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post #61 of 92
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I believe the word ironically is redundant with the word hypocritical. That would mean something like "the opposite of what you expect from someone whose actions run contrary to their statements", but really, what would that look like?

The irony goes beyond simply being hypocrtical here, and irony can be more complex to interpret than individual dictionary definitions can easily explain. By including the party designation in the location, he's not just being a hypocrite. The poster is offering a political statement (even though small) in EVERY single thread he contributes to. I had to laugh when I saw that.
post #62 of 92
What this means is that Walmart, Target and Amazon will be the only electronics retailers left in less than five years. It's as simple as that. Vanns always treated me well and I have only good things to say about my experiences with them over the years.

Best Buy sadly is a dead man walking, largely through one terrible decision after another over the last decade. They had the market to themselves after Circuit City went bankrupt and couldn't take advantage. There's no coming back from where they are at, the brand has been ruined beyond all repair.
post #63 of 92
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Coming from someone who misuses their location field to list a political affiliation, I find this comment ironically hypocritical.

post #64 of 92
Unless you have one with a Magnolia near you, Best Buy has very little selection of home audio anymore. The one near me doesn't even have the receivers plugged in! Speakers are Polk, Klipsh, those cheap Pioneer, or the BB Insignia brands.Without Vanns some of the smaller speaker companies may have trouble finding a place to sell their products. Lets hope some of the other sites step up to fill the void.
post #65 of 92
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Eventually the only places left to buy electronics will be Walmart and Amazon, at which point they will merge and form Omni Consumer Products. If you think things are bad now...

And that is SO convenient too. Already have a corporate logo for it.

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post #67 of 92
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That's an interesting new twist.
post #68 of 92
Fry's is still around, but they've whore'd themselves out to Bose recently.
post #69 of 92
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

I would normally agree with everyone on BB going under,but they just totally remodeled 3 stores by me. They are bases in Minnesota really close to me and there are 6 BB's within 3 miles every direction. The new stores are more akin to apples stores. Everything is white and futuristic looking. If they were in that much trouble I doubt they would be doing this. There is also a new Magnolia design center in one of them and they carry all the B&W high end speakers,Sonus Faber,High end Martin Logan,High end Def tech,it really is a sight to behold! They carry tons of stuff I could only read about before. So you might want to think again about BB going under for now. I do agree their employees are lack luster. And don't get me going on getting bothered every 2 mins by the employees. Seriously,it makes you want to leave. They need to let people look around and let the customer ask for help instead of getting badgered. Funny I mentioned this to the manager one time ,I told them they should have a central help center in the store people can go into for help,guess what,the one in Richfield has that now and its much better. Some people would rather shop online and not asked to be helped every 30 secs. BB is notorious for that and I really think it runs some people off..

While BBYs profits have taken a hit recently, they're still profitable. They're far from being done at the moment.
post #70 of 92
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Originally Posted by powerline777 View Post

Personally, instead of a big box store stocking the usual suspects ( Bose / Polk / ML...etc..etc), I'd like to see someone open up a retail showroom that has the majority of "off brand" speakers and accessories. Hundreds of speakers and receivers. Then in the front of the store, I'd like to have a large glass wall that prevents "consumers" from walking in and testing stuff out and bleeding the sales reps for information. You can look, but you cannot touch....unless you pay a $99 yearly fee to earn the right to test everything out. Pay the fee, and then listen, chat, experience and enjoy as much as you want. And when you are ready to buy? Sorry...we do not have any products for sale. For that you have to go online.
Separate the experience of shopping from the experience of buying. How many of us in the market for a new receiver or speaker would pay for the ability to do this?

The problem is, at $99, you would have to sign up many thousands of people for this to be worthwhile. Your expenses would probalby start at around $500k/yr, that means you wouldn't see a profit until you signed 5,000 people. Good luck with that. The only way I would even remotely consider doing something like this is if the products were given for free for demo purposes. But, I doubt that would happen.
post #71 of 92
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I believe the word ironically is redundant with the word hypocritical. That would mean something like "the opposite of what you expect from someone whose actions run contrary to their statements", but really, what would that look like?

Hmm, irony is usually for humorous intent, hypocrisy not so much. So it's ironic in a humorous way that he displays his political affiliation while condemning political speech in others, but hypocritical that he believes political speech to be automatically protected as long as it's his own, and not apply the same consideration to others.
post #72 of 92
The new consumer landscape is different. If your business isn't built around or optimized for the internet, that's an ineffective business model. People speak with their pocket books. Clearly Vanns business model wasn't ready for the new reality of online and brick mortar store coexisting. Someone else will emerge with a better model. I hope! smile.gif
post #73 of 92
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Any more word on this? I hope they can work this out.
post #74 of 92
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I haven't heard anything else.
post #75 of 92
Lots of great content in here. Wanted to add that with the concept I mentioned earlier, it would be my hope that small / mid sized manufactures lacking in distribution would chalk up the cost of a demo unit as a marketing expense. In exchange, the local rep or employee(s) would be trained at length regarding the features of the product. I am 100% certain that at first many companies would refuse to do this, but once the momentum kicked in more and more would be willing.

On the beer front, I think having a "bar / lounge" area kind of like Dave and Busters that is segregated from the retail component is more fitting. Personally for me, I know for a fact that when I bought some of the largest purchases in my life I had to leave the store and mull it over at a bar with my wife and a beer ( or two ). Also, from a retailer perspective consumers are more relaxed with their cards when they have one in them. Now if they gut smashed and buy too much that isn't the objective.

On another note, I'd build this outlet and block all internet reception and control the signal myself. I thought of this a few weeks ago and how cool would it be to offer free Wi-Fi but put Amazon and other shopping sites as "blocked" Just today I caught a note off a TechCrunch about another company springing up that is doing this and will HELP the retailer by being like Big Brother and offering discounts if Amazon is hit:

http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/10/swarm-seed-funding/

So basically if you are in Best Buy on the Swarm Wi-Fi signal and they catch you price shopping, wham, you are hit with a coupon. This is the right concept, but the data capture creeps me out since Swarm would essentially be in the data mining business and I hate that.

One more thing. The poster a while back who connected the dots with the Amazon warehouse in each state and then a "catalog" only showroom is on the right track. Amazon could soooooo do this and it would solve a lot of problems. It would be like this massive IKEA like place that is bolted on to the warehouse. instead of just serving beer, Amazon should attach like a theme park and ride for the kids so I can drop them off and listen to speakers for a couple of hours uninterrupted.
post #76 of 92
wow, crazy!
post #77 of 92
Just got a great deal from them last month. Sad to see them going out of business
post #78 of 92
im in billings, montana on business this week and the next. does vanns have any clearance sales going on? i was thinking about stopping by the store here in billings one evening. thanks
post #79 of 92
They always have clearance sales. Look at their website....
post #80 of 92
i realize their website has clearance and/or open box sales. i was just curious if there was anything above and beyond of that at their physical locations due to their financial difficulty.
post #81 of 92
For a company that seems to be on its last leg...they sure show no signs of any large clearance sales at this time! I assume that means there are legs to the rumor that they might survive this finacial crisis.
post #82 of 92
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

i realize their website has clearance and/or open box sales. i was just curious if there was anything above and beyond of that at their physical locations due to their financial difficulty.

I dunno but I bet prices are negotiable. They were willing to give discounts in the past on items that were not advertised on sale, also discounts on package deals.

What are you looking for?
post #83 of 92
i dont NEED anything, but then again, do i NEED a big tv and 7.1 surround? lol
i was just going to stop by and see if they had any deals that i cant afford not to pass up. smile.gif
post #84 of 92
You're already in town, you might as well stop by.

There can't be that many things to do in Billings, you've gotta have some free time.
post #85 of 92
ill stop by, you need anything specific afro gt?
post #86 of 92
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

i dont NEED anything, but then again, do i NEED a big tv and 7.1 surround

To remove any doubt.....yes, yes, emphatically yes, you need both, a big screen TV (Let's see, do I go 60" or 80"?) and a most excellent, at the least, 5.2 surround system. And if your walls are accommodating, one must have a 7.2 sound reproduction system.

There's water and oxygen with home theater being a close third place with women on modern man's needs list.
post #87 of 92
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

ill stop by, you need anything specific afro gt?

Nope, I've got too much A/V equipment as it is.

But if you want to buy me a 60" Panasonic Plasma I'll accept it! biggrin.gif
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post #89 of 92
I'm glad to hear that somebody bought them and they have a chance to survive at least in some form.
post #90 of 92
Thread Starter 

Regelbrugge bought into the new company and is one of the owners of Vann’s Acquisition. He has said he wants to bring the company back to its core business of selling high-end appliances to Montana customers.

Sounds like they're getting out of the electronics and internet sales business entirely. Not sure how much profit there is selling washers and dryers, but it seems like they're getting into brick-n-mortar as most others are getting out it.
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