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post #241 of 278
9/29/12 at 8:40am
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As a man who married into a family of lawyers I can tell you that lawsuit you are imagining is going nowhere. I'd venture to say that only the state of California would even consider such nuttiness... but even that notion is just a sarcastic joke I am making.

Don't try to bash California, if it wasn't for California the rest of the country would be in the dark ages. And yes, this is a very litigious society.
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post #242 of 278
9/29/12 at 9:21am
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I'm sorry, you must be thinking of Pennsylvania and New Jersey, where the lightbulb and the computer were both invented as well as music recording, motion pictures etc. all of which followed Ben Franklin's electricity experiment. I've had my fill of California pride over at city-data.com.

Haven't you ever heard, " As California goes so goes the rest of the nation"? I know, people like to bash California for many reasons, however we cannot forget what the Golden State has contributed to the advancement of this nation.
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post #243 of 278
9/29/12 at 9:24am
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The pope claims to know a lot about a god that does not exist. Like The Hulk said, 'puny god'. Paul Ryan claims to know a lot about how the world economy works, thanks to his bachelor's degree from Miami University of Ohio. You suggest that some experts decree ends all debate? I am not impressed. Good bye.

If Dr. Geddes stood alone on this issue that would be one thing, but his view supported my the vast majority in the scientific community, so as far this discussion is concerned, the matter has been decided, it's not really debateable, unless you want to refute him.
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post #244 of 278
9/29/12 at 9:32am
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I enjoyed the movie. There were some great scenes.
When IronMan entered the movie to AC/DC over the floating ship's PA system, When Hulk punched Ironman unexpectedly, Ironman's witty one liners, and Hulk's puny god sequence when he takes Loki and smashes him into the concrete over and over again like a rag doll and Loki just lays there and meekly groans. hahahh.
As another poster said - - it does certainty seem that Hulk is the strongest of the group. Ironman always makes me wince a bit, even though the whole movie is all obviously unrealistic, the fact that an ordinary human (no unique abilities) inside a metal suit can survive such terrific impacts is absurdity and hard for my imagination to cope with even when watching a fantasy movie like this. I don't know why I have trouble swallowing that plausibility pill and am able to ignore or accept many of the other impossible sequences in these movies, but an ordinary guy falling from the sky in a metal suit would splatter inside the suit regardless of suits durability when taking some of the impacts ironman takes. That said - Ironman is probably my favorite character in the movie.
I'll likely watch it again this weekend and turn it up louder. My wife and kids were asleep so I couldn't play it as loud as I would normally like. Bass didn't stick out in a good or bad way. it was just part of a great movie in an overall excellent sound system/audio track.

I thought the same thing on a few parts. BTW, Hulk hit Thor and not Ironman. Ironman never fell to the ground as Hulk caught him. I also thought that if Thor can crush his suit by just squeezing, then his hammer should tear it apart unless he was purposely holding back(I will assume this).
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post #245 of 278
9/29/12 at 9:37am
Who watched Avengers in a so-called IMAX theater?
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post #246 of 278
9/29/12 at 10:37am
Guys please stop this nonsense! There are louder infrasonics driving in you car than any movie scene, get over it already. Last time I checked this was a thread for bass in a movie, not spreading crap information for some unknown crusade.
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post #247 of 278
9/29/12 at 10:39am
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Guys please stop this nonsense! There are louder infrasonics driving in you car than any movie scene, get over it already. Last time I checked this was a thread for bass in a movie, not spreading crap information for some unknown crusade.

+1000 How are you still able to type on a keyboard MK, you should be dead as you watch some of these infrasonic movies above reference!
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post #248 of 278
9/29/12 at 11:03am
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The reason why its no longer debateable is because those with advance knowledge on this subject have already decreed it.
"At LF we simply cannot tell what we hear from what we feel." [Earl Geddes. PhD]
Now unless you know more than Dr. Geddes on this subject, I seriously doubt that you do as he has forgotten more about low frequencies than you and I know,so as far as I'm concerned the matter has been decided.
Now moving on and based on what I believe in some folks real motivation behind espousing that ULF stuff is some kind of class warfre. No I don't have stereo that get down 5hz and don't need one, its superflous, however that doesn't mean I don't have the $$ to get some infrasonic subs.
BTW, based on your criteria Dr. Earl Geddes wouldn't have an infrasonic system as his main sub in his system handles frequencies from 25-50hz which is what he considers ULF.

There were maps of the world long before Christopher Columbus. Just sayin. I have great respect for Dr. Geddes, but one mans boundary is another's expedition.
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post #249 of 278
9/29/12 at 11:06am
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Guys please stop this nonsense! There are louder infrasonics driving in you car than any movie scene, get over it already. Last time I checked this was a thread for bass in a movie, not spreading crap information for some unknown crusade.


The unknown crusade (which is being made known) is trying to make below 20hz content some kind of reference for good bass, that what's being challenged. Now if you personally like your subs to tingle your internal bodily parts, that's your own preference, but don't try to make it some kind reference.The issue of infrasonic is very relevant to the topic of this thread because the LF in the Avengers Blu Ray soundtrack is being rated and evaluated based upon amount infrasonic content contained in the soundtrack.
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post #250 of 278
9/29/12 at 11:27am
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The unknown crusade (which is being made known) is trying to make below 20hz content some kind of reference for good bass, that what's being challenged. Now if you personally like your subs to tingle your internal bodily parts, that's your own preference, but don't try to make it some kind reference.The issue of infrasonic is very relevant to the topic of this thread because the LF in the Avengers Blu Ray soundtrack is being rated and evaluated based upon amount infrasonic content contained in the soundtrack.

No what they are doing is driving the worthwhile contributors, innovators, and investigators of the field away from this forum. To leave it barren with only subjective comments and personal triumphs. Save the baloney for a sandwich.

What they are saying is the ultimate system contains full bandwidth audio reproduction. They have taken the time, money, and know-how and would like the information on the disk. They aren't saying people can't enjoy a movie without it, that can be done on a laptop. They are saying why settle for less when more is possible. If people can't do it, why do they care?
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post #251 of 278
9/29/12 at 11:49am
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What they are saying is the ultimate system contains full bandwidth audio reproduction.

Unless you have a different meaning, the last time I checked, full bandwidth would be 20- 20,000 hz, the range of human hearing. Anything below and above those points, in my opinion, is superflous. As I said, if you like to have a tingle in your internal bodily organs from ULF, that's your preference, I 'm not going to content with you on that, however don't try to impose that as some kind reference for good bass.
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post #252 of 278
9/29/12 at 11:54am
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Here was a good article about the NFL replacement refs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/engel-nfl-replacement-referee-debacle-should-teach-us-there%27s-a-high-price-for-low-cost-092712

I guess you can just bully the people who have been studying bass in their rooms and the real world for years. Fine you take over and start your own bass thread and let people decide based on your subjective comments on your 12" 30hz sub. Peace auditor you are blocked.

PS. Once Clay Matthews posted the commissioner's (Roger Goodell) phone number, I left him a nice message. Whether anyone actually listened to it or not I have no idea but it felt good none the less.
I have had about enough of this here as well.
Edited by Luke Kamp - 9/29/12 at 12:08pm
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post #253 of 278
9/29/12 at 12:45pm
I am not saying it is needed, I am saying when reproduced correctly the differences are cool. Unlike you I don't force my opinion on others which BTW will never happen on the Internet. Avengers bass is great compared to what exactly? Yes it blows battleship out of the water! The point is real life has infrasonics and it makes life what it is. You feel a train coming before it arrives and lets you know to get away! Why should that not be in a movie with a train? Your spec for 20-20khz does no matter because the spec for LFE is 3-120hz! You are the one trying to change it, I am just curious on what it feels like. We don't even need subs or a LFE channel is everything was dropped at 30hz. I would just but my JBL's and run full range in room!
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post #254 of 278
9/29/12 at 1:21pm
Ha, Luke I left a message for the commish too - we must have pushed him over the edge to get the deal done. biggrin.gif
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post #255 of 278
9/29/12 at 1:30pm
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Unless you have a different meaning, the last time I checked, full bandwidth would be 20- 20,000 hz, the range of human hearing.

Tell that to the the idjits who came up with that superfluous LFE spec of 3-120 Hz. Those dummies!
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post #256 of 278
9/29/12 at 1:37pm
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Tell that to the the idjits who came up with that superfluous LFE spec of 3-120 Hz. Those dummies!

You got their number?biggrin.gif
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post #257 of 278
9/29/12 at 1:51pm
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Ha, Luke I left a message for the commish too - we must have pushed him over the edge to get the deal done. biggrin.gif

Awesome, I was pacing after that game. Not only did it cost GB the game, but those refs screwed up my fantasy games! I would like to know just how many messages he received.smile.gif
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post #258 of 278
9/29/12 at 1:55pm
I bet there were a ton. Did you notice how smoothly the Ravens/Browns game went? We have underestimated how good the refs are all these years IMO.
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post #259 of 278
9/29/12 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

What is this madness?? I must check this out when you're done!
But yea about the film. Overall I would have to say the Bass was around 3.5. Nothing really memorable and the surround use was ok. Still a fun film to watch though!

Hey, Kevin! Yeah, these are the crazy speakers I was talking about making when we last were hanging out. They are also a large reason why I haven't been able to make it down south for a visit. They are mega $$$$. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

Placing both your subwoofers, in the same corner of the room, is a bad idea.
You should move one of your 18" subs, to the right corner of the room.
You'll get smoother bass response and greater overall dynamics.
Using multiple subs, means that each subwoofer is taxing its amp less,
leaving more headroom for instantaneous peaks.

Umm...lol. When did I ever say I was putting them all in one corner? I am making TWO subwoofer EACH with TWO drivers in them. Nobody knows what the orientation is yet so please don't make up such speculation nor do you know of it's inevitable performance as nobody would anyway. I think I know what I am doing, I designed the systems. Thanks a bunch anyway. wink.gif
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post #260 of 278
9/30/12 at 3:37am
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There are louder infrasonics driving in you car than any movie scene, get over it already.
There are? Just out of curiosity where do these infrasonics comes from - tire/road noise? wind noise?

Any idea how loud these can be?
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post #261 of 278
9/30/12 at 5:45am
While watching the movie at the theater that this will be good in my room, and it didnt disappoint. I was able to get the volume to a comfortable -8dbMV.

Infrasonics are part of the big picture, but not the end all. I watched it in my wifes room with dual BIC 200's and it sounded goods and looked good on her 60 Sharp. Her Energy HIT speakers did a decent job, but get a bit tizzy sounding at high spl's. Livingroom system sounded good, smaller picture as its a 40" and only one BIC sub.

I thought the mix was good in all rooms and the emotion came across quite well, hats off to the mixing guys.
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post #262 of 278
9/30/12 at 6:48am
The uncomfortable rhythmic pulsing that occurs when you open a window when going highway speeds is the most common, and one of the strongest infrasonic sounds that most people are exposed to on a regular basis. I've tried to count the pulses, I think it is in the 4-6 hz region depending on the size of the vehicle. The noise comes from the Helmholtz resonator effect, with the window acting as the bottle top and the car as the bottle.
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There are? Just out of curiosity where do these infrasonics comes from - tire/road noise? wind noise?
Any idea how loud these can be?
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post #263 of 278
10/1/12 at 5:55am
I noticed near the beginning of Avengers, when the Tesseract suddenly activates and opens a portal, allowing Loki to reach Earth, my entire room energized and shook.

WOW!!!

Not bad for a movie lacking deep powerful bass.
That scene is now one of my favorites that I use to demo my HT setup.

*Edit: Forgot to mention that the volume on my AVR was set at -26.5dB, well below reference level and my front subs set at -3.0dB and my rear subs at -3.0dB.

(Never could understand why some people run there powered subwoofers hot, thereby running the risk of shortening the life of there amplifiers.)
Edited by coolcat4843 - 10/1/12 at 11:29am
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post #264 of 278
10/1/12 at 8:56am
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I noticed near the beginning of Avengers, when the Tesseract suddenly activates and opens a portal, allowing Loki to reach Earth, my entire room energized and shook.
WOW!!!
Not bad for a movie lacking deep powerful bass.
That scene is now one of my favorites that I use to demo my HT setup.
*Edit: Forgot to mention that the volume on my AVR was set at -26.5dB, well below
reference level and my front subs set at -3.0dB and my rear subs at -3.0dB.
(Never could understand why some people run there powered subwoofers hot,
thereby running the risk of shortening the life of there amplifiers.)

Your volume settings have no meaning unless it means that you were 26 dBs below reference. If that is the case how can 90 dBs at 30-50hz wow anyone? I am curious.
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post #265 of 278
10/1/12 at 9:55am
Time for a fresh start/fresh take on this thread for me. I feel bad I got diverted into non-topical arguing but...

Last night my iNuke 6000DSP quit working. I likely contributed to its demise but the end result is what matters - I have swapped the iNuke for a Crown XTi-2002. It has less power, but the bass it produces has a different character - it is more articulate than the iNuke's bass and very low bass sounds are rendered with less distortion - overall the bass sounds quieter, but has more visceral impact. This is a good enough reason to re-watch Avengers right away, with an ear towards the sound. I'm certainly glad for the excuse since it is such an awesome movie. I'll be paying particular attention to whether any of the scenes 'move' me.
Edited by imagic - 10/1/12 at 10:16am
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10/1/12 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

I noticed near the beginning of Avengers, when the Tesseract suddenly activates and opens a portal, allowing Loki to reach Earth, my entire room energized and shook.
WOW!!!
Not bad for a movie lacking deep powerful bass.
That scene is now one of my favorites that I use to demo my HT setup.
*Edit: Forgot to mention that the volume on my AVR was set at -26.5dB, well below
reference level and my front subs set at -3.0dB and my rear subs at -3.0dB.
(Never could understand why some people run there powered subwoofers hot,
thereby running the risk of shortening the life of there amplifiers.)

Your volume settings have no meaning unless it means that you were 26 dBs below reference. If that is the case how can 90 dBs at 30-50hz wow anyone? I am curious.

It's those type of comments that make graphs important.wink.gif

P.S. not to mention how many times have we seen "my badboy polks shook my neighbours house" . The graphs that get posted here are far more telling than the subjective and very colourfull descriptions. imho
Edited by sputter1 - 10/1/12 at 1:14pm
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post #267 of 278
10/1/12 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

Time for a fresh start/fresh take on this thread for me. I feel bad I got diverted into non-topical arguing but...
Last night my iNuke 6000DSP quit working. I likely contributed to its demise but the end result is what matters - I have swapped the iNuke for a Crown XTi-2002. It has less power, but the bass it produces has a different character - it is more articulate than the iNuke's bass and very low bass sounds are rendered with less distortion - overall the bass sounds quieter, but has more visceral impact. This is a good enough reason to re-watch Avengers right away, with an ear towards the sound. I'm certainly glad for the excuse since it is such an awesome movie. I'll be paying particular attention to whether any of the scenes 'move' me.

I can believe what you're saying. I honestly don't know how those iNuke amps do what they do! We took the cover off one at the Omaha Subwoofer GTG and I was astounded. Must be powered with pixie dust and leprechaun farts...

Hopefully the Crown will serve admirably.
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post #268 of 278
10/1/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

Time for a fresh start/fresh take on this thread for me. I feel bad I got diverted into non-topical arguing but...

Last night my iNuke 6000DSP quit working. I likely contributed to its demise but the end result is what matters - I have swapped the iNuke for a Crown XTi-2002. It has less power, but the bass it produces has a different character - it is more articulate than the iNuke's bass and very low bass sounds are rendered with less distortion - overall the bass sounds quieter, but has more visceral impact. This is a good enough reason to re-watch Avengers right away, with an ear towards the sound. I'm certainly glad for the excuse since it is such an awesome movie. I'll be paying particular attention to whether any of the scenes 'move' me.

I'll take a bit of issue with someone claiming the Inuke isn't up to snuff. I've got quite a bit of experience with the Inuke DSP 3000 and it drove my Cap pros to within 3% of first place in movies against a pair of Seaton Submersives, and a pair of JTR Orbit Shifters, and a pair of JTR sealed Captivators, and even closer in the music audition. (% based on blind scoring of nine voters in the 2012 KC meet linked in my sig) That's not done on a junk amp.

Moreover. I now own a Crown XLS-5000 amp and the difference between the Crown and the Inuke is inaudible to me at similar volumes (within the capability of the Inuke) with identical EQ.... The XLS-5000 is an 80lb 3U 5000 watt amp, compared to the 2 U (mostly air, 7lb) Inuke DSP-3000. The crown will push significantly harder, but the inuke is no slouch.
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post #269 of 278
10/2/12 at 1:59am
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This is a good enough reason to re-watch Avengers right away, with an ear towards the sound. I'm certainly glad for the excuse since it is such an awesome movie. I'll be paying particular attention to whether any of the scenes 'move' me.

Try the scene I mentioned above. wink.gif
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post #270 of 278
10/2/12 at 3:13am
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The uncomfortable rhythmic pulsing that occurs when you open a window when going highway speeds is the most common, and one of the strongest infrasonic sounds that most people are exposed to on a regular basis. I've tried to count the pulses, I think it is in the 4-6 hz region depending on the size of the vehicle. The noise comes from the Helmholtz resonator effect, with the window acting as the bottle top and the car as the bottle.
Ah that pulsing! Yes I've experienced that before.

Any others?
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