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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

I had no phase errors.


Hi, what kind of amp do you have it connected to, and did you use XLR's?
Edited by comfynumb - 1/10/13 at 4:48pm
post #1742 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

What are your thoughts about Audyssey coming up with an out of phase error message for his setup?

Dunno...sounds like he's using two different amps and didn't mention what was running the fronts.

It could be that one of the amps has pin 2 cold, or that one of them inverts polarity of the signal passing though it, or that maybe he has different cables for these two different amps and the cables are pinned through differently. One could investigate all those things to find out for sure, or else simply reverse the (+) and (-) of the speaker connections at the amp running the front left and right speakers.

In none of these cases is the "european connection" the problem because that's been the standard for a long time. It's the USA method that is and has been obsolete for a long time. The person at Marantz doesn't have a clue.

I have 7005 that has the same caveat and I have no phase errors using QSC pro audio amps for power. They are all pin 2 hot which has been the standard around the world for a long time. There may be some vintage gear still around with pin 3 hot but, again, that connection scheme is obsolete.
Edited by whoaru99 - 1/10/13 at 5:01pm
post #1743 of 11293
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Dunno...

I have 7005 that has the same caveat and I have no phase errors using QSC pro audio amps for power. They are all pin 2 hot which has been the standard around the world for a long time. There may be some vintage gear still around with pin 3 hot but that connection scheme is obsolete.


The same as my Sunfire amp. Marantz really needs to stop confusing people, this had me concerned for over a week. Then when I hooked everything up all was well.
post #1744 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi, what kind of amp do you have it connected to, and did you use XLR's?
A pr. of W4S SX-1000 Monoblocks, and a W4S SX-500 Monoblock for the front 3 via XLR. One Emotiva UPA-500 via RCA for the 4 rears.
post #1745 of 11293
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

A pr. of W4S SX-1000 Monoblocks, and a W4S SX-500 Monoblock for the front 3 via XLR. One Emotiva UPA-500 via RCA for the 4 rears.


That sounds like a nice setup. Again I wish Marantz would stop confusing people.
post #1746 of 11293
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Originally Posted by planetbrian777 View Post

I was think of using it to extend the lower end of the bookshelpf speakers, but maybe I should try the sub 2 output of the 8801. I thought a second identical sub or one very close in size needed to be used for sub 2 output. My additional sub is a lot smaller compared to my SVS sub.

What do you think is the best way, extend the bookshelfs or sub 2 output?

I dunno which would be the best way for you. I currently have my "spare" sub connected to extend the lower end of my side surrounds, but I have the 7005 so I don't have the benefit of independent correction for the two sub outputs.

Have to give you the old "try it both ways and see what you prefer" answer.
post #1747 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

What are your thoughts about Audyssey coming up with an out of phase error message for his setup?

Audyssey will sometimes report out of phase when either there isn't a phase problem of if one of the drivers are wired out of phase.

It will make you crazy trying to track it down and sometimes you just have to say that it's Audyssey being squirrely.
post #1748 of 11293
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Use HDMI if you can.

HDMI can transport high-bitrate lossless multichannel bitstreamed, SACD DSD and PCM audio. Optical and digital coax can transport only lossy multichannel bitstreamed and lossless stereo PCM audio -- not lossless multichannel nor DSD. Optical provides some ground and noise isolation which coax can't, but the two transport the same digital signals.
It depends... Set it to bitstreamed if you use S/PDIF (optical or coax) for multichannel audio; either bitstreamed or PCM if you use HDMI. (DVDs don't have multichannel lossless audio tracks -- that's a consideration only for Blu-ray players.) The decoding should produce the same audible results, whether it's done in the player or the pre/pro.
It should be able to expand any audio source which has fewer channels than the number of speakers you have so it uses all speakers, similar to DPL-IIx.
Audyssey room equalization can't be applied to the 8801's multichannel analog intputs. The sonic improvement provided by Audyssey should be quite noticeable, which is a reason for using a digital connection (either HDMI or S/PDIF) instead of multichannel analog. Of course, that'll use your side-surround channels. Neo-X or DPL-IIx will expand 5.0 or 5.1 soundtracks to use both sets of surround speakers -- both side and back. If you don't like that, you might consider getting an external speaker switch. Or connect both HDMI and multichannel analog and switch the receiver between the two inputs depending on which sounds better to you.
My understanding is that most of the current model D&M equipment run hot because of their video circuitry.
If the same control code doesn't work for the 8801, you might consider connecting the analog stereo connections to a different logical input -- CD, for example.
Always set all of the speakers to Small so that bass management is enabled, and raise the speakers' crossover frequency to 80Hz if it's lower. (Don't lower it if it's higher than 80Hz.) Neither change will disturb the calibration.

Audyssey provides the frequency at which the speakers' response is down by 3dB. Code provided by the equipment manufacturer decides if that's low enough to call a speaker Large. For details, please consult the Audyssey FAQ at http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1
A setting of -12 means that Audyssey turned down the 8801's gain as far as it could, but the subwoofer was still too loud. You should keep turning down the sub volume and recalibrating until you get a reading close to 0. Audyssey provides a large enough signal so that you'll hear the bass intended by the person who mixed the audio tracks. If you still find it too low for your preference after a week or so, turn up the subwoofer's gain in the 8801, not on the subwoofer.
Use the processing which provides the best picture wink.gif The 8801's video processing is not supposed to degrade the video coming from the player, so leaving it enabled should be fine. Using a separate video cable connection from a player to the display device (if that's what you're doing) usually is needed only because the receiver or pre/pro can't handle high bitrate 3D or 4K signals. The 8801 can handle both.

Thanks a bunch Selden Ball, that certainly clarifies a lot of things.
post #1749 of 11293
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Audyssey will sometimes report out of phase when either there isn't a phase problem of if one of the drivers are wired out of phase.

It will make you crazy trying to track it down and sometimes you just have to say that it's Audyssey being squirrely.

That good to know, thanks JimP. I'm new to Audyssey, so before I run it I'm doing a lot of reading. I have great sound from the 8801 now, so if it gets even better I'll be thrilled.
post #1750 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

What are your thoughts about Audyssey coming up with an out of phase error message for his setup?

As noted on p. 40 in the Owner's manual .... visually inspect wired correctly, and if yes, just SKIP to next speaker.

post #1751 of 11293
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As noted on p. 40 in the Owner's manual .... visually inspect wired correctly, and if yes, just SKIP to next speaker.



Very cool thanks jdsmoothie, Audyssey was intimidating me before I even ran it. You guys are making me much more comfortable. I'll be running it this weekend and can't wait to see how it works.
Thanks again!
post #1752 of 11293
It could be it's just acting squirrely, but in the case of someone using two different amps there certainly could be the case where one inverts polarity regardless of the pin 2 hot or cold thing. Some amps do that and not everyone tells you their amp does because in most cases it doesn't really matter, absolute polarity that is, until you get to something like this that can detect it.

Again though, that's not a fault of pin 2 hot or cold thing. Amps inverting polarity is a completely separate matter.
post #1753 of 11293
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

It could be it's just acting squirrely, but in the case of someone using two different amps there certainly could be the case where one inverts polarity regardless of the pin 2 hot or cold thing. Some amps do that and not everyone tells you their amp does because in most cases it doesn't really matter, absolute polarity that is, until you get to something like this that can detect it.

Again though, that's not a fault of pin 2 hot or cold thing. Amps inverting polarity is a completely separate matter.


Something I never knew. So if your amp is inverting the polarity pin 2 being hot or cold doesn't mean anything. Marantz wasted two weeks of my life with their polarity statement.
Thanks whoaru99.
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Is anyone using a PS3 for their blueray player along with their 8801? How do you have the 8801/PS3 configured for the best possible sound of the latest codecs?
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I kind of have the same question as the post above, im using a older ps3 for a blu ray player with the 8801 and whether set to bitstream or pcm i can not get the 8801 to display true hd or master audio at all, does this have to do with the ps3? i coming from an Anthemd2 and still having a hard time making the change to the Marantz. I know the Marantz has more features so i will keep listening, Any help would be appreciated.
post #1756 of 11293
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

I kind of have the same question as the post above, im using a older ps3 for a blu ray player with the 8801 and whether set to bitstream or pcm i can not get the 8801 to display true hd or master audio at all, does this have to do with the ps3? i coming from an Anthemd2 and still having a hard time making the change to the Marantz. I know the Marantz has more features so i will keep listening, Any help would be appreciated.

Do you have the latest firmware on the ps3? Although, I don't believe the PS3 can bitstream the latest the hd codecs. I can test on my Classe to confirm it though but I don't believe this is a Marantz issue.
post #1757 of 11293
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

I kind of have the same question as the post above, im using a older ps3 for a blu ray player with the 8801 and whether set to bitstream or pcm i can not get the 8801 to display true hd or master audio at all, does this have to do with the ps3? i coming from an Anthemd2 and still having a hard time making the change to the Marantz. I know the Marantz has more features so i will keep listening, Any help would be appreciated.

Pretty sure the older PS3s can't bitstream so you won't see it displayed on the processor...although PCM will get you the same sound (arguably ). The PS3 slim definitely can, but the older ones couldn't...
post #1758 of 11293
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Do you have the latest firmware on the ps3? Although, I don't believe the PS3 can bitstream the latest the hd codecs. I can test on my Classe to confirm it though but I don't believe this is a Marantz issue.

Yes i have the latest software on the ps3, I'm going out to get another blu ray player today,maybe the sony790 and check later. i would appreciate any feedback, thank you.
post #1759 of 11293
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Pretty sure the older PS3s can't bitstream so you won't see it displayed on the processor...although PCM will get you the same sound (arguably ). The PS3 slim definitely can, but the older ones couldn't...

Does it matter in sound quality which unit does the decoding the 8801 or the ps3?
post #1760 of 11293
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

Does it matter in sound quality which unit does the decoding the 8801 or the ps3?

No.

That being said I like to bitstream mainly so I know what's going on. And when redbox has screwed me with a non hd audio track.
post #1761 of 11293
Did anyone go from an anthem d2v to this marantz av8801????????

I would really like to hear your thoughts on comparing them.

thank you

Bill
post #1762 of 11293
Is there a rack mount kit for the 8801 and 8077 at a reasonable price? I'm really enjoying this new pair with Triton 2s and Supersats along with a HSU VTH-15 and Sony VPL-HW50ES! Makes for a great HT experience!!!

Thanks.
post #1763 of 11293
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Originally Posted by jdlynch View Post

Is anyone using a PS3 for their blueray player along with their 8801? How do you have the 8801/PS3 configured for the best possible sound of the latest codecs?

Fat PS3 - LPCM only
Slim PS3 - bitstream or LPCM (doesn't matter)

With either model when playing 3D video, only DTS HD audio can be processed/passed.
post #1764 of 11293
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Do you have the latest firmware on the ps3? Although, I don't believe the PS3 can bitstream the latest the hd codecs. I can test on my Classe to confirm it though but I don't believe this is a Marantz issue.

Hell, How can you do that in your signature! I have stuff I want to sell and would love to do the same kind of banner
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Hell, How can you do that in your signature! I have stuff I want to sell and would love to do the same kind of banner

Scroll to the bottom of your profile page. There is an option to edit your sig.
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Hell, How can you do that in your signature! I have stuff I want to sell and would love to do the same kind of banner

I think you have advertise in the classified section here and possibly have a paying membership too!
post #1767 of 11293
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Go with putting the two in rear close to each other and then treat them as if they are one sub. Plug those into one sub out. The front into another. Audyssey EQ (subEQ) to your hearts content. Attempt first to set the rears at an equal sound level. That way you will get the most even sound from your rear wall-o-subs. IMO, this is ideal, however you could seperate the two rears as you see fit; just recognize Audyssey will see these tow subs as one and your results in EQing may be a bit more strange.

I am actually going to do this same process with an old M&K 15 inch dual sub in the rear corner and what will be two stacked B&W ASW2500's this weekend. If you want I can pm you with my observation, good, bad, or ugly. I have am older M&K to play with and more bass is to me anyway, mo better.

I'd appreciate any advise you have with this. I have the 8003 currently but that older technology is wearing a bit thin, plus with the new Marantz it won't require major surgery to get it up and running...........
post #1768 of 11293
I have seen a ot of guys on here saying " it's here" but still waiting for the reviews

Time to report back! Lol
post #1769 of 11293
Has anyone tried the sirius connect tuner with the 8801 yet? Just wondering if it sounds as good as the separate tuner I've been using on my other pre/pro. I would think it should sound better.
post #1770 of 11293
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

I have seen a ot of guys on here saying " it's here" but still waiting for the reviews

Time to report back! Lol

Some of us have posted, but I think we're all enjoying actually using it!
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