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post #151 of 338
I wonder where QA was on the disc? The problem even occurred with one of their players. You would think they would try test versions before sending it to duplication. Usually you would test on the least compatible devices not just elite devices as you want as much revenue as possible. I saw the listing for the Director's Cut BD uses DTS instead.
post #152 of 338
I agree. Dolby sucks.
post #153 of 338
Quality control and assurance?
post #154 of 338
Thats it
post #155 of 338
A low audio bit rate and 16 bit sound didn't help either.
post #156 of 338
Lol
post #157 of 338
Dropouts and out of sync issues here too with ps3 and denon 2112, but rewinding did correct the sync issue each time. Would switch to PCM, but that introduces a random audio pop in right rear speaker. I would like a new disc since unlike others, I actually liked the movie.
post #158 of 338
Multiple audio dropouts and out of sync problems with my PS3/Onkyo combination (after taking so long to load that I thought it wasn't even going to play). Not getting my vote for disc of the year. Kept having to toggle between audio tracks to get the words matching the lips again.
post #159 of 338
Hopefully we get an answer sooner rather than later from someone on this
post #160 of 338
Well I just got an email from HMV saying Im getting a full refund, F**k Sony, let them learn a valuable leason, take care of your customers and encoding & proceesing quality of your duplication plants
post #161 of 338
Sorry double post
post #162 of 338
See today's DigitalBits for (a) player corrective advice, and (b) disc recall info: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/010713_1200

-Bill
post #163 of 338
Thread Starter 
Player corrective advice lol
post #164 of 338
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

See today's DigitalBits for (a) player corrective advice, and (b) disc recall info: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/010713_1200
-Bill

thanks for the link, i will try to get a replacement on this
post #165 of 338
I keep thinking Sony will release a firmware update for their players that might help as well... I played Stranger Than Fiction the other night on my Sony player, and noted it had a couple of minor audio drops. Nothing like what we have on Total Recall... but seems like there could be other minor issues as well.

Meanwhile... it is only fitting that this movie get a "Total Recall"... smile.gif
post #166 of 338
Not to be contrarian, but Sony has not done a "recall" on this release. They are still selling the defective discs in all retail outlets.
post #167 of 338
True. It's a replacement program for those who know about the problem and take the effort to get a new disc. I suspect when it is all done the number of original discs in the wild will vastly outnumber the replacements. We'll be hearing new complaints for years.

-Bill
post #168 of 338
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

See today's DigitalBits for (a) player corrective advice, and (b) disc recall info: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/010713_1200
-Bill

Ok, I have a question then regarding "corrective advice". They advise that if decoding through the BD player then we should switch to PCM. This is a work around and not a fix; therefore, why should I do this? This is not my actual question though. As with many other threads and many other BD's, this "work around" appears to be the accepted "fix". What I want to know is, where does the actual "fix" come in? Should it come through the distribution companies to actually correct and replace BD's so that bitstreaming is read properly? In my case with a PS3 slim, should Sony issue a firmware update? Or in the case of my receiver, would it/should it be Denon? Right now, albeit somewhat small, I feel like I'm not getting what I paid for. I know there are many detractors out there that will say there is no difference, but I personally feel that bitstreaming gives my home theater a better result including having my receiver tell me more information than "Multi-Channel In". Again, where is the "fix" in all of this?
post #169 of 338
Sony the disc maker is the responsible party. The change in authoring was unnecessary and they didn't test it properly.

If they replace this disc and don't make the error again, there is no problem with anyone's gear.

-Bill
post #170 of 338
What about those that also suffered dropouts with Disney's recent 'Brave' and 'Finding Nemo' will Disney be issuing replacements for these as well?

From what I've read these two titles (both 7.1 truehd) were encoded with the same file structure that afflicted 'Total Recall' so I suppose if a firmware update is forthcoming (player/AVR?) it should fix the problems with these as well.

Here's hoping.
post #171 of 338
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Sony the disc maker is the responsible party. The change in authoring was unnecessary and they didn't test it properly.
If they replace this disc and don't make the error again, there is no problem with anyone's gear.
-Bill

But this is happening with more than just Sony discs.
post #172 of 338
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Originally Posted by geoffreyc View Post

From what I've read these two titles (both 7.1 truehd) were encoded with the same file structure that afflicted 'Total Recall' so I suppose if a firmware update is forthcoming (player/AVR?) it should fix the problems with these as well.
Here's hoping.

Seems to me that the problem is Dolby's then, not Sony's.
post #173 of 338
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

But this is happening with more than just Sony discs.

I don't know if other reports are for the same problem. Maybe they use the same authoring technique, maybe a new development in audio codecs.

This disc is Sony's problem, as they have admitted by planning a reissue.

If it is a codec issue, then perhaps updates to gear firmware will allow the problem discs to play.

-Bill
post #174 of 338
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post


This disc is Sony's problem, as they have admitted by planning a reissue.
-Bill

Let's say it's a problem with Dolby's codec, Sony can still reissue/reprint but maybe that just means they'll use a previous codec instead. So even if the new copies are clean, that could still mean Dolby has to fix it, and manufacturers have to adjust with firmware updates. Still not Sony's fault. ...just so we're clear, I don't work for Sony biggrin.gif
post #175 of 338
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post


Let's say it's a problem with Dolby's codec, Sony can still reissue/reprint but maybe that just means they'll use a previous codec instead. So even if the new copies are clean, that could still mean Dolby has to fix it, and manufacturers have to adjust with firmware updates. Still not Sony's fault. ...just so we're clear, I don't work for Sony biggrin.gif

Well, yes, but: Sony didn't have to deploy a codec revision that had not been communicated to the hardware manufacturers, not even to their own player division.

Blu-ray has been out for years; time to stop experimenting where consumers are the lab rats.

-Bill
post #176 of 338
And again....advising me to switch settings on my gear is NOT a fix.
post #177 of 338
im pretty sure it is a disc issue, as i have played other blurays with similar codecs and have never had a problem once, other than this disc
post #178 of 338
If it is just a disc issue - ie a faulty disc/encode/pressing call it what you will I can't understand why Sony's statement included this:-

'SPHE is working with manufacturers on a possible firmware upgrade solution'

Surely they would just start replacing the discs and thats that. From what I've been able to learn on these forums and others is that this title and Disney's 'Brave' and 'Finding Nemo' use the same new type of encode - at least thats my understanding from the other threads for both Disney titles as well as numerous posts on the Oppo 93 forum.

I just hope they get it sorted soon - the forthcoming 'Monsters Inc' 3D also has a 7.1 Dolby truehd track as well although only on the US version - so will their be another thread come 2/19 discussing audio dropouts? I notice that the UK version only lists DTS-Master 5.1 hmm...
post #179 of 338
I go through so many movies at the theater and on blu ray, that I'd have to watch a movie I had seen in the theater again on blu to remember everything smile.gif.

The thing I remembered most about the theater viewing was an awesome hover-car chase. Upon rewatching it on disc, there's also a kick-butt futuristic combat chopper in a couple scenes. So the sci-fi geek in me really likes this movie smile.gif. There's ALSO a good gun battle inside a futuristic elevator transport-at zero gravity smile.gif. Theres robo-police here too, and one even was programmed to do marshal arts poses biggrin.gif!

Meanwhile they did a great job making the "ghetto" area of this earth truly look like a dark, dreary post apocalyptic slum.

The destruction of the elevator carrying the robot army was a dazzling fireworks show smile.gif.

One thing I wonder about...Kate Beckensale is the director's wife...so smile.gif...some people just having a kinky thing about watching their spouse make out with somebody else smile.gif...but why would he...or why would the studio allow him to...direct a scene where Colin is making out with his wife smile.gif? And he HAS to make it look passionate and convincing for the audience biggrin.gif! Well, what if Colin got too excited and put a little too much tongue into it biggrin.gif...it was just an odd situation. He MUST be best buddies with Colin to trust him biggrin.gif...!
post #180 of 338
what codec does "the avengers" have? i played that movie bitstreaming with no problem. is it the same or different?
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