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post #31 of 54
I think jevans64 is correct. After re-reading your other replies it looks like you may have the surrounds hooked to your B outputs instead of the surround speaker terminals. Check that when you get a sec.
post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

OP. I'm sure you have already checked this but I just want to verify your surround speakers are connected to the correct posts since you mentioned the sound alternating when you pressed the Speaker A/B button.
You should have a set of 8 clip-type receptacles ( 2 rows of 4 clips ) for your surround speakers. The TOP 4 clips are for the Right +,- and Left -,+ if you want to run TWO sets of front speakers. The bottom 4 clips are for speakers in surround mode. They are clearly labeled but if you are hooking them up with the receiver in a confined space, it would be easy to blindly choose the wrong clips.
If the speakers are wired correctly then run the HDMI from PS3 to TV and the TosLink from PS3 to receiver's Optical Input. Use one of the three you have depending on whatever source you want to come from when everything is turned on. If your Samsung TV has an Optical OUT, then you can run the TosLink from TV to Receiver using the Monitor Optical Input. You'll have to decide which is best for you based on the other components, like a Cable or Satellite Receiver, in your setup. There is probably a setting somewhere in the PS3 for changing the audio out from HDMI to Optical Digital depending on how you have to run the TosLink ( to Receiver or from TV ). It has been 5 years since I messed with a PS3. Also look for anything in your " Speaker Setup " menu that allows you to assign the amp sections to specific binding posts if the speakers are wired properly.

Everything setup is exactly as you mentioned.
post #33 of 54
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im going to post all the pics I took last night in a few minutes. Waiting for the email from my phone to compu.
post #34 of 54
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Ok.

First pic you can see top left of screen on receiver Speakers A and B are set when I turn it on:


2nd pic, when I hit setup a few times it goes to the test speakers mode and goes one by one testing all the speakers.
When this happens, the front 2 speakers dont make a sound and the rear speakers make a croud noise sound for some weird reason.
And the sub hums.


3rd and 4th pic, this is when you can change the distance of where your speakers are positioned and let the receiver know:



5th pic, this is where I click on surround and it shows all the speakers are there working (but obviously the back have no sound):


6th pic, shows me clicking the sound mode to dolby and showing everything thats supposed to be on:


7th pic, shows if its changed to Digital, it shows no speakers in the boxes:


8th pic, shows the front sticker of the receiver, maybe help you guys out?


9th pic, shows when I click OFF speakers B leaving A on, this now allows the back speakers to work but they only make surround sounds no words during a movie, and now the front speakers dont work at all.


10th pic, shows when I click off A leaving B on, rear speakers dont work and front speakers DO work with sub.


ok the rest of the pics are the back part of my receiver and the wiring setups. I think they are exactly as you guys described.




and here is the back of my PS3:


NOTE* I do not have the center speaker connected throughout all this because I dont know where I would put the positive and negative wires for it on the back of the receiver. I have no room for it. I dont know if this matters.

Thanks guys, I hope this helps you guys out and understanding everything thats going on.

Thanks
post #35 of 54
That's the problem right there. You need to hook up the front two speakers to the round posts to the left of where you have it now and hook the center channel to the round posts marked center. The lower two spring connectors are marked surround for the back speakers. Those are the only two sets of wires that should be connected where you have all of them now.
post #36 of 54
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

That's the problem right there. You need to hook up the front two speakers to the posts to the left of where you have it now and hook the center channel to the one marked center. Then find the connections that are marked surround for the back speakers.

the posts, do you need a plug for them. I know this might sound like a dumb question (im a newb) but I tried putting the wires through them and tightening them but the wires wouldnt stay, they would just come out.

also, the reason why i wired them the way they are now is because I followed the manual that came with the surround sound speakers.
post #37 of 54
The wires go into a little slot on the side of the round post. Unscrew them, insert the wire into the space on the side, hold the wire there so it won't fall out, and screw it down tight. It will clamp the wire down to hold it in. You need something called banana plugs to utilize the center holes.

The manual for the speakers doesn't take into account all of the different setups that receivers have. It is more of a generic guide.
post #38 of 54
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

The wires go into a little slot on the side of the round post. Unscrew them, insert the wire into the space on the side, hold the wire there so it won't fall out, and screw it down tight. It will clamp the wire down to hold it in. You need something called banana plugs to utilize the center holes.
The manual for the speakers doesn't take into account all of the different setups that receivers have. It is more of a generic guide.

Ya I was trying that but they were falling out. When I get home ill try it again and see if they stay. The wires for the speakers are very thin, not your average speaker wire, Sony half assed them in this one.
And thanks a lot for your help bro.
Ill let you know if I can get them working tonight.

Thanks!

WOW EDIT, I messed up, I tried putting the wire through the middle of them and that wouldnt stay. I understand you now, after looking at the pic, it looks like theres a spot to run the wire on the side of them as you said.
Ok cool, ill try that tonight.

Thanks and sorry im an idiot. lol
post #39 of 54
You'll have to screw them down tight for those skinny little wires but they should hold them as long as they are in far enough.
post #40 of 54
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

You'll have to screw them down tight for those skinny little wires but they should hold them as long as they are in far enough.

got it.
one more thing, does it make a difference to get banana plugs? cause I can probably go pick some up and run them in like that, or should I just wire them in?
Any difference with the 2?
post #41 of 54
No difference other than convenience. They do give a pretty good connection. I like them because it makes it easier to hook and unhook things.
post #42 of 54
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

No difference other than convenience. They do give a pretty good connection. I like them because it makes it easier to hook and unhook things.

ok thanks again
post #43 of 54
As ff said, you got the connection to the wrong one. The fronts are connected to Zone B. One question, where is your center connected now? I cant see that in the picture.
post #44 of 54
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Originally Posted by RR Cholan View Post

As ff said, you got the connection to the wrong one. The fronts are connected to Zone B. One question, where is your center connected now? I cant see that in the picture.

I didnt have the center hooked up because I didnt have a spot for them available until I found out how to wire them in using the left colored plugs like FF told me.

And, just a question, why doesnt it work with the way I set them up. Whats the difference of plugging them in the plugs instead of just wiring them in the spot where I did?

Thanks.
post #45 of 54
The reveiver is capable of supporting two zones. Based on the picture it seems that you have connected your front to the Zone B where as the surrond looks common or only for Zone A. The plugs are meant for Zone A. So Zone A (plug) takes the front and center and the other one takes the surrond (the one you have connected, bottom line). So when you switch to Zone B the front (and may be the surrond )must be working and when u switch to A the surrond must be working.
post #46 of 54
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Originally Posted by RR Cholan View Post

The reveiver is capable of supporting two zones. Based on the picture it seems that you have connected your front to the Zone B where as the surrond looks common or only for Zone A. The plugs are meant for Zone A. So Zone A (plug) takes the front and center and the other one takes the surrond (the one you have connected, bottom line). So when you switch to Zone B the front (and may be the surrond )must be working and when u switch to A the surrond must be working.

ahhhh i see now.
ok so when I get home, ill move the front speakers to the plugs and add the center speaker. And I will leave the rear speakers wired in where they are now, on the bottom row labeled as "surround"
is this correct?
post #47 of 54
You got it.
post #48 of 54
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Originally Posted by RR Cholan View Post

You got it.

thank u sir and thanks to FF for all your help guys.
Ill let you know how it goes tonight.
post #49 of 54
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Gentlemen my problem is solved thanks to you guys and a simple wrong wiring.
All speakers work now and everything sounds perfect.

One last question, it seems like the talking in the movie comes from just the center speaker is that supposed to happen?
post #50 of 54
yes, that should be the case. If you can adjust the speaker setup distance you wont feel that much.
post #51 of 54
It's not the setup distance but it's the center channel level that he can adjust down if it's too loud. The distance adjusts the delays not the level.
post #52 of 54
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Got it, I adjusted the level of db's of the center channel works perfect now.
Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help you guys gave me.
post #53 of 54
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Originally Posted by kobehobe View Post

Got it, I adjusted the level of db's of the center channel works perfect now.
Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help you guys gave me.

Glad you got everything sorted out. I didn't even think that you wouldn't use the big binding posts to the left of the clips. You could strip off about 1.5" of wire insulation, twist the wire, and fold it over a couple of times. I found doing that made it easier to keep the wire tight in the binding posts. You could even " tin " the bare part of the wire with a soldering iron to keep the wire from fraying. I wouldn't bother with banana plugs unless you were running low gauge wire, like 8 to 12 gauge.

As far as measuring speaker distance. In the good old days I used to tie a piece of string to a camera tripod or mic stand set to ear level at the listening position and feed out the string until I reached the measured speaker's tweeter. I used the old nautical trick of tying knots in the string every foot, so all I had to do was measure the last partial foot to the speaker. I entered this data into the distance setting for that speaker. After that was done I used an SPL meter to set the speakers to the correct volume, with the center being +3dB above the rest. Setting the Center that way is personal taste, of course, and only a guideline.

That was before we had Room Correction, Bass Management, REW ( computer software ), and laser range-finders.
Edited by jevans64 - 10/4/12 at 2:50am
post #54 of 54
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

Glad you got everything sorted out. I didn't even think that you wouldn't use the big binding posts to the left of the clips. You could strip off about 1.5" of wire insulation, twist the wire, and fold it over a couple of times. I found doing that made it easier to keep the wire tight in the binding posts. You could even " tin " the bare part of the wire with a soldering iron to keep the wire from fraying. I wouldn't bother with banana plugs unless you were running low gauge wire, like 8 to 12 gauge.
As far as measuring speaker distance. In the good old days I used to tie a piece of string to a camera tripod or mic stand set to ear level at the listening position and feed out the string until I reached the measured speaker's tweeter. I used the old nautical trick of tying knots in the string every foot, so all I had to do was measure the last partial foot to the speaker. I entered this data into the distance setting for that speaker. After that was done I used an SPL meter to set the speakers to the correct volume, with the center being +3dB above the rest. Setting the Center that way is personal taste, of course, and only a guideline.
That was before we had Room Correction, Bass Management, REW ( computer software ), and laser range-finders.

ya im a newb so I thought those binding posts were just for plugs which my speakers didnt come with.
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