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post #31 of 132
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post

G Doran is an anagram for Dragon.

Gavin Doran = Vain Dragon

and since I have the calculator out:

Olivia Doran = Ovarian Idol
Alexis Blume (naughty neighbor) = Bisexual Elm

Looks like this show could go down some strange paths.
post #32 of 132
So why the "Devil" or "Dragon" doesn't kill the people himself?

Maybe he makes people commit a capital sin so they would be Hell-worthy?
post #33 of 132
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

So why the "Devil" or "Dragon" doesn't kill the people himself?
Maybe he makes people commit a capital sin so they would be Hell-worthy?

Well sure, he could kill 'em himself but where's the fun in that for a malevolent demon? I've seen enough movies to know how The Prince of Darkness likes to operate. He's got to make a deal for your soul that your weaknesses will compel you to accept. It's Satanology 101.
post #34 of 132
Even without the anagrams it looks like it will go down some strange paths. biggrin.gif

So... Any guesses as to what's behind the sealed up door? I think it's a large frozen donkey-wheel thingy... oh wait, nevermind.
post #35 of 132
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

My one question would be, if you don't want anything, does the place have any hold over you? Are you safe from any sort of bargain?

This may be touching on an important point, because it could be correct. It would explain why Gavin told Olivia that they could use Jane to get to Henry: Jane seems to be more ambitious and less content than Henry, since he seems happy as long as he has her. As such, they're going to put Jane in jeopardy as a way to gain leverage over Henry. The question is whether they are concerned with gaining his cooperation because he has some currently unknown significance or whether they just don't want to settle for one soul when they can take two.
post #36 of 132
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post


Gavin Doran = Vain Dragon
and since I have the calculator out:
Olivia Doran = Ovarian Idol
Alexis Blume (naughty neighbor) = Bisexual Elm
Looks like this show could go down some strange paths.


cpanther = "ranch pet", or my fav 'crap then'...just sayin'  biggrin.gif

post #37 of 132
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

This may be touching on an important point, because it could be correct. It would explain why Gavin told Olivia that they could use Jane to get to Henry: Jane seems to be more ambitious and less content than Henry, since he seems happy as long as he has her. As such, they're going to put Jane in jeopardy as a way to gain leverage over Henry. The question is whether they are concerned with gaining his cooperation because he has some currently unknown significance or whether they just don't want to settle for one soul when they can take two.

The way I saw it was Gavin and Olivia want both of them. Jane will be easy because her architectural ambitions will allow herself to be trapped in Gavin's web. But Henry will be more difficult because there's no apparent weakness that Gavin can exploit. So they'll use Jane, somehow, to get to him.
post #38 of 132
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

The way I saw it was Gavin and Olivia want both of them. Jane will be easy because her architectural ambitions will allow herself to be trapped in Gavin's web. But Henry will be more difficult because there's no apparent weakness that Gavin can exploit. So they'll use Jane, somehow, to get to him.
I think the opposite.

It sounds like they're setting Henry up to blackmail him with shady real estate doings. They'll use that to get him in return for freeing his wife from the place.
post #39 of 132
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I think the opposite.
It sounds like they're setting Henry up to blackmail him with shady real estate doings. They'll use that to get him in return for freeing his wife from the place.

Yeah, I can see it going that way too. Otherwise, why introduce that plotline? Just so show that if you mess with Gavin you're toast? Has to be something more and that theory looks good. But don't they still want Jane too? I know I would. wink.gif
post #40 of 132
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Yeah, I can see it going that way too. Otherwise, why introduce that plotline? Just so show that if you mess with Gavin you're toast? Has to be something more and that theory looks good. But don't they still want Jane too? I know I would. wink.gif
I'll bet she's useful to restore the building to it's original "power".

Perhaps later her soul will become an important addition to achieving that, but I'm guessing having someone in the city government structure he can have a hold over is more important long term. The "convincer" for Henry will likely be exchanging his virtue for her soul.
post #41 of 132
After watching the 2nd episode I have a harder problem how people connected to the building/owner end up disappearing/dead gets overlooked by the police. 2 episdoes, 4 dead, one injured. Eventually they are going to have to explain why the female manager, who is getting frightened by the building, does not try to leave it.
post #42 of 132
Thread Starter 
One reason she stays is she needs to eat. wink.gif
post #43 of 132
Watched the first episode tonite.
It's OK, but too predictable.
The Pilot telegraphed where the show will be going.

Deleted the 2nd show from my DVR....
post #44 of 132
Too much Soap, not enough Opera? It needs more edge if they are going after the "American Horror Story" crowd. Somehow I think they're not.
post #45 of 132
Needs less censorship and we are in.. LOL
post #46 of 132
For now I'm staying with it, mainly because it's fun to see John Locke, ooops I mean Terry O'Quinn, back in action with his all-knowing, somewhat evil expressions. However, someone should have told the writers that a bird attack was not an original idea. biggrin.gif
post #47 of 132
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Too much Soap, not enough Opera? It needs more edge if they are going after the "American Horror Story" crowd. Somehow I think they're not.
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Needs less censorship and we are in.. LOL
It needs more "edginess" IMO.
And that isn't something the 4 major networks can easily do.
post #48 of 132
Honestly, I don't buy all the complaints that a broadcast network can't do a good horror show. Long before visual effects and the shock factor of gore and violence became the staples of horror movies, filmmakers demonstrated that what you don't see is often far more scary than what you do. The problem is that writing smart horror is difficult, whereas writing slasher movies is easy. This show doesn't need to do anything likely to anger the FCC to accomplish its goals, but it does need better writers. Sadly, I doubt the producers will find any before the show gets cancelled. I'll probably stick around until that happens, though.
post #49 of 132
One and out for me....
post #50 of 132
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

.... but it does need better writers.....
Probably another classic example of a refusal of the producers, showrunners, etc to use the people who actually write in the genre they have picked. If they don't use science fiction authors to write SciFi then why use horror scribes to pen horror?
post #51 of 132
Any theories on why the thief chick was wearing an enormous New Mexico button? It was so glaring that I can't believe it was just meaningless "dressing".
post #52 of 132
I have to wonder if she's even really there. I noticed that the only people who ever seem to see or talk to her are the ones she steals from and has visions about. Maybe she's a klepto Nain Rouge.

Also, I guess the second episode confirms that Gavin isn't just using Jane to get to Henry as a two-for-one deal, but rather because Henry has some larger role to play in Gavin's plans.
post #53 of 132
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

So why the "Devil" or "Dragon" doesn't kill the people himself?
Maybe he makes people commit a capital sin so they would be Hell-worthy?

Because he does not have that power.
post #54 of 132
Just need to look at Alfred Hitchcock. And no obscene language needed. I think the bleeps would take the viewer away from the story.
post #55 of 132
Halle Berry's mad character Rowena Price in "Perfect Stranger" lived at the hotel.
post #56 of 132
Thread Starter 
It's been a long time since I've seen The Shining but tonite w/ the blood pouring down the face of the door and the little girl certainly brought back memories.
post #57 of 132
I really like the concept and the characters, but it seems to me that what they are currently doing is not sustainable.
post #58 of 132
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

I really like the concept and the characters, but it seems to me that what they are currently doing is not sustainable.

Sadly, I think you're right.

Paranormal stories in a single location work well for a movie or mini-series, but eventually, you run out of room to grow. Paranormal series need to be "road" stories where you have encounters in new locations to keep it interesting. Plus, you need a new bad guy now and then to mix it up.

That's the issue that shows like Supernatural have had from time to time: getting stuck on one bad guy (the Yellow-Eyed Demon, The Devil, Leviathans, etc.). It's one thing to have an overall arc, but a far different thing when the arc is the only story.

In a one-setting story (in this case, the apartment building), it becomes impossible to provide good scares without the viewer wondering a) why more people haven't seen the creepy stuff and b) why there aren't more urban legends about that stuff publicly. In this day and age, a haunted apartment building run by the devil (or whatever O-Quinn's character is), would have a lot of internet buzz.
post #59 of 132
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Originally Posted by igreg View Post

Because he does not have that power.

Well, he killed that guy now.. so I guess he can...

More almost nudity action, at least they are going a bit more realistic and people having sex without clothes on..
post #60 of 132
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Well, he killed that guy now.. so I guess he can...

And the guy apparently went straight to hell at the bottom of the shaft in a flash of light. Makes clean-up easy! Personally, in that building, I'd be taking the stairs.

I was thinking Olivia was a paranormal evildoer just like Gavin - they seemed to be in cahoots - but now it appears she's "human" and still mourning the loss of her daughter (which I'm convinced is the klepto-girl). Pausing on the suicide note the late daughter left behind, it said she was leaving because "Dad was evil" or some such. Gee, took her 'till she was 16 to catch on to that? eek.gif
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