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post #3631 of 11280
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

My dealer Sound Advice brought out a new AV8001 and it would not connect either. So they took the new unit next door and on my neighbor's network it had no trouble connecting and downloading the updated firmware which means my network is the issue.

I spent several hours on the phone with Comcast's fee based support group who really know their stuff. Unfortunately after connecting to my network and applying all their tricks and tweaks the Marantz unit would still not connect through my Comcast Arris TG852G Telephony/Modem/Wireless Router. The fix was to purchase my own wireless router and then have the Arris put in bridge mode so I could use my Lynksys EA6500. After having the Comcast Modem put in bridge mode I ran the Lynksys install software and within 10 minutes all my network devices including the AV8801 were connecting flawlessly with solid fast signals.

So the moral of the story is if you have a Comcast Telephony Wireless Modem Router combo don't waste you time if your Marantz won't connect on its own. Get your own router, put the Comcast piece in bridge mode and connect with ease.

My [Comcast > Motorala SB6141 Modem > Netgear WNDR3700v.2 Gbit Router] has worked flawlessly since day one.

I would avoid integrated modem/router solutions at all costs.
post #3632 of 11280
Never had any networking issues, previously i had roadrunner with a motorola modem, dlink router and a dlink switch it connected into

currently it is connected into a switch that goes into my fios modem/router combo

no issues at all even with the different ip network assigning new numbers.
post #3633 of 11280
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

^^

W'ell try not to disturb you.
The Outlaw looks much better in person than it does on the web site.
It is big, black, and beefy smile.gif

- Rich



That gives new meaning to BBB smile.gif
post #3634 of 11280
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Not sure if this helps. I have Comcast also, but I only use their modem and my own Netgear wifi router. I just upgraded routers to the newer WNDR4500 with good results.

Yep ! I have Comcast and the Netgear 4500 as well ! no probs
post #3635 of 11280
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Actually, I was looking for a command to turn the circle display on while in Pure Direct mode so I could see the volume.
I couldn't find one and I programmed a bunch into my Pronto.
Plenty turned on the rectangle display.
In order to do this, I programmed volume up/down sequence.

The other point was illumination of these displays has no audible effect on the sound quality.

I really have no idea what point your point is.
Are you asking a question?

- Rich

I understand perfectly what you were looking for. I said I don't think it exists, then you went off on some tangent about not being able to hear the different with the display on or off.

Here's the condensed version...

You: Anyone know of a code to turn on the display in Pure Direct?
Me: Unlikely there is one since the display being off is a purported benefit of Pure Direct.
You: I don't hear a difference with the display on or off, it's just a marketing ploy.
Me: I don't care if you hear a difference or not, the point was you were looking for a code to turn on the display.

So, there are two points -
  • There likely isn't a code for exactly what you want to do, without using the volume workaround, because it's contrary to Pure Direct.
  • I don't care if you hear a difference or not with the display on vs. off, or think the display off in Pure Direct is a marketing ploy. Both are irrelevant to whether or not a code exists to turn on the circle display in pure direct.
post #3636 of 11280
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Yep ! I have Comcast and the Netgear 4500 as well ! no probs



Hi you're probably more familiar with the 4500 than I am. Since I've installed it a few weeks ago my son is complaining about his ps3 lagging when he's online. This is when I'm streaming music from the internet or Sirius. Do you find the 8801to be a hog when it comes to your network? He's on the 2.4 band and I'm assuming the Marantz is also. My iPhone and iPad are the only devices that I can connect to the 5 band. Am I doing something wrong?
post #3637 of 11280
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mark View Post

I have to agree, I love my 8801. I was on the hometheater forums and asked about the MM8077 amp. I was refered to a $300 stereo crown amp instead of the 8077. I think I will keep my order for the 8077 instead. Should be here soon.

Pro amps work great. Here are mine. All modified with quiet fans for a princely sum of $40 total for all four amps.



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post #3638 of 11280
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Pro amps work great. Here are mine. All modified with quiet fans for a princely sum of $40 total for all four amps.



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That's impressive, love it!
post #3639 of 11280
Thread Starter 
Let's not turn this into an 'all amp sound the same thread' shall we? I love your rack (that's what she said), but I prefer my Parasound A51
post #3640 of 11280
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

I understand perfectly what you were looking for. I said I don't think it exists, then you went off on some tangent about not being able to hear the different with the display on or off.

Here's the condensed version...

You: Anyone know of a code to turn on the display in Pure Direct?
Me: Unlikely there is one since the display being off is a purported benefit of Pure Direct.
You: I don't hear a difference with the display on or off, it's just a marketing ploy.
Me: I don't care if you hear a difference or not, the point was you were looking for a code to turn on the display.

So, there are two points -
  • There likely isn't a code for exactly what you want to do, without using the volume workaround, because it's contrary to Pure Direct.
  • I don't care if you hear a difference or not with the display on vs. off, or think the display off in Pure Direct is a marketing ploy. Both are irrelevant to whether or not a code exists to turn on the circle display in pure direct.
Brutal honesty.
post #3641 of 11280
Who said anything about sound? Someone mentioned Crown, I showed my QSCs and said they work great.
post #3642 of 11280
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

I understand perfectly what you were looking for. I said I don't think it exists, then you went off on some tangent about not being able to hear the different with the display on or off.

Here's the condensed version...

You: Anyone know of a code to turn on the display in Pure Direct?
Me: Unlikely there is one since the display being off is a purported benefit of Pure Direct.
You: I don't hear a difference with the display on or off, it's just a marketing ploy.
Me: I don't care if you hear a difference or not, the point was you were looking for a code to turn on the display.

So, there are two points -
  • There likely isn't a code for exactly what you want to do, without using the volume workaround, because it's contrary to Pure Direct.
  • I don't care if you hear a difference or not with the display on vs. off, or think the display off in Pure Direct is a marketing ploy. Both are irrelevant to whether or not a code exists to turn on the circle display in pure direct.

There are a few codes that turn on the big LED display in Pure Direct mode including the Status command.
If you turn on the big one is not contrary to Pure Direct, then the little one is not (as is showing the volume).
Open the door, press status, and keep your eyes open too smile.gif

Of course, this conversation is completely irrelevant.
I sent a request to Marantz to ask for an information command display to illuminate the volume level.

- Rich
post #3643 of 11280
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post



the Outlaw 7500 is in the house and temporally hooked up and working: I will give it some time to break in

this beast has all the weight up front behind the front panel: you can see two huge toroids from the top

speaker terminals are heavy duty

I am listening to it and already performed my 'stress test' which is operating at high volume with a known source (OPPO 105/ Dire Straits Brothers In Arms SACD via 7.1 analog) connected through Furman IT Reference 15i

so far so good...

I bought a Middle Atlantic RSH custom rack mount for it if I decide to keep it

I've rack mounted my lighter components except for my amps. I can't imagine how to rack mount such heavy beasts... at least how to hold them up while screwing them in.
post #3644 of 11280
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post


Open the door, press status, and keep your eyes open too smile.gif

- Rich

Nah. Not going to check the display. I believe you that it does what you say, but it's immaterial to me. While I think my HT sounds pretty good, it's not my "critical listening" system where I might be concerned if the display is on or off..
post #3645 of 11280
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Nah. Not going to check the display. I believe you that it does what you say, but it's immaterial to me. While I think my HT sounds pretty good, it's not my "critical listening" system where I might be concerned if the display is on or off..

That's fine.

It would be nice if the Info button did something in pure direct mode.
Sort of Volume up without the up. wink.gif

- Rich
post #3646 of 11280
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

Let's not turn this into an 'all amp sound the same thread' shall we? I love your rack (that's what she said), but I prefer my Parasound A51

Agreed, my Parasound A-51 is a better match. Plus I can use the MM8077 as a stepping stone to another couple A-51's.
post #3647 of 11280
I'm torn between the Parasound and Outlaw....I need to save some additional funds biggrin.gif
post #3648 of 11280
I thought ATI made Outlaw's balanced versions but the price on the 7500 makes me wonder as it undercuts the ATI AT2005 by quite a bit, even through ClassicAudioParts as a so called B stock. I wasn't in the market for an amp but at that price!?
post #3649 of 11280
I have been using Wyred4Sound ICEbox MC to handle 6 of my channels and I think it is a good match to the warmer Marantz house sound. I have it configured with 6xASP500 modules which delivers 500W per channel to my 4ohm Thiel PowerPoint speakers.
post #3650 of 11280
I reviewed a Wyred4Sound amp a few years ago and was quite impressed with it.
post #3651 of 11280
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I thought ATI made Outlaw's balanced versions but the price on the 7500 makes me wonder as it undercuts the ATI AT2005 by quite a bit, even through ClassicAudioParts as a so called B stock. I wasn't in the market for an amp but at that price!?

Outlaw is a separate company and ATI makes amps for than and many other companies.
The good news is you can get the same amp from Outlaw at a great price and IMO it looks better (a bit less industrial).
Outlaw also has B-Stock wink.gif

- Rich
post #3652 of 11280
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mark View Post

Agreed, my Parasound A-51 is a better match. Plus I can use the MM8077 as a stepping stone to another couple A-51's.

A better match? What does that mean?
post #3653 of 11280
Hello,
While I own a Parasound HCA-2205AT from which the Halo A51 is decidedly a kissing cousin, if I were to purchase an MCH Amplifier right now, it would be a 7500/7700. The dual 1.6 kVA Toroidal Transormers compared to a single 2.2 kVA in the Halo and pretty close amount of filter capacitance (150,000uf vs 164,000uf), makes it difficult for me to see spending over $3000 more for the Halo.

I use my 2205 for the Surrounds and Center and have been alternating between my Parasound HCA-3500 and Aragon 8008bb for the Mains. That being said, I have driven my Martin Logan Vantages, Stage, and Vista all off the 2205 to excellent effect and the Outlaw would offer even more headroom. At $1599, the Outlaw Model 7500 is one of the best buys for an HT Amplifier in my estimation. I have no doubt Pro Amplifiers like Crown, Peavy, Behringer, et al would do quite well too. However, I have always gravitated towards the 3 amplifiers I have used for over a decade now.
Cheers,
AD
post #3654 of 11280
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
While I own a Parasound HCA-2205AT from which the Halo A51 is decidedly a kissing cousin, if I were to purchase an MCH Amplifier right now, it would be a 7500/7700. The dual 1.6 kVA Toroidal Transormers compared to a single 2.2 kVA in the Halo and pretty close amount of filter capacitance (150,000uf vs 164,000uf), makes it difficult for me to see spending over $3000 more for the Halo.

I use my 2205 for the Surrounds and Center and have been alternating between my Parasound HCA-3500 and Aragon 8008bb for the Mains. That being said, I have driven my Martin Logan Vantages, Stage, and Vista all off the 2205 to excellent effect and the Outlaw would offer even more headroom. At $1599, the Outlaw Model 7500 is one of the best buys for an HT Amplifier in my estimation. I have no doubt Pro Amplifiers like Crown, Peavy, Behringer, et al would do quite well too. However, I have always gravitated towards the 3 amplifiers I have used for over a decade now.
Cheers,
AD

That's what I've been wrestling with. I've heard the Parasounds in action and they sound great, but are they worth the money by comparison?
post #3655 of 11280
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi you're probably more familiar with the 4500 than I am. Since I've installed it a few weeks ago my son is complaining about his ps3 lagging when he's online. This is when I'm streaming music from the internet or Sirius. Do you find the 8801to be a hog when it comes to your network? He's on the 2.4 band and I'm assuming the Marantz is also. My iPhone and iPad are the only devices that I can connect to the 5 band. Am I doing something wrong?

My 4500 is fairly new as well and I have the 8801 on a powerline adapter with my Oppo into port one, the only wireless is the laptop,tablet and Ps3, but I do hear the wife complain a little about dropouts , if anything get a new modem ( I suspect Comcast) or reboot it to see if it helps. My Hd dvr's have been a little buggy lately as well! But when watching or streaming all seems fine.
post #3656 of 11280
Ok, you know honestly I suspect the modem. Speed tests, if you can believe them, showed good speed, but I'm thinking it's bottle necking somewhere. I'll give them a call, just hope I don't get Peggy from Istanbul haha.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/7/13 at 4:23am
post #3657 of 11280
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Yep ! I have Comcast and the Netgear 4500 as well ! no probs



Hi you're probably more familiar with the 4500 than I am. Since I've installed it a few weeks ago my son is complaining about his ps3 lagging when he's online. This is when I'm streaming music from the internet or Sirius. Do you find the 8801to be a hog when it comes to your network? He's on the 2.4 band and I'm assuming the Marantz is also. My iPhone and iPad are the only devices that I can connect to the 5 band. Am I doing something wrong?

If you want to minimize interference between networked devices, you have to use wired connections for everything. That'll provide far better bandwidth to all of them and much more reliability than wireless can provide. Of course, your connection to your Internet service provider and the quality of their service will continue to be bottlenecks.
post #3658 of 11280
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

If you want to minimize interference between networked devices, you have to use wired connections for everything. That'll provide far better bandwidth to all of them and much more reliability than wireless can provide. Of course, your connection to your Internet service provider and the quality of their service will continue to be bottlenecks.



That is exactly why I went with a dual band gigabit router. Everyone is receiving a 95-100% signal from it. I'm thinking my neighbors are picking up my signal better than their own. The 8801 is plugged in directly via a cat 6 cable. I'm thinking like was suggested it could be the Comcast router clogging things up. It's probably 4 years old and I'm not so sure it can handle what I'm throwing at it now. I hear what your saying about being plugged directly in, it's just not possible for my son to do. I shudder to think of the bandwidth nightmare awaiting all of us when the 4K thing goes full speed ahead. There's barely enough bandwidth now let alone for the 100 gig, hours long movie downloads that Sony is talking about for the Ps4.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/7/13 at 5:13am
post #3659 of 11280
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

If you want to minimize interference between networked devices, you have to use wired connections for everything. That'll provide far better bandwidth to all of them and much more reliability than wireless can provide. Of course, your connection to your Internet service provider and the quality of their service will continue to be bottlenecks.



That is exactly why I went with a dual band gigabit router. Everyone is receiving a 95-100% signal from it. I'm thinking my neighbors are picking up my signal better than their own. The 8801 is plugged in directly via a cat 6 cable. I'm thinking like was suggested it could be the Comcast router clogging things up. It's probably 4 years old and I'm not so sure it can handle what I'm throwing at it now. I hear what your saying about being plugged directly in, it's just not possible for my son to do. I shudder to think of the bandwidth nightmare awaiting all of us when the 4K thing goes full speed ahead. There's barely enough bandwidth now let alone for the 100 gig, hours long movie downloads that Sony is talking about for the Ps4.

suggest you run Speedtest Pro both on your wired PC and as an app on iPads: that way you can see exactly what is going on

I have some Panasonic IP cameras I tried to run wireless: it slowed the network down significantly: connected these wired and network speed jumped

edit: also suggest you install app called Fing that will show you detailed status of all your wireless devices
post #3660 of 11280
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

That is exactly why I went with a dual band gigabit router. Everyone is receiving a 95-100% signal from it. I'm thinking my neighbors are picking up my signal better than their own. The 8801 is plugged in directly via a cat 6 cable. I'm thinking like was suggested it could be the Comcast router clogging things up. It's probably 4 years old and I'm not so sure it can handle what I'm throwing at it now. I hear what your saying about being plugged directly in, it's just not possible for my son to do. I shudder to think of the bandwidth nightmare awaiting all of us when the 4K thing goes full speed ahead. There's barely enough bandwidth now let alone for the 100 gig, hours long movie downloads that Sony is talking about for the Ps4.

It's highly unlikely based on what you've described that any of the network devices you've detailed can't handle the bandwidth required, particularly for streaming audio. Something is either misconfigured or configured on conflict with another device/protocol on your network. The overarching issue is the expectation that no user knowledge is needed to get the best performance out of a wifi router. It "might" work perfectly in some situations, but configuring the firewall, DNS, etc. properly may be required for max performance.

The wifi router you upgraded to can operate at almost the same speed as a gigabit network provided the receiving device is capable of the protocol, so even 4K video should not be a problem.
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