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post #31 of 364
Just called my local store and they said they have them in the back but aren't allowed to sell them until 10/8
post #32 of 364
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Originally Posted by Walt Reardon View Post

Pencil Icon on lower right of touch screen. That's a good question. This is probably how you can create some customized things on the remote as mentioned earlier in these posts. Completely new for Harmony line. Have no clue.

Yes, I'd say the pencil icon is probably tied to the "On-remote customization" noted in the feature list. Presumably, so you don't need to plug it into the computer for every little tweak.

As a former Harmony user, I have to say that this does nothing to change my mind about these remotes - the bang for the buck is just not there. Try a Philips Prestigo for half the price.
post #33 of 364
How did you manage to get that screen shot?

I picked one up from my local best buy today. I had purchased an 1100 over a month ago and when I read online that these new ones came out, I went in and exchanged it.

I plugged it into my macbook pro and went to "myharmony.com" as instructed and followed the steps. It's showing me how to plug the remote into my computer, but none of the remotes listed is the "touch"

I'm going to charge it for a bit and try again later. Maybe the battery is dead.

I looks and feels pretty solid. I have had the harmony one, 1100, (700 I think) and now this one. I love touch screens so I think I'll like this remote once I get it working.
post #34 of 364
Just got home with one from Best Buy. So far the Good: Can transfer data from other Harmony Remote, You are allowed to choose your source of TV signal and they have all the channels and icons for your favorites.

Right now I am syncing and charging. Will post how it works in a few
post #35 of 364
Well that was quick. Taking this back this week.

First the display is much better than the one or the 1100

Ok, one difference from the One to the Touch: The Activities on the one are laid out in a grid for you to choose. On the touch the screen shows one activity on the screen and then you scroll thru to go to the other activities. Not too bad


So lets say you chose Watch TV. Works fine, however the TOuch feature is kind of oddly layed out. The basically laid out from top to bottom links for: 123, gestures, page up, page down, skip forward, etc. So instead of using the screen to allow users to set up a "media"type of screen (like the 1100) you have to scroll thru these labels until you find the one you want.

Also the "gestures" tab I am hoping they are still perfecting it. It is basically a grid like thing. If you quickly go from top/bottom or bottom top, in will change the channel. right/left or left/right is fast forward and rewind. Tap middle and it is pause. This is ok, but I do not see a way in which a user can identity what it should do. However when I was in the Directv Menu bar, I tried to scroll down to the Recordings tab. Unfortunately the device is not sensitive or capable of just going down one menu item at a time. It kind of just goes down 2 or 3 levels.

For instance I tried it with my PS3. I thought it would act like a touch pad. Nope. It seems they programmed the PS button and perhaps the colored icon shapes. (I only think that because when I scrolled these icons would pop up.) Well actually I just found something. There is Information icon of the gesture screen. It tells you what the gestures can do. For instance on the PS3: left to right "O", Right to left "Square", Tap is "PS", bottom to top "Triangle"

For Watch DVD gestures appear to be: Fast Forward, Rewind, Pause, Open Menu, Close menu (last two appear to be that)

Overall feel of the device is actually nice. Fits in hand well, but the upper and lower keys are kind of a stretch to reach. Unfortunatly these are keys you need.

You can also edit some of the activities and other things from the remote. For instance you can change the devices to use for Activites, add/remove channels from Favorites.


I bought this as I think I am a geekoholic. I also thought it would be more like a 1100 in a form factor like the One. Not to my liking. I think if they perfect and make the gestures more customizable they may have a new One on there hands.

Well I am going to post some pictures if I can figure out how




post #36 of 364
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yeah, terrible layout. I love their remotes, but to me the best re-fresh they could have made, was re-write the horrendous software.
+ Billion fold . . .

Horrendous is putting it politely. Their software and TS is . . . Tripe at best.
post #37 of 364
You're not kidding.
post #38 of 364
Thanks a lot for that, Shrktank. So taking it back - doesn't surprise me.
post #39 of 364
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this is not the latest Firmware/Software on the unit.
My friend was able to purchase one and upon connecting it and doing some digging it appears the software on the remote shows signs of being from June 2012.

We'll have to see what happens when the remotes go live on the Logitech site.
post #40 of 364
Yeah taking it back. Again nice concept, nice form and all, but not ready for prime time. Just wished they could have made the touch screen like the 1100 touch screens. Then they would have a winner!!
post #41 of 364
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Originally Posted by bsk4life View Post

Wow, I don't see actual buttons for skip forward/backward on that remote. I don't think I could deal with that. I just might have to stick with the One.

The skip forward and back buttons are actually on the touch screen itself. As I am sure you can see, there are not many hard buttons on this remote. Many of the buttons are soft buttons that are accessible via the touch screen. On one hand, it gives a more simplified, less intimidating look to the remote. For those of us used to having the vast majority of the functions available via a hard button, there will an adjustment period. One very cool aspect of the touch screen is the scrolling feature - similar to that of an iPhone. As you are looking for the various soft buttons, you can swipe up or down on the touch screen and it will scroll in the direction of the swipe. The soft buttons can be arranged to your liking so that the buttons you use the most are at the top and the least used functions are on the bottom. Programming is done through a web interface. I use a Mac so I had to download and install Microsoft Silverlight for Mac, which I hated doing, as well as the Harmony web browser plugin for Safari. One other very cool feature is from within any Activity, Watch TV for example, you can open a "Gestures" window on the remote. This option loads a full screen that allows you to use gestures to fast forward, rewind, play, pause, and swipe up and down for when browsing the Guide. These same functions can be accessed through the hard keys but the gestures simply allow for a different option to access these common buttons. One last cool option is when programming the remote, you can enter your zip code, select your cable / TV provider, and a list of all available channels is provided. From this list, one can select up to fifty favorite channels, with already attached logos, to add to your remote. These channels can instantly be accessed from the soft keys by selecting the star button on the top, left hand side of the touch screen.

The remote comes with a very nice charger/docking station. When charging the remote sits vertically in the station and is securely seated. I am coming from a Harmony 880 with the horizontal charging base that eventually fails. The new docking station is a very welcomed change.

Please let me know if there are any other questions I can answer.
post #42 of 364
When is Logitech going to make a remote with a keyboard or other useful features for things like an HTPC. For now, I'll keep my 900.
post #43 of 364
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Originally Posted by Snowbum View Post

The skip forward and back buttons are actually on the touch screen itself. As I am sure you can see, there are not many hard buttons on this remote. Many of the buttons are soft buttons that are accessible via the touch screen. On one hand, it gives a more simplified, less intimidating look to the remote. For those of us used to having the vast majority of the functions available via a hard button, there will an adjustment period. One very cool aspect of the touch screen is the scrolling feature - similar to that of an iPhone. As you are looking for the various soft buttons, you can swipe up or down on the touch screen and it will scroll in the direction of the swipe. The soft buttons can be arranged to your liking so that the buttons you use the most are at the top and the least used functions are on the bottom. Programming is done through a web interface. I use a Mac so I had to download and install Microsoft Silverlight for Mac, which I hated doing, as well as the Harmony web browser plugin for Safari. One other very cool feature is from within any Activity, Watch TV for example, you can open a "Gestures" window on the remote. This option loads a full screen that allows you to use gestures to fast forward, rewind, play, pause, and swipe up and down for when browsing the Guide. These same functions can be accessed through the hard keys but the gestures simply allow for a different option to access these common buttons. One last cool option is when programming the remote, you can enter your zip code, select your cable / TV provider, and a list of all available channels is provided. From this list, one can select up to fifty favorite channels, with already attached logos, to add to your remote. These channels can instantly be accessed from the soft keys by selecting the star button on the top, left hand side of the touch screen.
The remote comes with a very nice charger/docking station. When charging the remote sits vertically in the station and is securely seated. I am coming from a Harmony 880 with the horizontal charging base that eventually fails. The new docking station is a very welcomed change.
Please let me know if there are any other questions I can answer.

Thanks, Snowbum. Are you keeping it?

I'm interested to see if this is the only model they're releasing or if come next week, they have a totally new line.
post #44 of 364
Interesting this came out with virtually no knowledge before hand. It doesn't look terrible however seems like it is missing the mark in many spots with people looking to upgrade from the One/900 or past Logitech users I see no reason to come back to this.

I love the idea of a larger more sophisticated touch screen, I have been saying for years this was a must along with being able to swipe left and right to different screens like a phone/tablet. Add in being completely customizable that is a step in the right direction. I do not however understand the lack of a skip forward/back physical button...I mean it's great you can add those to the touch section however in that case why even put any buttons at the top of the device?? They could have simply made the touch screen an inch longer and allowed the user to place whatever buttons they wanted. That to me would have been a much better design with the bottom remaining the same with the physical buttons.
post #45 of 364
http://technabob.com/blog/2012/10/02/logitech-harmony-touch-revamps-the-universal-remote/

Weird, the above URL was working but has just been pulled. Was a mini-review of the new Harmony Touch. Mentioned that it has a capacitive touch screen.
Edited by growers - 10/2/12 at 2:01pm
post #46 of 364
That link is gone now.
post #47 of 364
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Originally Posted by snapper View Post

Yes, I'd say the pencil icon is probably tied to the "On-remote customization" noted in the feature list. Presumably, so you don't need to plug it into the computer for every little tweak.
As a former Harmony user, I have to say that this does nothing to change my mind about these remotes - the bang for the buck is just not there. Try a Philips Prestigo for half the price.

Hmm, does that Philips have rubber buttons? I may have to give it a go.

I pretty much hate all Harmony remotes.. .and I used a lot of them. However, they are the best of the worst in their price range.

Wish I could get a Home Theater Master.
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post #50 of 364
My bad - already a thread on this.... started in March
Looks to be available outside the U.S.?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1398964/logitech-harmony-800-qwerty
Edited by Garnoch - 10/2/12 at 4:27pm
post #51 of 364
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Thanks, Snowbum. Are you keeping it?
I'm interested to see if this is the only model they're releasing or if come next week, they have a totally new line.

I do not understand why this remote is getting such bad reviews and feedback. I truly like it. The touchscreen is amazingly responsive and the menus are very customizable. One cool thing is you can add buttons for multiple devices under a single activity. For example, if you have created a Watch TV activity and you control your TV viewing experience via a cable box, the buttons on the screen are related to the cable box. However, you can add buttons for any of your devices to this screen.

Also, I really like the simplified layout of the remote. I am coming from a Harmony 880 and trying to find the right hard button amongst 40 other hard buttons was a bit of a pain at times. It is great having the capability to scroll through those buttons on the crisp, responsive display. Of course the order of these buttons can be modified directly on the remote itself using the pencil icon mentioned by previous posters.

Lastly, it has been released at a great price point. Why would one spend $250 on a legacy, Harmony remote when you could get a new unit with new features for the same price. I researched remotes from other manufacturers in this price point and again, the choice was an easy one.
post #52 of 364
Being able to add buttons for multiple devices under a single activity already existed with the H1 and 900, so that is not new.

Many people use their remotes by feel rather than looking at the remote to perform a function. One example of this is the "skip forward" and "fast forward" functions. The new remote has a hard button for only one of these and the other is a soft key. It would seem that you have to look at the remote to press the soft button, but practical use may suggest that this is not the case.

Having the transport keys at the top of the remote does not seem to be the optimal place for them. It is an easy one handed process to operate these buttons? They also seem too small.

The most critical question is; does the software support sequences? If it does then Logitech have learned from their previous mistakes.

Also does it use the existing software/web interface for programming the remote?
post #53 of 364
The Touch now shows on the Logitech site
post #54 of 364
Icons for the new Harmony Touch remote will be posted w/in the next week on iconharmony!
post #55 of 364
Does this have RF or Wifi to IR? for $250 it better have this feature, otherwise its useless in my setup.
post #56 of 364
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

The most critical question is; does the software support sequences? If it does then Logitech have learned from their previous mistakes.

I may be all wet on this, but doesn't the H1 support sequences?
post #57 of 364
Squareeyes, what are the dimensions of the Touch icons?

I see on logitech's site they say that you can transfer the config from your One to your Touch. So if anyone does this, please report back if your sequences survive the transfer since the One does sequences and the Touch apparently does not (according to one post above).
post #58 of 364
i'm still experimenting with the correct size and should have that down w/in the week. They will be fairly tiny though.
post #59 of 364
Thanks squareeyes.
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Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post

I may be all wet on this, but doesn't the H1 support sequences?
Yes. But so far no new remote that uses myharmony.com for the config, including the OnePlus, has been able to do sequences. My hope is that they've added that capability since they claim to be able to copy your One config. My fear is that they're dropped upon import and that logitech has given up on sequences entirely. We'll find out soon enough. Can any other current Touch owners confirm or deny? If you are unfamilar with how they work, it should be an option at the bottom of the customize buttons page in an activity. Hopefully you'll see a button that says "Add sequence" or something like that. If it does have sequences, please tell us the max number of steps. On older models like the One, the max is 5.

What really blows my mind is that sequences are fundamentally identical to favorite channel macros, yet logitech refuses to add back such a simple function. It makes no sense.
post #60 of 364
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Thanks squareeyes.
Yes. But so far no new remote that uses myharmony.com for the config, including the OnePlus, has been able to do sequences. My hope is that they've added that capability since they claim to be able to copy your One config. My fear is that they're dropped upon import and that logitech has given up on sequences entirely. We'll find out soon enough. Can any other current Touch owners confirm or deny? If you are unfamilar with how they work, it should be an option at the bottom of the customize buttons page in an activity. Hopefully you'll see a button that says "Add sequence" or something like that. If it does have sequences, please tell us the max number of steps. On older models like the One, the max is 5.
What really blows my mind is that sequences are fundamentally identical to favorite channel macros, yet logitech refuses to add back such a simple function. It makes no sense.

Ah yes . . . myharmony.com mad.gifrolleyes.gif
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