Bose Acoustimass 10 with Pioneer VSX-1022-k Speaker Settings - Page 3

You were already building and modifying speakers in college?

That's great.

Me, on the other hand, I was one of the idiots burning out tweeters by clipping amps. So sad.

If you had followed the thread you would have seen I was basically suspected of shilling because I had posted almost exclusively in Bose threads. I merely am pointing out I originally posted in those threads, which I did not start, with the intent of answering the O.P.'s questions.

I have not attacked anyone over their speakers, so your claiming my "agenda is to bash anyone who doesn't think Bose speakers are a good value" is totally bogus. Please produce proof to the contrary.



I'm tempted to ignore your post due to your tone, but since you did ask about my 901's, I will say my current pair are Series VI, bought new in 2009. I previously owned a pair of Series IV's back in the seventies. Before my first pair, I owned Large Advents. Between pairs of 901's, I have owned ESS amt-1b's, Klipsch Cornwalls, Amrita Reference Standards, Klipschorns, B&W 703's, a/d/s/ HT400LCR's, Mobile Fidelity OML-2's, Energy RC-50's, Polk LSi-9's, Klipsch La Scala II's and RBH MC-6CT's. I never "stopped paying attention" to anything, audio-wise. After going through all those speakers and blowing lots of money (although I admit I enjoyed it all!) I have come full circle, it seems. I enjoyed all my speakers, but in my room, my"dream" speakers (klipschorns) just plain didn't sound good. The 901's sound wonderful in the same room. So go figure. It is what it is. You can think what you want about my speakers and about me. I'm just telling my experience with them. If you are interested, read the Tone Audio review of the 901. It's pretty much spot-on although I would take issue with a few minor points.

http://www.tonepublications.com/review/we-review-the-bose-901/
Edited by dat56 - 10/4/12 at 12:38am

As stated previously, I owned Large Advents. I had them and 901 IV's in the same room and though I did prefer the Advents at that time, in that room, I would in no way say they blew the 901's away. It would really depend on what particular areas of speaker performance you valued most, imho. If clarity and pinpoint imaging were your thing, you'd go for the Advents, if life-like sound at life-like levels were more important, the Bose would be your choice.

My avatar shows the internals of the 901. You and your college buds duplicated that?...including the sub-enclosures and porting? And the EQ is active, not passive. Plus, you admit using different drivers. I would not call that a knock-off...or a fair fight.
Edited by dat56 - 10/4/12 at 12:53am

Comparing Bose to Magnepan? That is the most ridiculous comparison I have ever heard. Why is it that Stereophile or The Hometheater or Audioholics or AVguide/Absoluite Sound dont review Bose speakers?

I have owned Magnepan MG12 and I have also auditioned the MMG in my room. The MMG's are just $600/pair and they beat any bookshelf speaker I have ever heard. MG12's are even better. Add a decent sub for some $600 to the MMG or MG12 and you have a combo that many box speakers in the $2000 price range cant beat. The only problem is that you need a large room for the Magnepans. It would be interesting to see the reaction in the Magnepan owner's thread to that comparison.

There is no way any Bose speakers can beat that
Those are the Magnepan MG12's. The only reason I had to sell them was that they were just too big for the room.

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Don't think I should actually post it here since it might violate a forum rule... There is an animated emoticon that shows a stick figure typing on a computer, the typing gets more violent until the arms turn into bloody stumps followed by the head. Ends up in one bloody mess. That would be the reaction of a Magnepan owner upon reading a post favoring Bose over the MG12's.

Bose speakers are sold as great value to unsuspecting, ignorant consumers who either do not have the background to do any research before buying or who do not bother to do any research and are just happy with the Bose stuff they buy from BestBuy no mater how expensive they are. That is the kind of market Bose is after even though that is basically ripping off ignorant consumers.

But I dont care as it is the fault of the consumers to succumb to such deceptive marketing tactics without educating themselves about what is available and what is a better value for the money. But to compare Bose to Magnepan which is such a reputed speaker brand of great value from the bottom to the top models, is just ridiculous and outrageous.

Even guys at AVS forum who stopped by my house when I sold my Klipsch RF82 didnt know that those MG12's were indeed speakers and they asked me if I built those? Their jaw dropped when they heard the clarity and sound stage when they asked me to play them as they were curious as to how they sound. . That is how unique Magnepan speakers are i.e they are not B&M speakers and to compare them to B&M speakers like Bose is not fair. I have posted that link at the Magnepan owner's thread and would love to see what folks there have to say.
Edited by Mupi - 10/4/12 at 4:38am

I started in high school. I really got into it in college after hitting the library and reading books written by Paul Klipsch and Harry Olson, and the Journal of the AES.

If I had followed the thread? I'm the fourth poster in it and have replied to you several times. So sure you are. Here's your first post in this thread:

Look at the flaming, accusatory tone of your post. That was quite clearly a personal attack on all those who had posted in this thread. Reread the beginning of the thread. Now certainly flying_fool's post was disparaging of the Bose corporation, but neither afrogt nor I said anything other than we thought there were better values and we offered suggestions. There was no "anti-Bose tirade." Instead, you attacked people over their suggestions because you didn't like that we offered some advice. It doesn't matter whether or not you agreed with it, and it doesn't justify that kind of generalizing language or that tone.

And, you are the one who stated that is your purpose here, once again choosing to generalize everyone's actions as a Bose-basher:

Just because someone disagrees with you, that does not make them a basher.

That's pretty cool.

Flaming? ...Hardly. Accusatory? ...Heck yeah! The OP asked for help with his system; not after-the-fact buying advice. But what did he get? ...after the fact buying advice tainted by anti-Bose bias. For example:

"millions have been suckered by Bose" (show us the numbers, then!)

"But you can definitely far exceed the sound quality of the Bose A10 if you can use larger, full range speakers in your setup and spend the same amount." (you can also exceed the performance of your Mini Cooper if you get a Camaro for the same amount!)


"You could definitely get a better setup for the same or less money. I like the RC-10 & LCR recommendation myself since I have those speakers." (And the RC10's are how much bigger than the Bose??)

--and that was just from the posts in this thread prior to my first one. No one attempted to answer the op's question. Not one. That was my beef, which you all still will not address. All you can do is bash and trash Bose with every post, like broken records. Again...pathetic! And where is my "personal attack"??? Can you quote one or are you flat out delusional?

I own Bose 901's, so thanks for the insults. Sorry you are so upset by the review in Tone Audio. I actually like Maggies, apart from the limited bass and dynamics, what little I've heard them.

So with little you have heard, you have concluded that they have limited bass and dynamics? Didn't I say that I used a sub with the MMG and MG12? Sure the lower models like MMG and MG12 have limited bass as they don't have a very large surface area which is needed for the planars to produce bass. Go to a Magnepan dealer near you and listen to the MG1.7 and tell me how you like the bass. I would rather pay some $2200 and get the Magnepan MG1.7 (if I had space in my room) than pay $1400 for some Bose speakers.

You claim to have heard/owned many great speakers but at the end you only seem to like the Bose 901's LOL

You are never going to be able to sell Bose to people here as most people here are very well educated and even if someone comes here asking about Bose they would be steered away from buying Bose as it just does not provide good value for the money.. So any attempts you make here at selling Bose as great speakers are going to be futile.

And BTW, it is an insult to compare Bose speakers to Magnepans and say that the Bose speakers are better.

It would be an insult to call Bose crap too. An insult to crap, that is.

Hmmmm....Must be new to the Internet. Look up "flaming" on your own.

Name calling. Making accusations against other people. No, that's not a personal attack against other people. How old are you?

And it's obvious that your question has already been addressed in this thread. You just don't like the answer. Get over it.

i found it funny how hes defending bose. Did bose give him a wod sum of money to defend the brand?
your paying a ridiculous amount of money on something that logitech sounds better than.

also 'interesting' that he's defending the AM 10, but he's never even said he's heard it except "in stores, many times", but he owns and likes 901's...

Yes, limited bass and dynamics is what I said. That is my experience, which as I also said, is very limited; years ago, in fact...probably the early or mid 80's. The model I heard may have been the 1.5 or 2.5 or something like that. I would expect larger ones to have more bass and better macro-dynamics. Yes, you mentioned the use of a sub...why mention it again?

So you would rather have Maggies...again what is your point. I'm not attacking Maggies. I said I liked them. Sorry I'm not slobbering over them for your gratification. They're not perfect. They have their strengths and weaknesses like other speakers do. It just so happens, strong, clean bass and uncompressed dynamics are important to me, so I'm unlikely to ever go with a planar magnetic or electrostatic speaker.

I did not "claim to have owned many great speakers". I just listed what I've owned, for the most part, anyway. I didn't make any value judgements. My experience was called into question and I responded, that's all.

I'm not trying to "sell: Bose speakers here in any way or form. I couldn't care less what you people think. When someone asks a question about their Bose speakers, I would like to see it addressed in a respectful, helpfull way. Apparently that is expecting too much, though. And I didn't say I only liked the Bose. I said in my current room, the 901's sound better than the klipschorns and B&W 703's I had previously. That's just the truth. They sound better -- to me! Sorry if that ruffles so many feathers. Y'all are sure a sensitive bunch!

Who said they are better? Show that, please.



Nice. College man, huh? "In the industry"? ...oh, I'm so impressed!



Yes, "he" gets big bucks from Bose for going to internet forums and defending them. Wouldn't be a bad gig, actually...Bose, you listening??



I guess I don't see your point. I've heard the Acoustimass systems much more often than the Maggies. I don't know what my owning (and loving) 901's has to do with any of what your saying. Sorry.

I bought the Advents myself when I was 16, loved those speakers.

Many many years ago all I bought was Sony gear. I had a Sony receiver, a Sony surround sound package, Sony tape deck, etc. I was looking to beef it up a little bit by buying better speakers. Best Buy had just opened up, so I went there to look at what they had. They had a Bose display that was situated just outside the area they had set up for show rooms. I brought my own media to demo and the sales person was nice enough to let me use that to try out on the different speakers they had. I did audition the Bose system. While it was " just OK ", it WAS NOT worth the asking price. I couldn't afford the Klipsch at the time, so I walked out with a JVC " front three " speaker set which sounded WAY better than the Bose for 1/3 the price. Of course they were three times bigger too. That was probably around 1997 or so because I had also bought a Pioneer DVL-700 so I could play both Laserdiscs and the new-fangled DVD discs.

My tone is due to your tone, just thought I'd throw some back at ya. Of course I'd read the thread and your comment just grated. Only speakers I know I've heard in your list are the ESS speakers...used to ship them and got a pair of samples. They were okay but just didn't sound right.

That "review" is interesting. Most interesting comment was the room full of people thing...the one time I actually loved the 901s was at a party, they did do well in that environment but he had them hung from the ceiling which helped. I've listened to them several times otherwise (all back in the 70s) and found them....lacking. He kinda lost me with the connector comment, lost all respect at that point. A guy who can hear differences in wire! "Swapping the 16-gauge wire for a $199 pair of AudioQuest Rocket 33 speaker cables, and the supplied RCA patch cords for two pairs of $39 AudioQuest Copperhead interconnects, brings greater focus to the overall presentation". What a tool.

A friend of mine was involved with helping his father in law setting up a sound system in a bar, and they got sold some commercial setup by Bose (probably because it was an established company, as father in law was big into traditional corporate kinda guys as that was his world before he bought the bar). My buddy ended up getting sold on the new AM systems at the time by the Bose rep, swore they were awesome so I bought one without even hearing it (can't remember model, but was the "bass module" plus two sats consisting of two pivoting micro speakers each). I installed it, but it didn't even compare to the Cambridge SoundWorks Ensembles I had at the time, so I sold them at my cost to a friend who thought it was a great deal (half of retail at the time). He still has them, tried to talk him out of them many times but likes how they look and sound. He just bought one of the cinemate things for his new flat panel...but this is a guy who thinks the preinstalled ceiling speakers in a whole house setup in a house he bought sound good enough even though they simply don't let alone his Bose stuff. Some like Bose, I can't see/hear it personally. Not even the 901s.

Glad your 901s work well in your room....the room can be a cruel mistress so if it works it works...

Seems like most reviewers claim to be able to hear differences in things that I can't. Wire, fuses, magic dots, all that stuff. I can't say they're not hearing what they say, but I will say I can't hear it. And I doubt if they could in a double-blind test.

My pair of 901's are hanging 18" from the ceiling, 17" from the front wall and 37" from the side walls. The room has been real hard to get good 2-channel sound in. It is quite dead and a little too squarish, which has led to serious bass issues. The k-horns were horrible in there. bass below 125Hz was extremely rough and thin overall . The B&W's were better but still had trouble below 125 Hz. I don't know why, but the Bose make loads of bass in the same room, solid all the way down below 30Hz. I know the Tone Audio review mentions a roll-off below 40Hz, but he had'em way out from the walls. As for the room being too dead sounding, I thought the 901's would be the fix for that because of the way they radiate, and they were. In a better room, I might think the 901's suck, too...but I doubt it. I don't think I would want them in a real big, lively room, though. I think it would be too much "stereo everywhere".

I agree that the room is the big cheese when it comes to sound. You either have to fix the room or adapt to it or some mixture of both. Some rooms are easy, some are difficult. Mine is difficult. I had actually given up on the room and moved my 2-channel stuff into another with a pair of RBH towers, which I still have, btw; but the 901's worked well enough to let me go back into my man-cave and be happy with the sound.

Yeah, I know. I used to be on the same side of the fence as y'all. I always kinda looked down my nose at Bose, other than the 901's, which I have always liked. Maybe I'm just gettin old and deaf, but I really like the few Bose products I have. Call me a recycled Bose fan-boy!
Edited by dat56 - 10/4/12 at 11:30pm

Now you claim that you owned yet another good brand (RBH) and yet you went back to the Bose?

It is very hard to believe that after hearing speakers like Advent, Klipsch, B&W, RBH etc. you would end up liking the Bose

It is also very hard to believe that someone who seems to be familiar with a technical term like Frequency Response would end up liking the Bose sound, when it is well known that the Bose sound has gaps in the Frequency Response LOL

It is also very hard to believe that after hearing/owning many great speakers that are much better value for the money, one would end up liking the Bose

I have seen only 2 types of Bose owners here

1) People who are totally ignorant and buy Bose stuff but soon realize that they didnt get the value for their money, come here for alternatives, end up returning the Bose and get something that is a better value like the OP did (He has started a different thread!)

2) People who are also ignorant but not inclined to do any research at all either before or after their Bose purchase and just get Bose based on word of mouth. They dont care how much they spent. All they want is some sound from something that is very unobtrusive, irrespective of the fact that the sound is flawed with gaps in the FR, which they wont figure out anyway.

I dont think you fit in any of those 2 categories. Even if someone is not familiar with technical terms, if someone just knows that many speakers brands like Advent, Klipsch, B&W, RBH etc. exist on this planet, they would not throw away money on Bose speakers.

You are just being paid by Bose to promote the brand. Like I said before, no matter how hard you try, you cant promote the Bose brand here. You may have better luck if you do this standing in front of BestBuy ot Target.

The OP has already returned his Bose speakers and bought something that is better value for the money. So stop promoting the junk and go home.

Oh good grief. This place is amazing.

That's great that the 901s work for you in your room and make you happy. And if someone is looking for speakers they can suspend from the ceiling for a 2 channel music setup in a square sealed room, I don't see anything wrong with making the recommendation.

But no one here will agree that your experience translates into Bose Acoustimass as a good value. In this community, there is an overwhelming consensus that BA is a poor choice for HT. You don't have to agree with that, but now that you know, it would be idiotic to start a flame war every time someone else recommends an alternative to Bose Acoustimass. Doing so in this community makes about as much sense as a pro-choice advocate raising hell in Vatican City, or a gun control advocate doing the same at an NRA rally. This is not a Bose fan community. If you want to champion Bose at every turn, YOU are the one in the wrong place. Just as with those examples I just listed, you will quickly be voted off the island.
Edited by cel4145 - 10/5/12 at 9:03am

That is why you should stop promoting junk like Bose here.

You are just wasting your time in promoting a wrong product to a wrong crowd.

Yep, and it's like listening to a Bears fan sitting on the Packer side at Lambeau Field griping because the fans are giving the Bears crap. LOL

bose are not so bad helped me with the speakers i have now.i won a bose acoustimass6 a few years ago at a charity auction and put it on craigslist the next day and within 6 hrs. i had 6 fish on the line waiting to buy this overpriced junk.thank god theres still people who are uneducated about good quality sound and buy bose so it could help fund for the great speakers i have now. thanks bose