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post #31 of 90
My 80-year old mom knows how to work the Replay and loves it. I have tried to introduce her to internet broadcasting & netflix but she does not like them as much. She has been working with computers for 30+ years and uses it for everything else. It is just easier to setup the record functions and then watch them at some later time in a neatly formatted "replay guide". I keep an extra Replay in case her unit needs work. The quality is still very good on a 32" HD set.
post #32 of 90
Almost ditto here. My 86 year old mother loves her Replay 5520. She records mostly Turner Classic Movies, some sports events, and Dancing With The Stars watching them at her leisure. Time shifting TV changed (and rocked) her world! Mom would be very upset without it and probably have trouble learning a new DVR system.
post #33 of 90
Why continue to use Replay? Well, I have 2 5000 series with big hard drives that are networked together. One in the living room and 1 in the bedroom. My wife primarily uses the one in the bedroom. She is a game show watcher and I am not. They may be getting old now, but are very reliable and my "non-techie" wife has no problem using them. If she can use it, anyone can. My daughter has a TIVO and I was over helping her just this past week. Every time I mess with that thing I am so glad I have the Replays. TIVO user interface is so slow after using Replay and not very intuitive as well. Of course the negative about Replays now is that they are unsupported by the manufacturer. But with the forums available and WIRNS, I get all the support I need. But they just keep running and need almost no attention. The other negative is they don't do HD. There was a period of time 2 years ago that I went from Comcast to Dish. At that point I used the digital antenna converter boxes so my Replays were hooked to the OTA antennas and I recorded non- OTA stuff from Dish on my Dish DVR. It was pretty good and I really got used to the HD, especially for football games and golf, but for any sports. I find "regular" TV shows just fine with Replays SD picture. But then a couple months back I got a great deal from Comcast on their "triple play" package (TV, internet, phone) so went with it and saved some money. By the way, their DVR is the worst I have ever seen. I had it for 2 days and gave it back to them, then hooked my Replays back up to Comcast with their digital box on the living room and DTA on the bedroom. Missed my HD sports so bought a Channel Master DVR Pal for OTA recording of the network stations and most of the golf and football games. But here is the new addition. I bought one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Lenkeng-LKV351-Component-Converter-Scaler/dp/B007YGR0AQ/ref=pd_ybh_6 . It converts the component output of the Replay to HD and up converts it at the same time. I can not believe the quality of the picture on my Panny Plasma TV. No, it is not as good as true HD, but it is great. So with this addition I hope to be using my Replays for a number of years. Just hope by the time they die that there is something out there besides TIVO that can replace them. Anyone with an old Replay should take a look at one of these little boxes. You will be amazed.
post #34 of 90
BigHarry ... You're saying the the Lenkeng box gives you better PQ at 4:3 aspect, not that you somehow get 16:9, right?
post #35 of 90
Correct. The Replay still records in SD and at the aspect ratio sent to it, but the quality is excellent. Much much better then normal "high quality" mode. And I record all sporting events in high quality. So if the signal is sent as 4:3, it is just a better quality picture. Likewise if it is a "letter box" picture like Thursday night football (Go 9ers), it is still letter box but a much better picture. If you get it from Amazon and don't like it, you can easily return it. I figured it was worth a try. I now enjoy Thursday night football, not to mention the golf tournaments on Golf Channel.
post #36 of 90
Some dittos, but with nuance!

I have had my replay for about ten years. In that time, I have gone through three hard drives, each one with a higher capacity than the last. I swear by my ReplayTV because:

  • Easy to fix
  • No recurring electronic programming guide (EPG) fees
  • Easy to set up
  • “Extended” with DVArchive (bless their hearts!) which allows the download and upload to PC of shows, movies, programs. This allows me to save a program I really want either in digital form or, with the help of Womble, to DVD.
  • Quiet (as long as you turn on quiet mode on your replacement drives and replace with quieter drives)
  • AUTOMATIC COMMERCIAL SKIP (no button pushing, set and mostly forget) has allowed me to save hundreds of hours over the last 10 years by NOT watching skipped commercials. Works 95% of the time, no change from 10 years ago when purchased.

If my DVR cost me $450 ($150 plus $300 lifetime EPG subscription) and I have had it for ten years, then my DVR, EPG, VCR, pseudo-video-sender, etc, etc, cost me about $45 a year. And that drops every year!

Sure, I spent a little more money replacing drives and buying video and DVD processing suites. Yeah, I have spent more time than I should replacing drives, making coasters before hitting on my perfect video suite combination, but I have more than saved that time by not watching commercials.

No, it doesn’t have two tuners (I bought another used one for that). I don’t know if there was ever an HD model, I am waiting for….I am not sure what. No, it has no apps (a couple of easter eggs, though!)

I have often felt that in more ways than most modern electronics, it it fulfills some or all of many of the items on Mr. Jalopy's Maker’s Bill of Rights.


THE MAKER'S BILL OF RIGHTS

  • Meaningful and specific parts lists shall be included.
  • Cases shall be easy to open.
  • Batteries should be replaceable.
  • Special tools are allowed only for darn good reasons.
  • Profiting by selling expensive special tools is wrong and not making special tools available is even worse.
  • Torx is OK; tamperproof is rarely OK.
  • Components, not entire sub-assemblies, shall be replaceable.
  • Consumables, like fuses and filters, shall be easy to access.
  • Circuit boards shall be commented.
  • Power from USB is good; power from proprietary power adapters is bad.
  • Standard connecters shall have pinouts defined.
  • If it snaps shut, it shall snap open.
  • Screws better than glues.
  • Docs and drivers shall have permalinks and shall reside for all perpetuity at archive.org.
  • Ease of repair shall be a design ideal, not an afterthought.
  • Metric or standard, not both.
  • Schematics shall be included
post #37 of 90
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Originally Posted by gring40 View Post

I'm enjoying an interesting capability (old news?) of my SS these days.
I have it connected to the composite output of an LG BD390 BluRay player, and the SS records to a 4:3 format that is laterally compressed, so changing the TVs (Hitachi LCD) format to 16:9 during playback gives me the original aspect back!
I can't move the recording off the SS due to copy protection, of course, but it's still useful if I want to take (or mail) a rental disk back but haven't finished viewing it yet. PQ isn't bad, IMO, and full-screen is great!
Maybe this 'trick' is particular to my equipment?
I do a manual record from my blueray or dvd player to the Replay via S-video. I then transfer the movie to my computer. I edit it with Womble or VideoRedo and convert it to xvid. Sometimes I create a DVD. Since the blueray and dvd input signals are so good, the replay mpg makes a very high quality DVD and compressed movie (xvid, divx etc.) .

I regularly record from my Tivo and do the same thing.

Also, as mentioned above, a widescreen picture recorded from a dvd player, cable box or Tivo etc. is in 4x3 format on the replay. However, the original format of the recorded movie is not actually changed. Put your tv on widescreen when you play the video from the replay. It will output at the correct aspect ratio.

On the computer:
When playing a replay mpg or compressed file made from a replay mpg, just adjust the aspect ratio in the video player you are using to get the proper output.
Edited by JJON2121 - 6/3/13 at 9:14am
post #38 of 90
With so many people canceling cable the need for a DVR goes up. I'm thinking about canceling and just using an antenna, but then how will I record my shows? I definitely think there is still value in such devices.
post #39 of 90
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Originally Posted by ldih View Post

With so many people canceling cable the need for a DVR goes up. I'm thinking about canceling and just using an antenna, but then how will I record my shows? I definitely think there is still value in such devices.
You can buy a used TiVo-HD on ebay, craigs list, etc.
The TiVo-HD has a legacy antenna input and can record two simultaneous streams in full HD from the over the air source. The picture quality of the HD material from the antenna input easily surpasses cable and satellite quality.
post #40 of 90
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

My wife uses her Replay to capture the AV output from the DishNet Receiver in the bedroom.
She subscribes to an ethnic package with 5 channels. Dish won't let you have one of their DVR's for that $15/month subscription- so the Replay works great for her in this role with the 25" bedroom TV.

I moved on to a TiVo-HD several years ago, and we have a free (for 2-years) HD DVR from the cable co too.
Fast forward almost 9 months from the above post....
I've had the Replay unplugged since Sept 2012, my wife now downloads all her shows to the (12 TB) NAS and watches them on the media player in the bedroom or she watches from her laptop in the kitchen.
I DL all my shows in 720p or 1080p from usenet and only use the TiVo-HD for sports and specials- it's actually unplugged until football season begins and the kids record their shows on the cable co HD-DVR.
Guess we're done with the Replay's now... frown.gif
post #41 of 90
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Originally Posted by ldih View Post

With so many people canceling cable the need for a DVR goes up. I'm thinking about canceling and just using an antenna, but then how will I record my shows?
Although I'm currently feeding 3 ReplayTV 5XXXs with a dedicated Magnavox DVDR each (CBS, NBC, ABC) via ClearQAM from FiOS, I also have a stockpile of CECBs for the transition to OTA via ATSC. I got FiOS Triple Play 2 years ago for $69.99 for 24 months no contract. My first call to cancel didn't result in anything close to a good deal, so, I went and bought a new rooftop antenna.

Now, with ATSC soon to be available, I can use my CECBs with IR Blasters for my RTVs (SD), my Magnavox DVDRs standalone (SD), and my newest SiliconDust HDHomeRun HDHR3-US Dual-Tuners (3 -> 6 tuners) feeding Windows Media Center (HD).

Plus, as mentioned by replayrob, you can go the TiVo route. Just be sure to get one with an ATSC / OTA tuner and not QAM / Cable only.

Did you buy ANY CECBs back when the government was issuing $40 off coupons?
post #42 of 90
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

...I've had the Replay unplugged since Sept 2012, my wife now downloads all her shows to the (12 TB) NAS and watches them on the media player in the bedroom or she watches from her laptop in the kitchen.
I DL all my shows in 720p or 1080p from usenet
and only use the TiVo-HD for sports and specials...
I remember over a decade ago, when Comcast had a 2GB monthly limit on usenet, downloading a few SVCD shows to see what kind of quality they were. IIRC, there were ~20-30 individual files and ~6-10 parity files. HDTV shows are going to be MUCH bigger. What's the size of an hour show?

Also, from the way things were heading years ago, don't you also need a separate Usenet Subscription? And, if your ISP is Comcast, aren't you limited to 250GB/month?

I also looked into torrents but worried about viruses. Is there a tool available to mark your weekly usenet shows and automatically d/l them? What container are they in (i.e. what's the file extension)? Playable on 'Plain-Vanilla' media streamers sounds good!

Thanks! smile.gif
post #43 of 90
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

I remember over a decade ago, when Comcast had a 2GB monthly limit on usenet, downloading a few SVCD shows to see what kind of quality they were. IIRC, there were ~20-30 individual files and ~6-10 parity files. HDTV shows are going to be MUCH bigger. What's the size of an hour show?
A typical 1 hr network show- like Revolution for example is 1.4GB for 720p, and 1.7GB for 1080p.
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

Also, from the way things were heading years ago, don't you also need a separate Usenet Subscription? And, if your ISP is Comcast, aren't you limited to 250GB/month?
Unlimited Use*** account is $10/month. My ISP doesn't have caps- and my streams are encrypted anyway.
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

Is there a tool available to mark your weekly usenet shows and automatically d/l them?
Sickbeard does all that.
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

TV shows and movies are all MKV, BD rips are ISO usually.
post #44 of 90
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Originally Posted by ldih View Post

With so many people canceling cable the need for a DVR goes up. I'm thinking about canceling and just using an antenna, but then how will I record my shows? I definitely think there is still value in such devices.

I thought most of the "cord cutters" are switching to online streaming, not going back to antennas.

post #45 of 90
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Originally Posted by barmar View Post

I thought most of the "cord cutters" are switching to online streaming, not going back to antennas.
Some can cut the cord 100% no cable co internet, no cable TV service.
I can see cutting the cable TV service because some have access to crystal clear 100% digital OTA HD-TV signals, but I have no idea how they function without internet service?

I guess the point that's been proved in the past couple of years is- that with some effort- you don't need the $150/month Silver cable TV package and $50 internet service if you have decent internet service for $59/month.
post #46 of 90
Why?
1, I don't pay a monthly fee as my lifetime payment was made once and the unit is still going.
2, I can record and transfer my recordings from my ReplayTV to my PC
3. I CAN SKIP FORWARD 30 SECONDS AND AVOID COMMERCIALS. Something TimeWarner and ATT won't let me do.
4. IT WORKS and I still like the interface better than anything else that I've seen.
post #47 of 90
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Originally Posted by spineless monkey View Post

Why?
1, I don't pay a monthly fee as my lifetime payment was made once and the unit is still going.
2, I can record and transfer my recordings from my ReplayTV to my PC
3. I CAN SKIP FORWARD 30 SECONDS AND AVOID COMMERCIALS. Something TimeWarner and ATT won't let me do.
4. IT WORKS and I still like the interface better than anything else that I've seen.
All at 480i/p resolution!
Doesn't look so great on a 47"+ TV....
post #48 of 90
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Originally Posted by spineless monkey View Post

Why?
1, I don't pay a monthly fee as my lifetime payment was made once and the unit is still going.
2, I can record and transfer my recordings from my ReplayTV to my PC
3. I CAN SKIP FORWARD 30 SECONDS AND AVOID COMMERCIALS. Something TimeWarner and ATT won't let me do.
4. IT WORKS and I still like the interface better than anything else that I've seen.

You probably haven't seen SageTV, but again it doesn't really matter, you can no longer buy it. Sage was bought by Google as a basis for their Home media stuff. It is still actively supported and you can get licenses on ebay and you get all of the above ten times over plus HD with the new cablecard tuners. A free alternative is Windows Media Center 7, with add-ons., but the interface is incredibly dumb and even mundane tasks take tons of clicks, right clicks, enter, enter, etc, etc. J River Media center is another nice candidate.
post #49 of 90
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Originally Posted by adone36 View Post

You probably haven't seen SageTV, but again it doesn't really matter, you can no longer buy it. Sage was bought by Google as a basis for their Home media stuff. It is still actively supported and you can get licenses on ebay and you get all of the above ten times over plus HD with the new cablecard tuners. A free alternative is Windows Media Center 7, with add-ons., but the interface is incredibly dumb and even mundane tasks take tons of clicks, right clicks, enter, enter, etc, etc. J River Media center is another nice candidate.

Unless your cable company is Time Warner who sets the "do not copy" flag on all stations. That kills #2 and #3 above. I'm not sure you can even use SageTV with encrypted channels.. I thought you needed Media Center.
post #50 of 90
The cablecard tuners decode anything you pay for. How can TW mark every station "do not copy"??? I thought FCC requires all cable companies to offer cablecards. If you have a cablecard in your Tivo on TW, you mean it cannot record???
post #51 of 90
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

All at 480i/p resolution!
Doesn't look so great on a 47"+ TV....
For most of what we record, it doesn't matter that two of my replays are hooked up to 65 inch TV's. We still love the convenience, interface, and cost.
post #52 of 90
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Originally Posted by adone36 View Post

You probably haven't seen SageTV, but again it doesn't really matter, you can no longer buy it. Sage was bought by Google as a basis for their Home media stuff. It is still actively supported and you can get licenses on ebay and you get all of the above ten times over plus HD with the new cablecard tuners. A free alternative is Windows Media Center 7, with add-ons., but the interface is incredibly dumb and even mundane tasks take tons of clicks, right clicks, enter, enter, etc, etc. J River Media center is another nice candidate.
I tried the WMC7 extender thing and agree it was too much hassle and not fast enough. Having the PC hooked directly to the TV might have made a difference. Can't beat the simplicity of a stand alone box designed to do what it does. And my family can handle that degree of complexity/simplicity across three TVs with no issues.

So long as these work, I am riding the wave. Then I will look at the $15/mth cable company dvr versus the ~$400 media PC and ~$100 HD tuner, plus cable card cost. The posts I read on cable card compatibilty with those HD tuners give me the shivers.
post #53 of 90
Never heard of any cable card compatibility issues. WMC 7 is simple enough to configure with the card and gets the guide from it. HDHomerun tuners are install and go.
post #54 of 90
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Originally Posted by adone36 View Post

The cablecard tuners decode anything you pay for. How can TW mark every station "do not copy"??? I thought FCC requires all cable companies to offer cablecards. If you have a cablecard in your Tivo on TW, you mean it cannot record???
It records, for viewing on that PC only. , for viewing on that TV only.
  • It can't be scanned by another application for commercial skip
  • You can't play the recording on another computer in the house.
  • You can't re-encode for a mobile device
  • Backups of recordings may be useless. It's difficult to backup all the decryption keys.

I tried it, but decided to stick with analog SD as long as I could. Then, I may switch to ATSC or live with the cablecard limitations.

The FCC says cablecard must be offered not how the flags are set. I even filed a FCC complaint, but just got a BS response from TWC.

Even CSPAN had the copy flag set and they allow their content to be copied.

Robert
post #55 of 90
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Originally Posted by thefish View Post

For most of what we record, it doesn't matter that two of my replays are hooked up to 65 inch TV's. We still love the convenience, interface, and cost.
When my wife was using the Replay on the 25" bedroom LCD TV the picture was OK, when we switched inputs to the HD cable feed- we could see the difference between the two feeds.
I've never viewed the Replay's 480p output on my 47" LED TV, but I imagine it must be pretty soft compared to 1080p feeds....now I can't imagine "it doesn't matter" on a 65" TV. It must be a very soft image at the least...
post #56 of 90
I don't use my ReplayTV much, but I view SD on a 47" all the time via my Media Center box. I notice the sharpness of HD, but it's not worth 10x the disk storage to me or my wife for "normal" TV. Certain shows do get recorded in HD (ATSC).

Robert
post #57 of 90
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Originally Posted by adone36 View Post

Never heard of any cable card compatibility issues. WMC 7 is simple enough to configure with the card and gets the guide from it. HDHomerun tuners are install and go.
Glad to hear the tuners are plug and play. Most of what I read was about getting premium channels to work and lack of support from cable companies. Of course, I haven't done this myself.
post #58 of 90
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

When my wife was using the Replay on the 25" bedroom LCD TV the picture was OK, when we switched inputs to the HD cable feed- we could see the difference between the two feeds.
I've never viewed the Replay's 480p output on my 47" LED TV, but I imagine it must be pretty soft compared to 1080p feeds....now I can't imagine "it doesn't matter" on a 65" TV. It must be a very soft image at the least...
Oh yes, very soft. Replay outputs component to Denon Avr which up converts. We also watch blurays, stream 720p, and HD cable box for the stuff we care about the quality. For the other programs, it is more about the convenience and cost, than the quality of the recording.
The second 65inch TV is in the kids room and they don't complain and love to skip to their favorite parts, skip commercials, etc.

What I love most is the instant navigation to any point in a show and the 30s skip ahead and 8s instant replay. Whenever we watch bluray, stream or whatever we pine for those features. So spoiled by the convenience.

I love how direct TV, fios or whatever else currently brags about how you can pause your show in one room and pick up in another. I've been doing that for 10 years thanks to the forward thinking of the built in networking. I still remember explaining time shifting, networking etc to guests and they would be like why would you want to do that. 10 years later they are like look how I can pause my live TV now, and I am like wow that's so special for you.
post #59 of 90
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Originally Posted by spineless monkey View Post

Why?
1, I don't pay a monthly fee as my lifetime payment was made once and the unit is still going.
2, I can record and transfer my recordings from my ReplayTV to my PC
3. I CAN SKIP FORWARD 30 SECONDS AND AVOID COMMERCIALS. Something TimeWarner and ATT won't let me do.
4. IT WORKS and I still like the interface better than anything else that I've seen.

I have to grin here. Two years ago my cableco took away all analog channels except for a handful, which made continuing to use my Replay 50xx units more problematic than I was willing to deal with. So I jumped into the digital world--with Windows Media Center. The result:

1, I don't pay a monthly fee
2, I can record and transfer my recordings from my 7MC to my PC very quickly and easily
3. I CAN SKIP FORWARD 30 SECONDS AND AVOID COMMERCIALS. Something TimeWarner and ATT won't let me do.
4. IT WORKS and I like the interface better than anything else that I've seen that can handle digital and hi-def.

I could go on with even more advantages, but suffice it to say that 7MC is the true successor to Replay 50xx. Anyone who sticks with Replay because "nothing else comes close," has his head stuck in the sand.
post #60 of 90
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Originally Posted by adone36 View Post

The cablecard tuners decode anything you pay for. How can TW mark every station "do not copy"??? I thought FCC requires all cable companies to offer cablecards. If you have a cablecard in your Tivo on TW, you mean it cannot record???

The cableCARD simply enforces what channels you are enabled for by the cable company, then streams the bits to disc. Those bits may include DRM that keeps you from processing that show in any way other than watching it on the PC that recorded it (that includes streaming it on a Windows Media Center extender or similar).

The cableCARD has nothing to do with the DRM that's contained within the bits sent by the cable company. The cableCARD is a passthrough device.
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