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post #2011 of 11305
Thrang does the Roomie IP power on command only turn on zone 1?
post #2012 of 11305
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Thrang does the Roomie IP power on command only turn on zone 1?

I have to go back and check, as I have three different Marantz remotes in my setup to get all the functionality required (The IP, the IR, and a custom IR I built) I believe the IP power is the one that turns the main zone only on, and the IR is the one that turns them all on, but I could have that backwards and need to check tonight...

I also have my replacement 8801 in, so I need to install that...
post #2013 of 11305
I must have missed that you were getting a replacement. What was wrong? How was the process?
post #2014 of 11305
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Why would the Audyssey everthing but mains be used?

Look at it this way! having an option to play your (large capable of decent lows) mains for 2/ch stereo playback with the addition of only sub corrected bass (some Audiophiles don't want Audyssey to touch there mains as they may be set to there liking but may want to add a sub with some RC ) Some use stand alone units like the Antimode for there subs only. When this option is set in the 8801 it also gives you the abilty to use the crossover with the mains set to large down to 40hz, I personally don't use it for movies but when I on occasion want to add my sub to stereo playback I set it to 60hz and use the lfe+main in the 8801 and it blends (key word) very nicely, not bloaty or the so called double bass effect , just extended well defined corrected bass;)
post #2015 of 11305
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

I must have missed that you were getting a replacement. What was wrong? How was the process?

Two main issues was loss of OSD after while (seemed to be related to repeated resolution switching from source, like a DirecTV in native mode), and, more importantly, wides and heights will not output audio in Neo:x surround mode from TrueHD or DTS-MA HD sources. Other lossy modes, and PCM were ok, and DSX worked for all, but not Neo:X

They overnighted one to my dealer, it arrived today, so excellent response in that regard.
post #2016 of 11305
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Somehow I have about 54 active IP nodes in my house...I must have a small Russian hacker community hiding in my attic...

According to Advanced IP Scanner, I have 30 currently Acitve.

(To Vlad: Hello, are you enjoying all that thrang has to offer smile.gif )

- Rich
post #2017 of 11305
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

According to Advanced IP Scanner, I have 30 currently Acitve.

(To Vlad: Hello, are you enjoying all that thrang has to offer smile.gif )

- Rich



"Hello comrade RichB - ironic we hear from you as we recently stole your identity and are enjoying nice new John Deere tractor, missile launch codes, and white athletic socks thanks to your generous financial backing..."
Edited by thrang - 1/21/13 at 12:18pm
post #2018 of 11305
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post



"Hello comrade RichB - ironic we hear from you as we recently stole your identity and are enjoying nice new John Deere tractor, missile launch codes, and white athletic socks thanks to your generous financial backing..."

Damn you Vlad!

Have you also intercepted my AV8801?
There has neen no tracking update for days...

So much for the friggin reset button.

- Rich
post #2019 of 11305
I just received my replacement 8801, and it has the same issue - no wides our height output in Neo:x surround mode with dts-ma or truehd audio.

If anyone is running wides and or heights, if you can test these lossless formats with neo:x, I'd appreciate hearing your experiences. If it matters, I'm connected via xlr - I will try RCA outs to see if that matters...seriously doubt it...
post #2020 of 11305
Thrang, this may be a firmware issue. There's bound to be several such issues for a while until they get most of them ironed out over the next few months.
post #2021 of 11305
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

Thrang, this may be a firmware issue. There's bound to be several such issues for a while until they get most of them ironed out over the next few months.

Yes, well it's a pretty big one, and I'm hoping fellow AVS'ers who are running wides and heights can test - right now, Marantz is saying they've gotten no reports besides mine, though with two units exhibiting the same behavior, it's fairly clear there's a systemic issue...
post #2022 of 11305
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Yes, well it's a pretty big one, and I'm hoping fellow AVS'ers who are running wides and heights can test - right now, Marantz is saying they've gotten no reports besides mine, though with two units exhibiting the same behavior, it's fairly clear there's a systemic issue...

Perhaps, Marantz should send you one that they *know* works and take yours back to study why it does not.

It is not as if, this functionality is difficult for them to test.

- Rich
post #2023 of 11305
Thrang,

My wides, sides, and rears are legacy Paradigm Actives set to Auto On/Off, and the speakers have a light indicator when they are on. If no signal, these will shut off and light goes off. They have stayed on with my OPPO 83SE with DTS-MA HD, OPPO set to Auto for HDMI output and NEOX Cinema engaged on 8801. I currently have RCA to them, but will soon change to XLR. I have only been using the Movie setting, not Music, or Game. There's no chance you are engaging Pure for Direct mode is there?

Good luck,
Will
post #2024 of 11305
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Perhaps, Marantz should send you one that they *know* works and take yours back to study why it does not.

It is not as if, this functionality is difficult for them to test.

- Rich

I agree, but my understanding is it is so popular, there may not be test units available to their local tech people yet.

Two units in a row are exhibiting this, so ball in their court...
post #2025 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Will Gibbons View Post

Thrang,

My wides, sides, and rears are legacy Paradigm Actives set to Auto On/Off, and the speakers have a light indicator when they are on. If no signal, these will shut off and light goes off. They have stayed on with my OPPO 83SE with DTS-MA HD, OPPO set to Auto for HDMI output and NEOX Cinema engaged on 8801. I currently have RCA to them, but will soon change to XLR. I have only been using the Movie setting, not Music, or Game. There's no chance you are engaging Pure for Direct mode is there?

Good luck,
Will

No Pure Direct, the whole issue is with Neo:x. Can you confirm you are sending DTS-MA/TrueHD or is the Oppo sending LPCM? LPCM works properly if I send that from my Oppo 103 - but not the native formats.

The only difference is you're using RCA and I'm using XLR, so perhaps I should test this...
post #2026 of 11305
Thrang,

I don't have any discs right now--using Netflix, but should have another later in the week. I can set my OPPO to bitstream instead of Auto to insure no LPCM when I get another disc.

Have you tried the different settings of Movie, Music, and Game for this as well?


Will
post #2027 of 11305
I tested RCA, and no change - no output, nor do the speaker indicator lights on the 8801 activate for heights and wides with native truehd or dts-ma hd.

If I force lpcm from the oppo, all works as expected.
post #2028 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Will Gibbons View Post

Thrang,

I don't have any discs right now--using Netflix, but should have another later in the week. I can set my OPPO to bitstream instead of Auto to insure no LPCM when I get another disc.

Have you tried the different settings of Movie, Music, and Game for this as well?


Will

Is Netflix providing truehd or dts-ma audio?

Neo:x works as expected the Dolby digital or standard dts

And yes, the movie, music, and game neo:x modes all exhibit the same behavior
post #2029 of 11305
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I tested RCA, and no change - no output, nor do the speaker indicator lights on the 8801 activate for heights and wides with native truehd or dts-ma hd.

If I force lpcm from the oppo, all works as expected.

If it works with LPCM, This has to be a software problem.

- Rich
post #2030 of 11305
Yes to dts-ma, but have not done truehd. Until receiving the 8801, I had not been using HDMI for audio. I had the 83SE output analog and fed through Outlaw ICBM for bass management into analog multichannel input on Integra Research 7.1. My 8801 is recent, so have only done dts-ma.

Will
post #2031 of 11305
Thrang..what does the dispaly say on the front of the marantz when u engage Neo and how many soeakers does it show. What happens when you put a disc like Expendables 2 that is Neo x encoded? Do you have it to try?

What about test tones from the u it.....I assume the tones all make it thru.
post #2032 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Rosano View Post

Thrang..what does the dispaly say on the front of the marantz when u engage Neo and how many soeakers does it show. What happens when you put a disc like Expendables 2 that is Neo x encoded? Do you have it to try?

What about test tones from the u it.....I assume the tones all make it thru.

So the gremlins have vanished, at least for now, and I don't know why. Very befuddling

With the original unit, and for about three hours of the new unit, this is what I saw (and confirmed, no audio from the heights and wides) Difficult to see, the note the height and wide icons are not illuminated.




Now, the heights and wides are working - icons are now illuminated, and there is sound.



What is different?

1) Did not run Audyssey yet on the new unit, but that condition didn't matter for the first three hours of testing with the new unit when things werent working, so don't think that's related

2) I also tried a single RCA to one of my wides, which didn't work (not that it should matter, but I went through the 8801 guided setup for amp connection and selected RCA for the wides)

3) I then cycled through a variety of surround modes, and settled back on Neo:X, and it began to work. I powered down, unplugged, tried different sources, and it continues to work at least for this evening.

However, there is a Center Gain parameter that is supposed to be active in the Surround Parameters menu when Neo:X is active, and this I still don't see...



Extremely bizarre....
post #2033 of 11305
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

However, there is a Center Gain parameter that is supposed to be active in the Surround Parameters menu when Neo:X is active, and this I still don't see...
The Neo:X center gain control is operative when Neo:X is in charge of L/C/R speakers, as when decoding 2-ch sources. It used to be called Center Image, and was a tweak for the Neo:X Music mode. I would not think it should work in the Cinema mode, nor in any mode starting from 5.1 discrete. But who knows, times change.
post #2034 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

The Neo:X center gain control is operative when Neo:X is in charge of L/C/R speakers, as when decoding 2-ch sources. It used to be called Center Image, and was a tweak for the Neo:X Music mode. I would not think it should work in the Cinema mode, nor in any mode starting from 5.1 discrete. But who knows, times change.

Thanks roger, I'll check it tomorrow - for now, I will stare at my 8801 for another half an hour wondering what happened...
post #2035 of 11305
Thang,

Note that Audyssey may have something to do with loosing your wides/ heights.

After running Audyssey...see if switching Audyssey off/on has any affect.
post #2036 of 11305
Hello All

I currently own a 8003 and always have peak indicator flash while running analogue to the preamp. If I keep it as pure direct, this problem disappears or if I input digital signal.

Do we have this same issue with 8801 as well?

Sincerely
post #2037 of 11305
Mackie HRS150's are sensor on only!
post #2038 of 11305
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Thang,

Note that Audyssey may have something to do with loosing your wides/ heights.

After running Audyssey...see if switching Audyssey off/on has any affect.

Anything's possible, but as I noted, the first three hours or so of testing with the replacement (no audyssey), the behavior was incorrect. So as I awake, I am still perplexed as to why it started. I mean, there's no way to prevent the heights in wides for working in neo:x even if you tried...

I use audyssey pro, so I am awaiting audyssey to reset my MAC address for the license before I can do anything with the new unit anyway...
post #2039 of 11305
thang

These things will drive you nuts.

I was just noticing on the photos you posted that DTS Audyssey was lit up on the first two that didn't have the extra speakers lit up and on the third photo, it just show DTS and your extra speakers are lit up.

Also...in the first two, you're using "Media Center" as your input. That shouldn't make any difference but maybe there's a setup item that input specific that matters.

I'm sure you've already checked all this but the guy gene that wants to fix everything is active this morning. smile.gif
post #2040 of 11305
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

thang

These things will drive you nuts.

I was just noticing on the photos you posted that DTS Audyssey was lit up on the first two that didn't have the extra speakers lit up and on the third photo, it just show DTS and your extra speakers are lit up.

Also...in the first two, you're using "Media Center" as your input. That shouldn't make any difference but maybe there's a setup item that input specific that matters.

I'm sure you've already checked all this but the guy gene that wants to fix everything is active this morning. smile.gif

Yes, Audyssey (Pro) was enabled in the first unit when the pictures were taken - Audyssey is not enabled yet in the new unit.

While I didn't take pictures of every input, the issue persisted on all inputs were passing lossless formats - my Blu Ray player (actually, tried three different players), Windows Media Center, and a Mede8er 1000 media player - with both the old and current (until the new one decided to start working yesterday) In fact, I was about to take a photo again of the new unit not working properly last night when, well, it started to work.

Will test again tonight, and hopefully will get my Audyssey Pro license linked to the new MAC address so I can complete my setup...

The only physical difference between the old the new was trying an RCA output (for wide right) on the replacement and making the changes in the 8801 guided setup to use RCA for wides - did not work at that moment, but shortly thereafter, and after reconnecting the XLR, it did, without going back into the guided connector setup. I then went back to the guided setup, reset to XLR for wides, and everything continued to work.
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