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post #2131 of 11317
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Originally Posted by denaliman View Post

I just ordered the AV8801. I want to put it in my HT rack. Does anyone have the Marantz rack kit installed? any pictures installed in rack? Not sure if I should go with the Marantz kit or have Middle Atlantic make me a custom RSH faceplate.

I am going to see if the 8003 kit would fit this. If yes, I may not change.
post #2132 of 11317
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Originally Posted by rramacha View Post

I am going to see if the 8003 kit would fit this. If yes, I may not change.

Do you have the 8003 already with rack kit? Any pics installed?
post #2133 of 11317
I dont have pictures and unfortunately sold my 8003 as well. I am getting 8801 tomorrow and will have it installed before saturday night.

I can take pictures of that and send
post #2134 of 11317
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Originally Posted by rramacha View Post

I dont have pictures and unfortunately sold my 8003 as well. I am getting 8801 tomorrow and will have it installed before saturday night.

I can take pictures of that and send

Thanks that would be appreciated.
post #2135 of 11317
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I hope there are fixes for:

- NeoX issues (including the center image option noted in the manual)
- multi zones powering on incorrectly
- loss of OSD (generally after some repetitive resolution switching as far as I can tell)
- random save/load configuration failures

Id like to see improvements for
- virtual inputs (ability to assign physical inputs to more than one virtual input)
- temporary level gain controls (Integra style)
- options for surround mode defaults per input (preset, last valid, etc., Integra style)
- Dolby Volume

But still immensely satisfied with the sound quality of this component....

Thrang, you're never gonna believe it...well maybe you will, but my NEO X just magically started working today on DTS HD. I didn't change any connections, it just suddenly today activated my heights (I don't have wides). When I did this a few days ago the heights wouldn't come on, now they do. Same movie, same setup.

On a side note, I think I like NEO x better than DSX. I'll need to listen to it more, but it sounded slightly more articulate than DSX on Avengers.
post #2136 of 11317
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Originally Posted by denaliman View Post

I just ordered the AV8801. I want to put it in my HT rack. Does anyone have the Marantz rack kit installed? any pictures installed in rack? Not sure if I should go with the Marantz kit or have Middle Atlantic make me a custom RSH faceplate.
I would imagine it would look similiar to this rack-mount kit used on the D&M Pro DN-500AV AV pre-amplifier (a re-configured Denon/Marantz pre-pro):
http://usa.d-mpro.com/us/denon/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=ReceiversTuners&SubCatId=SurroundSoundPreamplifiers&ProductId=DN500AVAVSurroundPreamplifier

It's 4U in height



a different brand rack mount bracket shown here (Middle Atlantic?)
Edited by WestCoastD - 1/24/13 at 3:42pm
post #2137 of 11317
I use one from Middle Atlantic. I dont use Marantz Rack Ears.
post #2138 of 11317
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Originally Posted by marathonman View Post

I just got an 88 and have been debugging the connections. Thanks to all who have posted. The information everyone is providing is very useful.
I have a few questions/concerns/comments.

1. Concern: 10 seconds after the unit powers up from standby, I'll hear a tick/pop. It's loud enough to be annoying but just under the limit of what i'm willing to tolerate. All the external amps are ON at the time (and are not currently being driven by the DC triggers). Is this expected behavior?

2. Comment: I suspect this is not an 88 problem. I am hearing an appreciable amount of hum when I connect my cable DVR via HDMI (I've seen a few of the posts on this). Do I really have to use analog connections to avoid this? The box itself is plugged into the same circuit as the 88 but i see that the cable is grounded to a spike in the earth outside the house. I will try my Jensen ISO-MAX and my Furman IT Reference 20i to see if it clears up the problem and I'll report back.

3. Comment: I suspect this is also not an 88 problem but is interesting. When I connect my older RP DLP to the 88 via HDMI (it is on a different circuit), it also adds significantly to the noise level.

4. Question: Are multiple circuits from the same circuit panel guaranteed to have the same ground?

5. Question: The dc triggers have different amps. What does that mean to me (and Al Franken)?

Maybe someone is familiar with these issues and would care to comment? Thanks in advance for all the help.

I had a slight tick in my right surround speaker with my first 8801, which I do not hear with my replacement - same amps and cables. But for me, the tick sound happened every three or four minutes, not just once.

Since the original is returned, I never really pursued the root cause
Edited by thrang - 1/24/13 at 1:07pm
post #2139 of 11317
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

You need discrete codes to make re-selection of an existing input work.
Power toggles are no good.

- Rich
please elaborate, i can get my remote to change inputs no problems after its powered on.
my harmony one now works well, i can get marantz to power on zone 1 only for my activities.
when i turn off my system, the marantz properly shuts off.
post #2140 of 11317
Thanks for letting me know that.
post #2141 of 11317
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Originally Posted by rramacha View Post

I dont have pictures and unfortunately sold my 8003 as well. I am getting 8801 tomorrow and will have it installed before saturday night.

I can take pictures of that and send

Nice.
My 8801 arrives tomorrow as well.
Same birthday smile.gif

- Rich
post #2142 of 11317
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

please elaborate, i can get my remote to change inputs no problems after its powered on.
my harmony one now works well, i can get marantz to power on zone 1 only for my activities.
when i turn off my system, the marantz properly shuts off.

The harmony remote tries to remember the on or off state.
So long, as it is right, it works fine.
If not, you hit the help button and it you answer the on off.

Is some piece did not see the or, things get out of sync.
It is much easier if your remote sends on and not toggles.

I use a Pronto which does not remember state so repeating the turn on sequence with a power toggle turns it off.

- Rich
post #2143 of 11317
I am looking at Control4 as an option for my theater set up alone.

Cheers
post #2144 of 11317
Get an HC800 in case you want to do more automation in the house, it will do everything. My entire home is on one including the 8801 since I sell both of course:) There is an 8801 C4 ip driver as well.
post #2145 of 11317
You might want to check Roomie Remote out - very versatile, and easy to setup for IR, IP, and Serial control. Requires an iPhone or iPad.
post #2146 of 11317
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Thrang, you're never gonna believe it...well maybe you will, but my NEO X just magically started working today on DTS HD. I didn't change any connections, it just suddenly today activated my heights (I don't have wides). When I did this a few days ago the heights wouldn't come on, now they do. Same movie, same setup.

On a side note, I think I like NEO x better than DSX. I'll need to listen to it more, but it sounded slightly more articulate than DSX on Avengers.

NeoX is awesome for movies and DSX is awesome for sports! smile.gif
post #2147 of 11317
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Thrang, you're never gonna believe it...well maybe you will, but my NEO X just magically started working today on DTS HD. I didn't change any connections, it just suddenly today activated my heights (I don't have wides). When I did this a few days ago the heights wouldn't come on, now they do. Same movie, same setup.

On a side note, I think I like NEO x better than DSX. I'll need to listen to it more, but it sounded slightly more articulate than DSX on Avengers.

Either you've proved I'm not nuts or you've proved we're both nuts...

Yeah, that's kind of what happened with my second unit, but the first never came to life. Conversely, there's nothing to say they won't disappear either, so I presume this is why a firmware fix is coming...

Yes, I prefer Neo:X, and as Joerod says, DSX is sometimes better for sports...just have to watch for the voice of god syndrome...
post #2148 of 11317
Does anybody know, is the built-in ethernet hub 1 GBits/s or only 100 MBits/s ?
post #2149 of 11317
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

You might want to check Roomie Remote out - very versatile, and easy to setup for IR, IP, and Serial control. Requires an iPhone or iPad.

I saw that, but not sure if I will be able to program that to work consistently. I am not sure if any installer is available for that in 95051 zip code. I don't want a solution thats tough for me to program and my wife being on my back smile.gif

If I can find some one who can program nothing like that.
post #2150 of 11317
I really can't stand any remote based on a touch screen. Does anyone expect to have their phone ready for use all the time. Regardless all these TS remotes are ergonomic nightmares and require looking down at the screen all the time. Most customers hate them and I constantly replace them because someone thought it would be "cool". There are much better options particularly for the non-tech spouse.
post #2151 of 11317
I kind of agree and like Control4 Remote. I also have an option get one downloaded on my ipad (for extra fees). This gives me a backup.
post #2152 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Asx View Post

Does anybody know, is the built-in ethernet hub 1 GBits/s or only 100 MBits/s ?
i believe it is only 100mbit
post #2153 of 11317
Has anyone else tryed configuring the triggers to selectively turn on a device based on which input is on? It is not working on mine. I can't select just one input to turn the trigger on - it is always on. Even if I turn off all the device triggers in setup, I'm still getting 12 volts out of the trigger wire. I called Marantz tech support today and was told with all trigger inputs turned off there should be no currrent at the trigger, and if I was still getting current my AV8801 is defective. However, they also said if I exchanged it for another one, the new one might not work correctly either. Tech support does not yet have a unit of their own to test with - they're supposed to be getting one, but don't have it yet.

It would be appreciated if someone could try this out on their unit. Really don't want to go to the work of packing this up, re-setting a new one up, and discovering that the triggers on the new one still don't work right. I reset the microprocessor - no change.

A couple of tips I can share. If you want the ability to listen\switch to any analog audio source (including network, internet radio, HD radio) while continuing to watch your video source: You can just run RCA cables from a Zone output to the analog input for the HDMI video source your using. Tech support warned me to turn the analog input down to minimum before doing this, but I actually had to turn up both the Zone output and analog input levels to get a decent volume. The InputMode remote command can be used to switch between HDMI and analog sound. Works great!

For the harmony remote users: As discussed earlier, the toggle on/off remote code in the database is not the correct code. In my case, it was executing the Zone 2 On/Off toggle command. I contacted Logitech Support and pointed it out to them. They set up a support ticket and claimed they would follow-up on it. The commands they have in their database for the AV8801 are pretty limited. I added the Marantz AV7005 as another device and found the InputMode command, and a number of other useful commands.
post #2154 of 11317
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Originally Posted by sfav View Post

I really can't stand any remote based on a touch screen. Does anyone expect to have their phone ready for use all the time. Regardless all these TS remotes are ergonomic nightmares and require looking down at the screen all the time. Most customers hate them and I constantly replace them because someone thought it would be "cool". There are much better options particularly for the non-tech spouse.

Just buy a dedicated iPad or iPod Touch if having your phone available is an issue.

I purchased an iPad and a cup holder mount, and it works great - yes, once in a while you wish you had a few hard buttons, but compared to Universal Remote, Nevo, Pronto, and Harmony (the worst), all of which I've programmed, Roomie is by far the easiest and most reliable

post #2155 of 11317
Having a dedicated device is not the only issue. Touch screens are clunky as remotes and most consumers grow tired of turning on a display, keeping it charged, having to look down to see the channel button, etc. Even an ipod makes a poor remote for most consumers, I know this because I have sold and programmed more than 1000 universal remotes and see people wanting to switch back to a standard remote over and over. Hybrid remotes have value but a full TS is not ergonomic at all, it's more of a awkward toy for most users. Yes, I know some people like TS remotes but this is the minority.
post #2156 of 11317
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Originally Posted by marathonman View Post

2. Comment: I suspect this is not an 88 problem. I am hearing an appreciable amount of hum when I connect my cable DVR via HDMI (I've seen a few of the posts on this). Do I really have to use analog connections to avoid this? The box itself is plugged into the same circuit as the 88 but i see that the cable is grounded to a spike in the earth outside the house. I will try my Jensen ISO-MAX and my Furman IT Reference 20i to see if it clears up the problem and I'll report back.

 

Nice that the cable is grounded but it needs to be grounded at or adjacent to the main house ground in order to avoid ground loops through the cable line.

post #2157 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Nice that the cable is grounded but it needs to be grounded at or adjacent to the main house ground in order to avoid ground loops through the cable line.

My experiences are similar to Kal. Having the cable entrance grounded at the same ground potential as the electrical panel can be critical.
post #2158 of 11317
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Originally Posted by denaliman View Post

I just ordered the AV8801. I want to put it in my HT rack. Does anyone have the Marantz rack kit installed? any pictures installed in rack? Not sure if I should go with the Marantz kit or have Middle Atlantic make me a custom RSH faceplate.

I should have the Marantz rack kit for my AV8801 tomorrow. Installation should occur this weekend.
post #2159 of 11317
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Originally Posted by marathonman View Post

4. Question: Are multiple circuits from the same circuit panel guaranteed to have the same ground?

They should all have the same ground, but there are no guarantees. Both home owners and licensed electricians make mistakes in wiring. The quality of grounds can vary. Best case for a circuit is isolated ground. Grounds via flex conduit will typically not be as good as grounds via a direct wire. If the electrical feed involves sub panels, the grounds and neutrals in the sub-panel have to be isolated, but I have seen this done incorrectly.
post #2160 of 11317
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Originally Posted by retate View Post

They should all have the same ground, but there are no guarantees. Both home owners and licensed electricians make mistakes in wiring. The quality of grounds can vary. Best case for a circuit is isolated ground. Grounds via flex conduit will typically not be as good as grounds via a direct wire. If the electrical feed involves sub panels, the grounds and neutrals in the sub-panel have to be isolated, but I have seen this done incorrectly.

Thank you all for your replies. Very helpful.
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