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post #3571 of 11327
Thanks Bill.

I ordered a Furman Elite 15 PFi because I doublt I will plug the amp into the unit anyway and that should take care of the rest of my equipment.

- Rich
post #3572 of 11327
The Furman 20 Elite 20 pfi can be used on 15 amp circuits as well as 20 amp - I think it comes with both types of power cords.
post #3573 of 11327
I've had the Marantz 8801 set up for a few days now, it replaced my Denon 4311. I was a bit sceptical about all the praise heaped on the Marantz as many of the reports seemed to be from people coming from Audyssey XT units. I remember the Denon 4311 with Audyssey XT32 being a big step up from my previous XT equipped Onkyo so I suspected this was at least a contributor to peoples favourable reviews.

Anyway it really is as good as all the reports say, very smooth, very detailed. I was already running a 11.4 setup with my Denon, but the sound really is much more enveloping with the Marantz. There's new details in movies and musicals I know well that I use for testing new gear or configurations, that I've never heard before. I've had 4 receivers before, each better than the last and all good gear. Despite the Denon 4311 being a seriously good bit of gear, I think the step up again to the Marantz is one of the biggest improvements between receiver/pre-pro upgrades I've ever experienced.

Its also interesting I was quote happy with the sound of the Denon 4311 with Audyssey XT32 setup, but when I bought the Audyssey Pro gear and did some calibrations the result was much more detailed, more enveloping, much better separation between voices and background music but it was too bright for me. Voices and anything higher frequency was harsh. Audyssey Pro enables the creation of custom curves so I dialled it back a bit from 5000 Hz upwards and used the mid-range compensation setting. That solved the issue for me, but I was aware the audio in my room was now no longer calibrated to any sort of standard. I didn't do a XT32 calibration on the Marantz, but went straight to a Pro calibration. Graphs came out pretty much the same as the unmodified Denon 4311 result but it sounded fantastic, voices very realistic, music highs very, very smooth, no mid-range compensation or toning back of high frequency required.

One of the big things I notice constantly with the Marantz is that when watching crap quality broadcast TV shows with a crap stereo soundtrack, what was non-descript background music now sounds fantastic and ever so smooth and detailed, with so much separation from the vocals.

Downsides - after 4 receivers, this is the first unit that doesn't have a dimmable display, its on or off. I like to have the display on, but its too bright. Also it doesn't tell you much, the Denon 4311 displayed full info on the incoming audio signal, and the outgoing matrixing and a good indication of what options were on and off, such as Dynamic Equalisation, Dynamic Volume, etc. The Marantz seems to display much more basic info and only incoming or outgoing not both at the same time.The display on the Denon was quite useful at times to indicate when unwanted options were accidentally on, and as I have many different sources it's good to know what the audio details are for whatever it is I'm watching.

Thumbs down on the display.
Big Thumbs Up on the Audio and this is afterall what it's all about.
Edited by ausvette - 3/4/13 at 8:17pm
post #3574 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Bill222 View Post

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Furman was a higher end company.
That thing costs more than the amp and weights as much.
An amp in front of an amp?

I don't know where you're shopping, and I think I usually pay too much, but the Furman Elite-15 PFi is definitely cheaper than any of my amps, and only weighs 15 pounds. Your amp only weighs 15 pounds? Or maybe I misunderstood the message and you were referring to something else other than Furman 15 PFi.

seems there are 2 models that are very close

the one I have is the Reference series IT- Reference 15i
post #3575 of 11327
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Originally Posted by ausvette View Post

Big Thumbs Up on the Audio and this is afterall what it's all about.
great, thanks! Are you using disc players for music? If so which models?
Edited by WestCoastD - 3/5/13 at 7:45pm
post #3576 of 11327
More Detailed Info Display.

OK - I'm watching Cable TV through my Marantz. If I hit the "info" button on the Marantz remote (in "Amp" mode - so it's the Amp's info), the 8801 shows me the plain, boring, bottom-of-the-screen-box:

Source: Cable
Sound: DOBLY PL II x Movie
Volume level...

But I get different info from my Cable TV remote. I'm using a remote from Brighthouse Cable. It's model 1056B03 described at www.urcsupport.com. At that website, it tells me the remote code for an Audio device by Marantz is 1289. So I programmed the "Aux" device on my cable remote to use Marantz 1289 codes.

Now - when I click "Info" from my cable remote - I don't get the simple, 3-line, bottom-of-the-screen status. No. Now the 8801 provides me 7 pages of status information (pressing "Info" repeatedly works as a "next page" to page through the 7 pages).

Page 1 - Audio signal info
Page 2 - HDMI signal info
Page 3 - Monitor 1 info
Page 4 - Monitor 2 info
Page 5 - Main Zone info (1st page)
Page 6 - Main Zone info (2nd page)
Page 7 - Zone 2/Zone 3 info

Now - my question is - how do you pull up this info using just the remote from Marantz?

If my cable remote "info" button had not caused my Marantz to display all these pages of wonderful info, I wouldn't have known this info was readily available while watching my shows.
post #3577 of 11327
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Thanks Bill.

I ordered a Furman Elite 15 PFi because I doublt I will plug the amp into the unit anyway and that should take care of the rest of my equipment.

- Rich

Rich - based on your posts - you're one of those guys with ears good enough to hear the difference in bright/separated/harsh/etc. play-back qualities. I invite you to try plugging your amp(s) into the Furman (making sure you plug into the bank of plugs marked "Amplifier Outlets") and see what your ears think of the result.

BTW - did you ever get around to testing the 7.1 RCA inputs to see if they are affected by the 8801 Speaker Config --> Manual Config --> Speaker Levels? Obviously the speaker levels of the test tone from the 8801 change as you adjust the levels up or down, but I found no impact on playback over the 7.1 RCA inputs.
post #3578 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Bill222 View Post

More Detailed Info Display.

OK - I'm watching Cable TV through my Marantz. If I hit the "info" button on the Marantz remote (in "Amp" mode - so it's the Amp's info), the 8801 shows me the plain, boring, bottom-of-the-screen-box:

Source: Cable
Sound: DOBLY PL II x Movie
Volume level...

But I get different info from my Cable TV remote. I'm using a remote from Brighthouse Cable. It's model 1056B03 described at www.urcsupport.com. At that website, it tells me the remote code for an Audio device by Marantz is 1289. So I programmed the "Aux" device on my cable remote to use Marantz 1289 codes.

Now - when I click "Info" from my cable remote - I don't get the simple, 3-line, bottom-of-the-screen status. No. Now the 8801 provides me 7 pages of status information (pressing "Info" repeatedly works as a "next page" to page through the 7 pages).

Page 1 - Audio signal info
Page 2 - HDMI signal info
Page 3 - Monitor 1 info
Page 4 - Monitor 2 info
Page 5 - Main Zone info (1st page)
Page 6 - Main Zone info (2nd page)
Page 7 - Zone 2/Zone 3 info

Now - my question is - how do you pull up this info using just the remote from Marantz?

If my cable remote "info" button had not caused my Marantz to display all these pages of wonderful info, I wouldn't have known this info was readily available while watching my shows.
I discovered & posted that discovery here in this thread. The code is called "Status" It is a marantz ir code. Unfortunately that ir code along with others I discovered, are only useful if you have a programmable remote.
post #3579 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

I discovered & posted that discovery here in this thread. The code is called "Status" It is a marantz ir code. Unfortunately that ir code along with others I discovered, are only useful if you have a programmable remote.

So there's no way to get the out-of-the-box remote from Marantz to pull up "Status"? The remote that came with the 8801 can't do it?

I guess I could always put the Marantz remote into "learning" mode and have it "learn" the command from my Cable remote.... But that just seems...... Wrong.
post #3580 of 11327
Good idea. I was going to suggest that, but maybe you might want to look at a Harmony or other programmable remotes to take care of that need, & others that might arise.
post #3581 of 11327
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Originally Posted by ausvette View Post

Big Thumbs Up on the Audio and this is afterall what it's all about.[/quotegreat, thanks! Are you using disc players for music? If so which models?]

Mainly Media PC using hdmi. Also Oppo 93 via hdmi.
post #3582 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Bill222 View Post

Rich - based on your posts - you're one of those guys with ears good enough to hear the difference in bright/separated/harsh/etc. play-back qualities. I invite you to try plugging your amp(s) into the Furman (making sure you plug into the bank of plugs marked "Amplifier Outlets") and see what your ears think of the result.

BTW - did you ever get around to testing the 7.1 RCA inputs to see if they are affected by the 8801 Speaker Config --> Manual Config --> Speaker Levels? Obviously the speaker levels of the test tone from the 8801 change as you adjust the levels up or down, but I found no impact on playback over the 7.1 RCA inputs.

I will try out the amp outlets.
I bought the furman for non-sacrificial surge suppression and over voltage which happen regularly.
I have a 400 amp service and two panels because my house was originally electric heat so my boxes are lightly loaded and I can pull new circuits if need be.

I tied the bass management via the 7.1 inputs and there is no bass management.

- Rich
post #3583 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

I discovered & posted that discovery here in this thread. The code is called "Status" It is a marantz ir code. Unfortunately that ir code along with others I discovered, are only useful if you have a programmable remote.

I programmed this and it works very well with the big display window open.
I have not found a code that caused the volume to display in the circle window.
For that, I had to program a volume up/down sequence.

Have you found one to turn the display on in Pure Direct?

- Rich
post #3584 of 11327
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I programmed this and it works very well with the big display window open.
I have not found a code that caused the volume to display in the circle window.
For that, I had to program a volume up/down sequence.

Have you found one to turn the display on in Pure Direct?

- Rich
I haven't experimented with Pure Direct yet. There are commands for the display though. That might be it. I don't know.
post #3585 of 11327
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Have you found one to turn the display on in Pure Direct?

- Rich

I'd be surprised if there is one, since that sorta defeats some of the purported benefit of pure direct.
post #3586 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

I discovered & posted that discovery here in this thread. The code is called "Status" It is a marantz ir code. Unfortunately that ir code along with others I discovered, are only useful if you have a programmable remote.

I need the ability to on-screen, on-the-fly adjust sub volume for 2 subs while watching movies or listening to music. This not being available as it is in the Denon AVP is a serious mistake by Marantz. What is the solution?
post #3587 of 11327
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

I'd be surprised if there is one, since that sorta defeats some of the purported benefit of pure direct.

There is an option in the HDMI settings to pass though a video signal even when the unit is off, or in this case, Pure Direct. You can default it to a particular input or last used.
post #3588 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

I discovered & posted that discovery here in this thread. The code is called "Status" It is a marantz ir code. Unfortunately that ir code along with others I discovered, are only useful if you have a programmable remote.

I need the ability to on-screen, on-the-fly adjust sub volume for 2 subs while watching movies or listening to music. This not being available as it is in the Denon AVP is a serious mistake by Marantz. What is the solution?

there are IR and serial codes for:

Subwoofer + (Up)
Subwoofer - (Down)
Subwoofer 2 + (Up)
Subwoofer 2 - (Down)

not sure if it displays on screen though
post #3589 of 11327
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there are IR and serial codes for:

Subwoofer + (Up)
Subwoofer - (Down)
Subwoofer 2 + (Up)
Subwoofer 2 - (Down)

not sure if it displays on screen though

I don't own a universal remote. How do you do this with the Marantz remote? Also is it possible for Marantz to add this to their remote if not available now?
post #3590 of 11327
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

there are IR and serial codes for:

Subwoofer + (Up)
Subwoofer - (Down)
Subwoofer 2 + (Up)
Subwoofer 2 - (Down)

not sure if it displays on screen though

I don't own a universal remote. How do you do this with the Marantz remote? Also is it possible for Marantz to add this to their remote if not available now?

I think you would need a universal remote that can learn or be programmed with the proper IR codes
post #3591 of 11327
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

I'd be surprised if there is one, since that sorta defeats some of the purported benefit of pure direct.

Not really,

Pure Direct has an effect and I like it.However, turning off the LCD display is not part of it.
Just toggle the volume up and down. Can you hear the result of the display turning on. I can't.

Neither can I hear turning off the video display in the Oppo.
Oppo took great care to isolcate the audio from the video. It had to have good audio and video at the same time.

I maintain the the Marantz Video processing chip has more of an affect on the sound that the LCD display.
I'll bet it uses more power.

Turning off the display is a marketing feature.

- Rich
post #3592 of 11327
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I think you would need a universal remote that can learn or be programmed with the proper IR codes

Yep. Even though, the Harmony remotes cannot learn from codes, you can enter a support ticket with the codes you want added and they will update your remote with them.
At least, they did for me smile.gif

- Rich
post #3593 of 11327
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I will be auditioning the 7500 to see if I like it better than the XPA 5 with the 8801

I have a 5.1 system consisting of Focal Electra 1000 BE series fronts/ center, and surrounds and a Rythmik F15 sub

Mark,

Be sure to post your feedback here or send me a PM. I've been looking at the Outlaw amp as well.

Thanks,

Post here!!! I would be very interested in this info as well!!!
post #3594 of 11327
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Not really

Really.

The point was it's all part of the Pure Direct deal, whether or not you think it matters doesn't matter to the point.
post #3595 of 11327
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

there are IR and serial codes for:

Subwoofer + (Up)
Subwoofer - (Down)
Subwoofer 2 + (Up)
Subwoofer 2 - (Down)

not sure if it displays on screen though

I abandoned Harmony and all IR for that matter. Went to iRule and am controlling through the home network. Individual speaker up downs are available, as well as some limited feedback from the Marantz.
A bit of a learning curve - but the whole iRule project has gotten a very high WAF from she who must be obeyed.
post #3596 of 11327
I also abandoned IR control when I realized my plasma and CCFL LCD displays caused major IR interference and compromised IR control: an IR repeater made things worse

but it is a lot of work to set up and keep it working
post #3597 of 11327
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Really.

The point was it's all part of the Pure Direct deal, whether or not you think it matters doesn't matter to the point.

Its whether or not I can hear the difference.

I cannot hear the difference in sending the status code to display information in the large LCD window while playing a source in Pure Direct Mode.
Not when it turns on, not when it turns off.
This is something you can try.
Perhaps there is a difference but not one I can detect.


I can hear the difference in Pure Direct mode turning Lip-Sync: Off, Video Mode: Game, Video Processing: Off.

Many cannot hear any difference between Pure Direct and Direct.
I hear one and prefer Pure Direct.


- Rich
post #3598 of 11327
RichB

I tried your suggestion to compare OPPO 105 HDMI versus 7.1 outs:

to me the 7.1 feed sounded better than the HDMI audio
post #3599 of 11327
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

RichB

I tried your suggestion to compare OPPO 105 HDMI versus 7.1 outs:

to me the 7.1 feed sounded better than the HDMI audio

Thanks for the feedback.

I am not sure if this is well known, but the video and audio source settings are stored per input.
I set the Blu-ray source to use the 7.1 input, turn off the video processing, and use Pure Direct.

- Rich
post #3600 of 11327
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

RichB

I tried your suggestion to compare OPPO 105 HDMI versus 7.1 outs:

to me the 7.1 feed sounded better than the HDMI audio



I'm going to have to try them, your about the third person that said they sounded better. Is it a warmer sound or more dynamic?
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