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post #61 of 90
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Originally Posted by thefish View Post

I tried the WMC7 extender thing and agree it was too much hassle and not fast enough. Having the PC hooked directly to the TV might have made a difference. Can't beat the simplicity of a stand alone box designed to do what it does. And my family can handle that degree of complexity/simplicity across three TVs with no issues.

So long as these work, I am riding the wave. Then I will look at the $15/mth cable company dvr versus the ~$400 media PC and ~$100 HD tuner, plus cable card cost. The posts I read on cable card compatibilty with those HD tuners give me the shivers.

What posts on cableCARD compatibility?

Don't be scared. It really just works.

Plus, do the math: one single $15/month cableco DVR vs. a four or six tuner media PC plus $2.50/month cableCARD rental. At some point, the media PC pays for itself.

For me, it paid for itself on day one when it skipped commercials just like my beloved Replay 50xx did. Not having to deal with the crappy cable company hardware and all of its limitations and horrible interface--priceless.
post #62 of 90
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Originally Posted by thefish View Post

What I love most is the instant navigation to any point in a show and the 30s skip ahead and 8s instant replay. Whenever we watch bluray, stream or whatever we pine for those features. So spoiled by the convenience.

Same here with Windows Media Center.


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I love how direct TV, fios or whatever else currently brags about how you can pause your show in one room and pick up in another. I've been doing that for 10 years thanks to the forward thinking of the built in networking. I still remember explaining time shifting, networking etc to guests and they would be like why would you want to do that. 10 years later they are like look how I can pause my live TV now, and I am like wow that's so special for you.

Same here with Windows Media Center.

In HD...
post #63 of 90
Maybe using the Xbox extender effected my experience. Unfortunately I don't see my wife letting me put an htpc in the living room. Besides no need to spend more now when replay is already paid for. When it goes I can evaluate the cost/benefit.
post #64 of 90
Not sure what you mean by "the extender affected my experience". The extender doesn't change a thing about using MC in any way.

As for HTPC in the living room....it's quite common for people to build a media center PC that sits out of the way somewhere, and just use extenders at each TV. Now with the Ceton Echo, there's nothing of any size or power usage to speak of to worry about.
post #65 of 90
I used my Xbox as an extender and noticed more lag than replay when using. Maybe it was my network or other factors, but for now I am fine with my replays.
post #66 of 90
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

All at 480i/p resolution!
Doesn't look so great on a 47"+ TV....
I have to disagree, at least on my tv. I have a Vizio 55" LCD that is less than 2 years old. I record a HD picture on my replay via s-video from a blueray player and via composite from my Tivo premiere.

Since the replay records at 10mb speed, the resulting output quality of the picture from the replay on my Vizio tv is very good. Certainly better than a standard DVD.

I do know the picture on many much older LCDs is not as good as on newer LCD/LEDs. My computer monitor is a 6+ year old Vizio VW37L 37" LCD. When watching movies from the replay or when playing one on the computer, the picture on my 55" puts the 37" picture to shame.
Edited by JJON2121 - 6/15/13 at 10:03pm
post #67 of 90
Another RTV use is to record DVDs off my BluRay player, typically a disc rental I need to return (often a TV series). It records in 4:3 SD, but compressed laterally, so that I can expand the aspect to 16:9 and view the original proportions. At the higher RTV quality levels, the PQ is not bad. Can't copy it elsewhere due to DRM, but have no interest in that.
post #68 of 90
A waste of time since you could rip the bluray to your pc in a couple of minutes and watch it at any time.
post #69 of 90
yeah, I'm seeing a trend here: people hanging on to RTV as much out of ignorance as anything. They have it working, and think that's the *only* way it could work.

I don't deny the idea of "if it's not broke, don't fix it" but so much has happened over the last 5 years, you may not realize how broke your workflow is until you start looking around.
post #70 of 90
ignorance is an insult. be careful. I prefer cheapness and convenience in my case.


and the trend of defending replays shouldn't be a surprise. remember which forum you are in.
post #71 of 90
Ignorance isn't an insult. If I don't know something, I'm ignorant of it.

the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.

Ignorant:

1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.


One can defend ReplayTV, but my point is that the foundation of such a defense is ever more so ignorance of what's happening out in the non-Replay world.

That's not to say that ReplayTV doesn't work. Likewise, I can continue to choose to defend using my horse to travel between New York and Washington, because it works. But in 2013 choosing not to know about or recognize cars as a better way to do it, is a bit odd at best.

And playing your Blu-Ray Discs over s-video to a Replay, real time, is the tech equivalent of continuing to ride your horse.
post #72 of 90
I was steadfast Replay up until it was stupid to be so. When TivoHD came out and there was little HD content, my old Replay network was STILL light years ahead of Tivo. When content became more available, I unloaded my Replays (all with lifetime) for close to what I paid for them (another blow to the imbeciles who swore up and down on this forum that "lifetime" was a losing deal). My current system is like Star Wars compared to Buster Crabbe's Flash Gordon serials from the 30s.
post #73 of 90
I'll throw in my opinion, as I'm one who watches way too much TV

First off, I currently use two R5k'S as my cable provider still serves up
analog. I also use two low cost Win7 Media Center PC's. One with a 59 dollar
Hauppauge 2 channel cablecard, the other with a 25 dollar Clear QAM and Analog
ATI card.

I still get guide information from Replaytv servers, but use WiRNS as it's great to
see what's on both Replays at the same time.

My mom is on Comcast, who removed most all analog, so I have her ReplayTV talking
to their set-top box with a Gray's cable.

Long story short, I'll keep using the replays for SD content until analog over cable is gone.
They are more reliable than the 7MC boxes (granted, I tinker too much trying to get the Media
Center boxes to perform better).

Ironically, I built the Cablecard system because my cable company considers my Cablecard and
Internet a "bundle. I'm actually saving 10 dollars a month by getting the cable card over my previous
cost of Internet over cable alone.
post #74 of 90
Replays are no more reliable than WMC7. WMC7 is an absolute dog only because it takes forever to perform even the SIMPLEST tasks that one uses in recording and playback. But in terms of scheduling recordings and the resulting success or failure therein, it always works.
post #75 of 90
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Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post

One can defend ReplayTV, but my point is that the foundation of such a defense is ever more so ignorance of what's happening out in the non-Replay world.

That's not to say that ReplayTV doesn't work. Likewise, I can continue to choose to defend using my horse to travel between New York and Washington, because it works. But in 2013 choosing not to know about or recognize cars as a better way to do it, is a bit odd at best.

And playing your Blu-Ray Discs over s-video to a Replay, real time, is the tech equivalent of continuing to ride your horse.

Well I just use it to record TV - I can't speak for others who have other uses for them. But you seem convinced that the people here are defending their use of replaytv out of ignorance. That assumption seems unfounded based on what I read here which is why it seemed more of an insult IMO. Sure there is always something better. And I, like others here, have tried alternatives and decided there is still some use in replay for us. Convenience and cost, not ignorance, is what drove my decision.

The horse analogy is silly. Do you think replay users are like the Amish? Maybe it is like driving a car from 10 years ago that you still like, but not a horse.
post #76 of 90
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Originally Posted by jonwz View Post

I'll throw in my opinion, as I'm one who watches way too much TV

First off, I currently use two R5k'S as my cable provider still serves up
analog. I also use two low cost Win7 Media Center PC's. One with a 59 dollar
Hauppauge 2 channel cablecard, the other with a 25 dollar Clear QAM and Analog
ATI card.

I still get guide information from Replaytv servers, but use WiRNS as it's great to
see what's on both Replays at the same time.

My mom is on Comcast, who removed most all analog, so I have her ReplayTV talking
to their set-top box with a Gray's cable.

Long story short, I'll keep using the replays for SD content until analog over cable is gone.
They are more reliable than the 7MC boxes (granted, I tinker too much trying to get the Media
Center boxes to perform better).

And there's the issue.

Do you "tinker" with your ReplayTVs in the same way? No, you don't. You leave them alone, letting them be ReplayTVs.

You know what happens when you let your Windows Media Center boxes alone to do DVR work? Yeah. They just *work*.

Just because you *can* fiddle with them, doesn't mean you should or it makes sense to. Right out of the box, 7MC does a fine job. Let it be what it is, and twiddle on separate hardware.
post #77 of 90
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Originally Posted by thefish View Post

Well I just use it to record TV - I can't speak for others who have other uses for them. But you seem convinced that the people here are defending their use of replaytv out of ignorance.

That's what I'm seeing in this thread--people who don't realize how far the multimedia world has become, people who are cocooned inside the ReplayTV world that "works so well" (and in fact it does) and therefore simply don't bother to see if there are better ways to do things now, 10 years or more after buying their first ReplayTV.

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That assumption seems unfounded based on what I read here

Well, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

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Sure there is always something better. And I, like others here, have tried alternatives and decided there is still some use in replay for us. Convenience and cost, not ignorance, is what drove my decision.

I wasn't directing my comments at you, clearly. You're not ignorant--you've made informed decisions.

But many are making UNinformed decisions, and I see that here.


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The horse analogy is silly. Do you think replay users are like the Amish?

Well, those who choose to play their Blu-Ray Discs out s-video, realtime, to a fancy VCR (that's what the Replay is at that point) seem like it. As someone pointed out, you can rip the disc way faster and maintain its quality.

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Maybe it is like driving a car from 10 years ago that you still like, but not a horse.

no, not at all. Your example would be like ripping a disc using software that doesn't convert to a modern file format that might play on a wider variety of newer devices. You're still driving the car, but you don't have satellite radio in the ten year old car. But you have a car, with a radio. And air conditioning. And all the modern conveniences.
post #78 of 90
Actually, "right out of the box" it doesn't work all that well. Go read the "green button" and see people complaining about the native windows codecs. And "right out of the box", you don't get many of the add-ins that make 7MC worthy of the effort. For example ability to resize the screen to remove the insipid scroll bars from sports, or the ability to control it from any other computer that you happen to be using.

I'm glad that you and adone36 cream your shorts over 7MC. But not glad that you come here to trash on anyone that continues to use Replaytv's Maybe it's time for you guys to go someplace else.
post #79 of 90
Well, I'll tell you this: it's every bit as easy "out of the box" to set up and mimic exactly what Replay does--and then some.

I have no idea what you're talking about with respect to native codecs. The only codec issues I've seen are when people install third party codecs that screw up their system. They do that to try to get WMC to display movies they've ripped to some format or another that isn't supported natively by WMC.

As for "add-ins that make 7MC worth the effort," there's only one: commercial skip. With that add-in installed, WMC is the same as Replay 50xx--with, natively, many improvements. If you're talking about more than that, then you're talking about taking 7MC way past what Replay can do. And that's never been the discussion here.

I'm sitting here watching Netflix on my 7MC box, using the remote control. That's one area where it's better than Replay. And I can minimize MC completely and use the fact that the computer's monitor is a large display with superb speakers, fire up a web browser, and watch all 2.5 hours of the Tony Awards on Youtube. I know for a fact ReplayTV can't do that.

All natively.
post #80 of 90
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Originally Posted by adone36 View Post

A waste of time since you could rip the bluray to your pc in a couple of minutes and watch it at any time.

Sure I could do better technically, but needn't be disparaged for 'wasting time' or 'hanging onto RTV out of ignorance' for doing something that doesn't involve ripping (off) someone else's digital content. That's old-fashioned?
Edited by gring40 - 6/18/13 at 8:07am
post #81 of 90
No just still dumb. Doubly dumb since you are the one who claimed you do it to watch "rental dvds". Triple dumb if you consider recording to replay is not really any different in terms of DRM than ripping.
post #82 of 90
We bought a ShowStopper in 2000 and a 45xx series ReplayTV in 2002, and they performed exceptionally well. The pluses are many, fairly easy to upgrade the hard drive, which I did more than once, snappy performance, good feature set, intuitive UI, and no monthly fee. But as much as we liked them, they recently found themselves without a job.
They were connected to DirecTV SD receivers via serial cable and Patterson Translator. In 2007 we made some changes. With the purchase of a 56” HDTV, we opted for DirecTVs HD DVR service, and a switch to VoIP meant the ShowStopper’s modem no longer worked. The ShowStopper headed to the garage, and the 45xx series took its place in the bedroom.
In 2012 we noticed that our viewing habits had changed. We were watching a lot of shows on Netflix and Hulu, and the local channels we watched OTA because my wife liked the quality over DirecTV. We realized that for $93 per month, DirecTV was being used almost exclusively for “Cable News”. Goodbye DirecTV.
Unfortunately without DirecTV, I had nothing to connect up to the ReplayTV. They provided great service for over ten years, but in our case, their time was up.
To fill the void left behind by the DirecTV DVR, I put together a mini-ITX PC with Windows 8 Media Center along with a Hdhomerun dual ATSC network attached tuner, and rooftop VHF/UHF antenna. That and the two Xbox 360s consoles provide us with all we need.
Edited by JavaJohnNV - 7/10/13 at 9:53am
post #83 of 90
I'm in the same boat, can get a lot of stuff streaming through my Roku box and recently installed an OTA antenna and was amazed at how many OTA channels there are as well as the quality...OTA just blows away anything Comcast or Directv provide (generally no compression on OTA). My Reply 4500 system has been in limbo now for over a year, it was great at the time, but with HD pretty much the norm, it's tough to watch compressed SD on my 4500.
post #84 of 90
I use mine two ways. First I like to sit outside and listen to TV news and sports. The replay is perfect for that with the addition of an FM transmotter. And the commercial skip is wonderful. Also I can control my Replay with a slingbox on a PC, MAC, Iphone, Ipad and android. Second it acts as a video server when I travel when connected to the slingbox. It records 16X9 and is perfect for an internet server. I travel two month a year and is great to have the replay anywhere in the world, and did I mention it skips commercials! (I have two Replays on line so I can dual record)
post #85 of 90
With Remote Potato, Win Media Center gives Slingbox capability natively--no slingbox needed.

Of course, that includes commercial skip...
post #86 of 90
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Originally Posted by thefish View Post

Convenience and cost, not ignorance, is what drove my decision.

Mine, too.
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The horse analogy is silly. Do you think replay users are like the Amish? Maybe it is like driving a car from 10 years ago that you still like, but not a horse.

It costs money to feed and board a horse.... much more than the alternative modes of transport.

My Replays cost me nothing but a yearly sub to SD, and the electricity to run them... And with the latter, would be expected with any other solution.

Cheers!
-Doug
post #87 of 90
I will be craiglisting in SF 2 RTV 5040 units with Liftetime subscription along with a bunch of Samsung speakers, a 5 disc dvd player, cable box, and one philips divx player. All in perfect working condition, will also include e the speaker stands.

One of the RTV has been upgraded to 100+GB HD the other is OEM and has never been used both with Lifetime subscription and remote.

What do you guys think will be the best price i can get for this package (please see attached pic)?


Edited by cyrnos - 8/20/13 at 9:39pm
post #88 of 90
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Originally Posted by cyrnos View Post

I will be craiglisting in SF 2 RTV 5040 units with Liftetime subscription along with a bunch of Samsung speakers, a 5 disc dvd player, cable box, and one philips divx player. All in perfect working condition, will also include e the speaker stands.

One of the RTV has been upgraded to 100+GB HD the other is OEM and has never been used both with Lifetime subscription and remote.

What do you guys think will be the best price i can get for this package (please see attached pic)?
No disrespect intended- but pretty much everything (with the speakers being the exception) you're looking to get rid of is obsolete and worth next to nothing in 2013.
post #89 of 90
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

No disrespect intended- but pretty much everything (with the speakers being the exception) you're looking to get rid of is obsolete and worth next to nothing in 2013.

None taken, thanks for the feedback! I've seen RTV on Clist/fleabay going for ~$60 with Liftetime like the 2 i have, that's why i thought that they will be worth something. Good to hear that the speakers are worth something though :-)
post #90 of 90
I think that your best bet would be to find a neighbor who's hosting a garage sale- and have them put out your stuff- offer them 50% of the proceeds of whatever sells.
Too much funny business and too many bottom feeders/scammers trolling Craigslist nowadays to expose yourself for the $50 you may get.
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