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post #2491 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

The sub amp is about a quarter turn from zero. This is what was needed to set the trim level at -6db for audyssey. When I plugged in the miniDSP I was guessing it would not cut my sublevel, but I was wrong. The only way I can get the miniDSP to read a decent signal is the go into the marantz setup, go to speakers/manual/levels. Crank the receiver to +16db and then set the level to +12. I am using the balanced version of the miniDSP with RCA jacks. I also moved the jumper over to make it more sensitive. I did not think I would have a problem using the miniDSP.

Yours is the second miniDSP related question I've seen this week. Wish I knew something about it.

If I were to guess, I'd say that your subwoofer amplifier should be set higher (which subwoofer is it that you have), put the jumper into the original position and adjust the gain on the miniDSP to get the -6dbs for Audassey.

Let us know how this goes as it's likely to come up again.
post #2492 of 11317
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

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I'm not! yes it's fickle but replacing at this point, means everyone's receivers, players, TV's, projectors are now rendered to the scrap heap and we're all in debt to our eyeballs again tongue.gif I've already got one obsolete HDTV with component & DVI that's now in a 2nd room because of HDMI. I have no desire to see the industry adopt yet another connection and make all my existing very expensive gear obsolete, too.

what a thing to wish for, jd rolleyes.gif or wink.gif or tongue.gif (can't decide which is more appropriate smile.gif)

I agree, HDMI is not going to be replaced any time soon. Just think of the stink all of us with HDMI equipment would raise! The problem is HDCP and the studios/content producers are unlikely to eliminate it.
post #2493 of 11317
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Video issues with the PS3 and other BDPs can often be resolved by setting the "Deep Color Output" setting to OFF.

Deep color is off on my oppo and I just had the no audio again after starting The Watch which I got from redbox...DTS HD MA.
post #2494 of 11317
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

The pictures don't do it justice, but the unit sticking out a little more looks way better I think.

View showing the unit extension
very nice custom rack mount, I like how you extended face-plate out for aesthetics
post #2495 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

I agree, HDMI is not going to be replaced any time soon. Just think of the stink all of us with HDMI equipment would raise! The problem is HDCP and the studios/content producers are unlikely to eliminate it.

They don't think about the stink we could generate, but they will rather see all the money we would have to spend to upgrade.
But as long as we still have Composit connectors on all the newest equipment, HDMI will be with us for a very long time to come.
post #2496 of 11317
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

The pictures don't do it justice, but the unit sticking out a little more looks way better I think.

View showing the unit extension
very nice custom rack mount, I like how you extended face-plate out for aesthetics

Thanks. Something I think I forgot to mention is I had this one made with just a tiny bit extra gap between the faceplate and the unit. The "stock" faceplate on my AV7005 was so tight it was very difficult to keep ti from scratching the plastic facia on the pre-pro. I had this one made with about 1/32" extra gap. Planning to pull the amp and get the drawings done for it this week. It's sitting in a AV8003 (same size) rack shelf in the photos.

I'm still surprised at how much better it made it look to let that curve out a little farther. But quite happy about it.
post #2497 of 11317
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Deep color is off on my oppo and I just had the no audio again after starting The Watch which I got from redbox...DTS HD MA.

Note that solution would resolve a "video" related issue not audio. In your case, try plugging the Oppo into EVERY HDMI input as they are often not always created equal, some working for one device and not for another due to different signal paths (not specifically with the 8801 but prior year D&M units have had this experience). Also try replacing the cable if you haven't already. Try setting the Oppo to PCM rather than bitstream to see if that resolves the issue as well.
post #2498 of 11317
does anyone know if the MM8077 amp has cooling fans?

TIA
post #2499 of 11317
Another option would be the Outlaw.

I auditioned my friends a while back and was really impressed:

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/7200.html

- Rich
post #2500 of 11317
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

does anyone know if the MM8077 amp has cooling fans?

Sounds and Cinema mentions this:

"The output devices are mounted on our unique dual extruded aluminum alloy heat sink assembly, configured in a tunnel arrangement that provides both passive and active cooling. The massive heat sinks feature multiple ribbed fins that provide a large passive cooling area, and the assembly is book-ended with a whisper quiet fan that automatically kicks in to provide near silent active cooling when the soundtrack heats up. As the fan is mounted internally directly to the heat sinks, and not externally to the chassis cover as is often the case, even when it’s running, it’s designed to be whisper quiet."

(first hit google gave me on "mm8807 cooling fan")
post #2501 of 11317
i sure hope the fan is working, because my amp gets hott.
post #2502 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Ettepet View Post

Sounds and Cinema mentions this:

"The output devices are mounted on our unique dual extruded aluminum alloy heat sink assembly, configured in a tunnel arrangement that provides both passive and active cooling. The massive heat sinks feature multiple ribbed fins that provide a large passive cooling area, and the assembly is book-ended with a whisper quiet fan that automatically kicks in to provide near silent active cooling when the soundtrack heats up. As the fan is mounted internally directly to the heat sinks, and not externally to the chassis cover as is often the case, even when it’s running, it’s designed to be whisper quiet."

(first hit google gave me on "mm8807 cooling fan")

Would probably not be weird if they work the same as in the POA denon amp, that has 5 80mm fans also using a tunnel design. They are controlled by the system and depend on several variable among them the volume so they won't run when volume is low. I never hear them in the POA the one you can hear is the one in the AVP that is always on (its used on the now 'old' realta video chip).

Daniel.
post #2503 of 11317
Guys, I can't get the usb/iPod to recognize my galaxy s3. Any ideas?
post #2504 of 11317
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Originally Posted by pwz414 View Post

Guys, I can't get the usb/iPod to recognize my galaxy s3. Any ideas?
As I am sure you are aware, there are two USB's dedicated for iPod. One on the front and one around back. You can only use one at a time and must manually switch between the two. The setting is located in the options menu of the USB/ IPod source. It says USB select. push enter and you will be prompted to choose FRONT / REAR.
Hope this works
post #2505 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Ettepet View Post

This in direct contradiction to what Rich discovered/heard. Did you try setting the speakers to small (or large) to determine if it changes anything at all through 7.1? (While listening to stereo in Pure Direct)

Bass-management could also maybe explain why people were getting weak bass on the balanced inputs (?) in pure direct.

My Marantz AV8801 has been delayed to wednesday (hopefully).

My mains are set to large all you have to do to test this is set the LFe to lfe+mains to hear the addition of the sub even while in "Pure direct" with balanced inputs, but not with the 7.1 inputs, I posted on this early on after receiving the 8801 as my dealer explained this little tid bit to me. look back in threads to find it its post 1723, it was largely ignored, but here we are today and all one needs to do is try it, its of no consequence as the balanced inputs still sound great and I prefer them over the 7.1 inputs for stereo from the 105:)
Edited by audiofan1 - 2/3/13 at 2:47pm
post #2506 of 11317
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

My mains are set to large all you have to do to test this is set the LFe to lfe+mains to hear the addition of the sub even while in "Pure direct" with balanced inputs, but not with the 7.1 inputs, I posted on this early on after receiving the 8801 as my dealer explained this little tid bit to me. look back in threads to find it its post 1723, it was largely ignored, but here we are today and all one needs to do is try it, its of no consequence as the balanced inputs still sound great and I prefer them over the 7.1 inputs for stereo from the 105:)

When my 8801 finally arives I will check for loss of sound quality (or bass) with speakers set to small through the 7.1 inputs in Pure Direct mode.

ps: I read your post 10 days ago, when I was deciding on the Marantz. I will also check if I prefer XLR stereo in or 7.1 in.
post #2507 of 11317
There seems to be a 1080i display issue with the Marantz 8801. I use an HDfury2 HDMI to component video converter connected to my Toshiba RPTV HDTV that only supports interlaced 1080 resolution. I've been using an Oppo BDP-83 set to display 1080i connected to the Toshiba TV through the HDfury2 without any issues for 3 years.

When I set the 8801's "Video Conversion" to On and the "i/p Scaler" to On and the HDMI resolution to 1080i, I don't get a any picture out on the TV screen. If I set the "Video Conversion" to Off and the "i/p Scaler" to Off, I still don't get any picture on the TV. It appears that the 8801 looks up the EDID on the HDfury2 converter and sees that it's capable of 1080P and totally disregards the settings entered in its own menu and sends out 1080P.

Can someone with 5 minutes to spare please force their HDTV to 1080i resolution and test if they can get a picture when setting the "Video Conversion" and "i/p Scaler" as in the two scenarios above. If some can reproduce this issue, I'll send an e-mail to Marantz support. Eventually, in a few months, I'll get a new plasma panel but until it would be nice to have this issue resolved. Thanks in advance.
Edited by jam88 - 2/3/13 at 7:25pm
post #2508 of 11317
jam88

There's no problem getting 1080i through the 8801 by selecting the 1080i output resolution.

I was playing around with it just this afternoon as I was trying to determine if the picture on my plasma looks better with 720p or converted externally via the 8801 to 1080i. Turns out the Superbowl was in 1080i anyway.
post #2509 of 11317
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

Go ahead, call me stupid; Its on the front panel of the unit itself, zone 2 on/off, zone 3 on/off, zone 4 on/off.

DOH!


I turned the system on and later I shut it all down, using my Harmony One remote.

Zones 2, 3 and 4 went on again, and do not shut off without me manually turning them off. Any way to leave the off?
post #2510 of 11317
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

jam88

There's no problem getting 1080i through the 8801 by selecting the 1080i output resolution.

I was playing around with it just this afternoon as I was trying to determine if the picture on my plasma looks better with 720p or converted externally via the 8801 to 1080i. Turns out the Superbowl was in 1080i anyway.

Thanks Jim. It must be a handshaking issue between the 8801 and the HDfury2. I've tried to get it to work in so many ways but to no avail. The Oppo works perfectly.
post #2511 of 11317
Hi Everyone. I just setup a new 8801 this weekend. I am running a 9.2 system with front heights. I am having a trouble with the front panel lights. When in any mode that enables the front height speakers, I get sound out of both height speakers, but only the left indicator light is on. The right height channel indicator lights stays off. I presume this is a problem only with the panel light indicator since I do get a tone when calibrating and I do get sound when playing back in any mode that enables the heights.

Has anybody experienced this? I see Thrang has discovered some bugs with the NeoX mode, but the problem he discovered relates to audio playback through the heights and not just the indicator light not lighting.

Thanks for any ideas.
post #2512 of 11317
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Originally Posted by jboz View Post

....The right height channel indicator lights stays off. .

Isn't the right indicator read W ? Front wides regards.
post #2513 of 11317
^^
Good catch ... and yes, correct .... each L/R Height and Wide speaker pair is only represented by a single "H" or "W" icon as noted in the image below ...


post #2514 of 11317
So, evidently with my old age I am also going blind. Thanks for educating and not crucifying the blind! I got so used to seeing all of Thrang's indicators light up that I was expecting symmetry in the front panel indicator lights on mine too. I was expecting a pair of indicators for the heights and two more indicators for the pair of wides. After all that staring at the panel I didn't even notice that one indicator had an H and the other a W. Good. I did not want to go through a replacement. Now need to get that Audyssey eq dialed in. Thanks all.
Edited by jboz - 2/4/13 at 10:55am
post #2515 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Ettepet View Post

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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

does anyone know if the MM8077 amp has cooling fans?

Sounds and Cinema mentions this:

"The output devices are mounted on our unique dual extruded aluminum alloy heat sink assembly, configured in a tunnel arrangement that provides both passive and active cooling. The massive heat sinks feature multiple ribbed fins that provide a large passive cooling area, and the assembly is book-ended with a whisper quiet fan that automatically kicks in to provide near silent active cooling when the soundtrack heats up. As the fan is mounted internally directly to the heat sinks, and not externally to the chassis cover as is often the case, even when it’s running, it’s designed to be whisper quiet."

(first hit google gave me on "mm8807 cooling fan")

Thanks for that

reminds me of similar claims from Lexicon when they released their LX7 amp: they boasted thermally controlled fans optimized for low noise levels: I bought one and when playing loud music the fans ramped up to jet aircraft noise levels...

I am interested in the Marantz amp (to replace Emo XPA 5) but hope we can get some actual user reports to confirm 'whisper quiet'
post #2516 of 11317
has anyone successfully used the "SURR -" hex code in their remotes?

I can get "SURR +" to work, but the other doesn't work no matter what I do! frown.gif I've tried other models like the 7005 and many others from Marantz in the URC software but nothing works!mad.gif

Any help is greatly appreciated!
post #2517 of 11317
Just finised putting the AV8801 into my rack. And doing an quick setup. Doing the serious setup this weekend, when I have more time.

But the initial thoughts are very positive. Just put on the latest Gamma Ray blu-ray what I watched this weekend with the AV8003. And even with the BDs faults, it did sound much more detailed.
Going with my Musical Fidelity M1Clic music streamer, the bass sounded much richer, maybe a little bit too much?. But all over more detailed than I remember.
The only difference in the setup is that the M1Clic got new Audioquest cables, better ones than before.


But one thing. When listening to music I turned on Pure Direct. But when switching to another input, do I have to manually turn it off?
Doesn't it remember the last setting for the input?

I like to have the music on Pure, and automaticly be there when using it.

I tested the unit with powering on with the standby button, and turning it off again with the same button.
And it didn't seem to turn the Zones on. When testing one of the hard zone on/off buttons, it turned on.
Should it turn all Zones off, and only main off?

I checked for firmware upgrades, and it said I had the latest, maybe that fault got fixed?
post #2518 of 11317
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Originally Posted by AndersT2 View Post

Just finised putting the AV8801 into my rack. And doing an quick setup. Doing the serious setup this weekend, when I have more time.

But the initial thoughts are very positive. Just put on the latest Gamma Ray blu-ray what I watched this weekend with the AV8003. And even with the BDs faults, it did sound much more detailed.
Going with my Musical Fidelity M1Clic music streamer, the bass sounded much richer, maybe a little bit too much?. But all over more detailed than I remember.
The only difference in the setup is that the M1Clic got new Audioquest cables, better ones than before.


But one thing. When listening to music I turned on Pure Direct. But when switching to another input, do I have to manually turn it off?
Doesn't it remember the last setting for the input?

I like to have the music on Pure, and automaticly be there when using it.

I tested the unit with powering on with the standby button, and turning it off again with the same button.
And it didn't seem to turn the Zones on. When testing one of the hard zone on/off buttons, it turned on.
Should it turn all Zones off, and only main off?

I checked for firmware upgrades, and it said I had the latest, maybe that fault got fixed?

Congrats on your 8801 , as long as you assign say your music to the cd input and use pure direct it will remember that setting but for auto say you use the bluray input it will remember that as well!
post #2519 of 11317
Quick question for the group: I just received a demo pair of 88's and am waiting for them to thaw out before power-up. My initial ecstasy has been somewhat tempered by the fact that I have a mismatched set. The 8801 is a Japanese built unit; the 8077 was built in China. Is this the case with anyone else? Should I be overly concerned with this or is the quality level about the same? I've certainly heard arguments on both sides of that coin. My guess is that the first wave of units that we received in December were all built in Japan. Then there was a lull in January with some vendors running out of amplifiers. When the amps finally shipped (last week) it appears that some are now coming from China or at least the one that I received. I don't plan on returning the units just yet as I am really anxious to hear how they sound compared to the 77's that I have. Once I do some burn-in time on the 88's, I will attempt to do some A/B comparisons. I'm already aware of how difficult this will be to do with any degree of objectivity, but I will try at least, to resolve in my own mind whether the 88's are worth double the price.
post #2520 of 11317
There is a 7 minute firmware update showing. I'm going for it. UPDATING says "MAIN"
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