable listening level.

The retail copy of "Oz, The Great And Powerful" I pucrhased also defaults to DD 2.0, and this was noted in Ralph Potts' review on AVS.

Mark
post #704 of 921
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

The retail copy of "Oz, The Great And Powerful" I pucrhased also defaults to DD 2.0, and this was noted in Ralph Potts' review on AVS.

Mark


It's probably because most viewers have their BD players hooked up directly to their stereo TV's and not to a more elaborate multi-channel HT set up.


Ian
post #705 of 921
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

It's probably because most viewers have their BD players hooked up directly to their stereo TV's and not to a more elaborate multi-channel HT set up.


Ian
That's what most viewers witthout AVRs usually do when they watch movies or tv shows or games....the volume on the recievers can be much louder than on the tv speakers. Some of the tv speakers also emit fake surround sound and have decoders like Dolby Digital Plus on my vizio.
post #706 of 921
Last night I watched Deliverance on BD, which I got from Netflix. Audio was DD 5.1 only, no DTS-MA track. I was very disappointed, since there is a ton of wildlife sound all around you.

Deliverance was released by Warner Bros, not Lionsgate, so this vile cancer (omitting lossless audio from rental BDs) is spreading. This is not going to stop me from subscribing to Netflix, since the cost of buying BDs (at least those I want) is usually prohibitive, but I'm still very disappointed.

So, what ways do we having at voicing our discontent to the studios other than canceling our Netflix subscriptions or posting negative comments on forums like AVS?
post #707 of 921
Not sure this is anyone's fault and the same thing as Lionsgate removing it on rentals of "new" movies. Deliverance's first release on Blu had lossy audio, then they released a new version with DTS Master.
post #708 of 921
The original Deliverance wasn't released with a lossless track. It wasn't until the 40th anniversary that the disc included a DTS-MA 5.1 track. More than likely they only have the original 2007 release.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/935/deliverance.html

S~
post #709 of 921
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Not sure this is anyone's fault and the same thing as Lionsgate removing it on rentals of "new" movies. Deliverance's first release on Blu had lossy audio, then they released a new version with DTS Master.
Beat me to it. Had to stop typing to talk to my dad.

S~
post #710 of 921
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Thunder240 View Post

Last night I watched Deliverance on BD, which I got from Netflix. Audio was DD 5.1 only, no DTS-MA track. I was very disappointed, since there is a ton of wildlife sound all around you.

Deliverance was released by Warner Bros, not Lionsgate, so this vile cancer (omitting lossless audio from rental BDs) is spreading. This is not going to stop me from subscribing to Netflix, since the cost of buying BDs (at least those I want) is usually prohibitive, but I'm still very disappointed.

So, what ways do we having at voicing our discontent to the studios other than canceling our Netflix subscriptions or posting negative comments on forums like AVS?

Why would you suggest cancelling Netflix as some sort of protest .. ?? DD 5.1 is surround and should not substantially impede "wildlife sound" ..
post #711 of 921
Id agree its not Netflix's fault.
post #712 of 921
Do as I did... email netflix etc.. and state why you are cancelling.. and the simple fact that until the studios stop this pathetic BS you will simply dl a copy instead.. since the almighty $ is all the studios care about the way to make em pay attention is right in the wallet.
post #713 of 921
Cancelling Netflix doesnt hurt the right company. Secondly, Id not state in an email Ill simply download a copy. Finally, the removal of HD tracks seems to have stopped, so who cares?
post #714 of 921
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shalimar View Post

Do as I did... email netflix etc.. and state why you are cancelling.. and the simple fact that until the studios stop this pathetic BS you will simply dl a copy instead.. since the almighty $ is all the studios care about the way to make em pay attention is right in the wallet.

Yeah, breaking the law is always the way to go .. rolleyes.gif
post #715 of 921
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Cancelling Netflix doesnt hurt the right company. Secondly, Id not state in an email Ill simply download a copy. Finally, the removal of HD tracks seems to have stopped, so who cares?

True in part.. but it does directly impact the bottom line of the studios as well as get Netflix's attention so they can raise a stink over the BS the studios are pulling
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Yeah, breaking the law is always the way to go .. rolleyes.gif

Depends on where you are... in my case such is perfectly legal.. in the US such is still greatly debated depending on a ton of variables. But end result is if they are told flat out their product(s) lost a customer due to the BS sooner or later they might clue in.
post #716 of 921
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shalimar View Post

True in part.. but it does directly impact the bottom line of the studios as well as get Netflix's attention so they can raise a stink over the BS the studios are pulling
Depends on where you are... in my case such is perfectly legal.. in the US such is still greatly debated depending on a ton of variables. But end result is if they are told flat out their product(s) lost a customer due to the BS sooner or later they might clue in.

Netflix agrees to these deals in order to get better pricing .. or to perhaps avoid a 28 day delay or longer .. and to be able to offer you a great deal on a subscription ..

The pirating thru download or by whatever means is illegal .. it is theft, any way you want to slice it .. there is no gray area ..
post #717 of 921
I guess I feel a little better knowing that the 2007 release only had a lossy audio track, since I was imagining that this signified that WB was joining Lionsgate in pulling HD audio tracks from their rental BD. Still, I wanted the lossless experience, but in this case I concur that it's no one's fault.

@ mgkdragn: what absence of sonic detail does or does not "substantially impede" the experience is subjective, and having still not heard the lossless track, I don't know for sure what I missed. But I can tell you that if all anyone cared about was not having their sonic/visual experience "substantially impeded", few of us would spend the money we do on hifi AV systems. I, for one, want more. I want to feel completely immersed in a movie, and the fidelity of ambient sounds goes a long way to my sense of immersion.

As to how to make a statement to the studios, I agree that our (meaning consumers') only direct line to the studios is through the services we subscribe to, which for me is Netflix. (I agree with mgkdragn that Netflix is a witting partner in the deals they've struck with Lionsgate and other studios for discs that lack HD audio tracks.) Writing a letter is probably a good place to start. Maybe ill pair that with reducing my plan from unlimited to the 2 movies per month, explaining this move in my letter by saying that I am less motivated to rent movies knowing that many of the movies I'd otherwise want to watch lack the audio track I want to hear.
post #718 of 921
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Thunder240 View Post


@ mgkdragn: what absence of sonic detail does or does not "substantially impede" the experience is subjective, and having still not heard the lossless track, I don't know for sure what I missed. But I can tell you that if all anyone cared about was not having their sonic/visual experience "substantially impeded", few of us would spend the money we do on hifi AV systems. I, for one, want more. I want to feel completely immersed in a movie, and the fidelity of ambient sounds goes a long way to my sense of immersion.

This has been beaten to death already .. the key word is "substantially" .. I run a near reference system and if a bird chirps to the left side on a DD 5.1 disk , I hear the chirping .. surround is generally used selectively in films .. there is no complete immersion, it's selective ..

Now, below is a list of BD audio formats .. you'll notice that DTS is mandatory .. so, if anyone rents you a BD that does not have DTS, which some could argue is superior to DD although it's still a lossy track, that is a basis for a real complaint to a studio or even to NF .. otherwise, based on the BD standards, no HD audio is required .. so the studios are in full compliance with the standards as long as the mandatory encodes are on the disk ..

•Linear PCM (Mandatory)
•Dolby Digital (Mandatory)
•Dolby Digital Plus (Optional)
•Dolby TrueHD (Optional)
•DTS (Mandatory)
•DTS-HD High Resolution Audio (Optional)
•DTS-HD Master Audio (Optional)
post #719 of 921
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

This has been beaten to death already .. the key word is "substantially" .. I run a near reference system and if a bird chirps to the left side on a DD 5.1 disk , I hear the chirping .. surround is generally used selectively in films .. there is no complete immersion, it's selective ..

Now, below is a list of BD audio formats .. you'll notice that DTS is mandatory .. so, if anyone rents you a BD that does not have DTS, which some could argue is superior to DD although it's still a lossy track, that is a basis for a real complaint to a studio or even to NF .. otherwise, based on the BD standards, no HD audio is required .. so the studios are in full compliance with the standards as long as the mandatory encodes are on the disk ..

•Linear PCM (Mandatory)
•Dolby Digital (Mandatory)
•Dolby Digital Plus (Optional)
•Dolby TrueHD (Optional)
•DTS (Mandatory)
•DTS-HD High Resolution Audio (Optional)
•DTS-HD Master Audio (Optional)
Wait a minute - are you trying to say that every disc has to have a PCM, DD, and DTS track on it?
post #720 of 921
Hence why I said to tell netflix since that makes the "product" inferior..

and that would depend on a ton of variables.. it cannot be simplified the way you have tried to do.
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