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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

If I knew you 12 years ago then you might have got the invitation tongue.gif

I can best describe the difference between the Sunfire and Outlaw with the Salons as the Outlaw posses more speed and dynamics. The Outlaw maintains this dynamics when played loud. The Sunfire get loud and is powerful but some of the separation of the instruments is obscured. As if the sound was being compressed.

My current plans is to sell my 7500 and buy its big brother, the 7900 and Bi-amp.
Since the Outlaw amp modules are independent, even at ungodly levels, clipping the woofer amp will not clip the midrange/tweeter amp. So, there will be no audible clipping effects short of ear-bleeding and fire hazards.

That should tell you how much I like Outlaw amps.

- Rich



They sound like a great sounding amp. I haven't heard one person say they didn't like there's.
post #3992 of 5737
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

A small 12" HDMI display works well in this scenario.

I have a 7" DVD player that can be used as a monitor - will that work? It's only a composite video output though....
post #3993 of 5737
Nope ... HDMI only. D&M units no longer support GUI/OSD from other than HDMI output.
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^^ This is where the deremote app works well, you don't need a screen on all the time, your phone or tablet is the screen. It's actually much easier to control through it than the stock remote.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

^^ This is where the deremote app works well, you don't need a screen on all the time, your phone or tablet is the screen. It's actually much easier to control through it than the stock remote.

So by downloading the deremote app I can use it to run my audyssey calibration?
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post

So by downloading the deremote app I can use it to run my audyssey calibration?



That's one thing I don't think you can do. But you can control Audyssey afterwards with app.
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I just asked the developer that question, maybe I'm missing it on the app. There are a lot of settings available.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post


That's one thing I don't think you can do. But you can control Audyssey afterwards with app.

Thanks for posting all these screencaps! It seems great!
But, if I may, what exactly are the benefits of this app compared to Marantz own app? Is this one literally that much better and why, you think?
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Thanks for posting all these screencaps! It seems great!
But, if I may, what exactly are the benefits of this app compared to Marantz own app? Is this one literally that much better and why, you think?[/quote]



The Marantz app is very basic, not nearly as many settings available. I have that also and untill the last update a few days ago it wouldn't even find my 8801. So at least now it does. But it's set up weird IMO. This has many more settings available to control. The last screen shot was from my iPad, just so you know on iPhone the app, it does not go into landscape view. So you can only see and control one section or area at a time. But switches interfaces easily through the task bar menu.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/17/13 at 6:12am
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More settings. This should do it I don't want to take over the thread lol.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

The Marantz app is very basic, not nearly as many settings available. I have that also and untill the last update a few days ago it wouldn't even find my 8801. So at least now it does. But it's set up weird IMO. This has many more settings available to control. The last screen shot was from my iPad, just so you know on iPhone the app, it does not go into landscape view. So you can only see and control one section or area at a time. But switches interfaces easily through the task bar menu.

Sounds real good. Yeah, total control like this is what we want so shame on Marantz for limiting their own app to just the basics. This one looks nicer also. As soon as I finally get my AV8801 this seems the way to go for (near) total control. Esp if, as it seemed, I can tailor speaker level settings individually memorized per source input, that would be just brilliant. Thanks again for your efforts!
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Originally Posted by RickyDeg View Post

Sounds real good. Yeah, total control like this is what we want so shame on Marantz for limiting their own app to just the basics. This one looks nicer also. As soon as I finally get my AV8801 this seems the way to go for (near) total control. Esp if, as it seemed, I can tailor speaker level settings individually memorized per source input, that would be just brilliant. Thanks again for your efforts!



No problem, and good luck with your 8801, you have a lot to look forward too smile.gif
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post





More settings. This should do it I don't want to take over the thread lol.

This is great info.
Does this app have the ability to change the Lip-Sync, Video Mode and other HDMI output settings?

- Rich
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Rich I'm looking for those settings now but it appears there's more to this app than I previously thought.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

They sound like a great sounding amp. I haven't heard one person say they didn't like there's.

I talked to my brother tonight. He has a Masters in EE.
I did not know he knew that much about amps.

He felt it was entirely possible that the 7900 could have greater control at moderate listening levels. Mainly because the 7900 has 24 output devices will be working half as hard versus the 12 output devices on the 7700 at the same volume.

The feat is getting these devices properly matched and controls to be operating together, which is a testament to modern and amp technology.

Since my Salons dip the 3 ohms they can draw a lot of current in a short time. The transistors have a natural bias so it should be easier for the bigger amp with more output devices to provide that current quickly.

At least that is my non-EE take on what he was telling me.
Basically, he said, If I have the money, given my speakers, the bigger amp should be a benefit.

I am not sure that I will hear a difference, but at least I can stop obsessing about it and get on with my life smile.gif

- Rich
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I do not see the lip sync settings, but I'll be he would add it. Did you see the one post up above? The developer actually tailored his app special.
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post

My 8801 is coming Wednesday - getting ready for the install. As far as audyssey goes, I have a projector mounted right over the MLP. Will the fan noise ruin the calibation? Is it possible to run it using just the 8801's display, or is a monitor needed?

A monitor is not needed but helpful, especially if you are new to this.

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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I talked to my brother tonight. He has a Masters in EE.
I did not know he knew that much about amps.

He felt it was entirely possible that the 7900 could have greater control at moderate listening levels. Mainly because the 7900 has 24 output devices will be working half as hard versus the 12 output devices on the 7700 at the same volume.

The feat is getting these devices properly matched and controls to be operating together, which is a testament to modern and amp technology.

Since my Salons dip the 3 ohms they can draw a lot of current in a short time. The transistors have a natural bias so it should be easier for the bigger amp with more output devices to provide that current quickly.

At least that is my non-EE take on what he was telling me.
Basically, he said, If I have the money, given my speakers, the bigger amp should be a benefit.

I am not sure that I will hear a difference, but at least I can stop obsessing about it and get on with my life smile.gif

- Rich



It does sound intriguing for sure. Good luck with it. Also this is making me rethink things once again. Maybe what I have isn't a lack of power but a lack of control like the Outlaws do.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/17/13 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post





I do not see the lip sync settings, but I'll be he would add it. Did you see the one post up above? The developer actually tailored his app special.

It looks very good. Installing now.

Thanks,

Rich
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

A monitor is not needed but helpful, especially if you are new to this.

I guess I'll try it first with the projector on and see if I get any messages saying the ambient noise is too high. But here's where I'm confused: Does it either work or not, or is it possible Audyssey will do a "sub par" caibration if the noise was too high?
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post


I guess I'll try it first with the projector on and see if I get any messages saying the ambient noise is too high. But here's where I'm confused: Does it either work or not, or is it possible Audyssey will do a "sub par" caibration if the noise was too high?

It should not matter unless Audyssey flags a noise issue but I am somewhat compulsive about that and prefer to have the monitor off.  However, I do use the Pro kit most of the time, so the PC monitor tells me all I need to know and it is in the next room.


Edited by Kal Rubinson - 3/17/13 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

A small 12" HDMI display works well in this scenario.

Ideally, you want your primary and secondary displays to be the same resolution so that if both are on at the same time (in my case rare), they would both be showing the same resolution. Otherwise, I believe the AV8801 outputs the lowest resolution to both displays. I only needed a small secondary display but the smallest display that I found that supported 1080p was a 21". For a short time I had a larger secondary display connected but it had a grounded plug which introduced a ground loop hum since bit was plugged into another outlet as the AV8801.
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Figured I would have better luck posting this in here than in a new thread:

I have decided on my new Pre/Pro, a Marantz 8801. One of the main reasons I am looking at this receiver is for the awesome EQ.

Now my current setup is a Rotel 1570 and I do my sub calibration with a Velodyne SMS-1.

Once I pick up the 8801 is there any reason to keep the SMS-1?

I understand Aud32 is phenomenal for bass management, so this has me thinking I can sell my SMS-1, is this correct?
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Originally Posted by cofn42 View Post

Figured I would have better luck posting this in here than in a new thread:

I have decided on my new Pre/Pro, a Marantz 8801. One of the main reasons I am looking at this receiver is for the awesome EQ.

Now my current setup is a Rotel 1570 and I do my sub calibration with a Velodyne SMS-1.

Once I pick up the 8801 is there any reason to keep the SMS-1?

I understand Aud32 is phenomenal for bass management, so this has me thinking I can sell my SMS-1, is this correct?

I had a Pioneer SC27 and a SMS-1. I now use the Aud in the 8801. Works as well as the SMS-1 IMO. My sub is a HSU VTF15H.
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Originally Posted by cofn42 View Post

Figured I would have better luck posting this in here than in a new thread:

I have decided on my new Pre/Pro, a Marantz 8801. One of the main reasons I am looking at this receiver is for the awesome EQ.

Now my current setup is a Rotel 1570 and I do my sub calibration with a Velodyne SMS-1.

Once I pick up the 8801 is there any reason to keep the SMS-1?

I understand Aud32 is phenomenal for bass management, so this has me thinking I can sell my SMS-1, is this correct?

I think that would depend entirely on if you are pleased with the results of Audyssey in the 8801.

For me, Audyssey knocked off the response somewhere around 20hz. I'm going to eventually try to regain it with the SMS-1. It might be better to get Audyssey Pro but I'm not real keen on dropping another $500-600 to go that route.

Does anyone know how Audyssey 32 handles the bottom end of a subwoofer's frequency response?
Edited by JimP - 3/18/13 at 4:13am
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With my room Audyssey wasn't very good at all. It could not handle the acoustics in my room amd sent all my bass to my sub. Which it then had me turn down so low I practically had no bass. I would try your setup with both your SVS-1 and Audyssey to see which one you prefer. I'm not dogging Audyssey I'm just saying it isn't a fool proof way set things up in my limited experience.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/18/13 at 11:46am
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Is anybody else having Lip Sync issues with the 8801?

I was at the dealer, and the lip sync was pretty evident. They were playing Austin Powers on Blu-ray, then switched to Avatar which also had it but not as bad.
Lip Sync was turned off and on, but made little difference. The audio appears to lag behind the video. The AV8801 was HDMI connected directly to a Sony projector.
Not sure what model it was. Not everybody could see the issues, but 1 salesman and 1 other customer could. This really pushed me away from the unit, since
lip-sync is a big No Sale for me.

I am on the fence between this unit and the DHC-80.3. I went to this dealer thinking I was just going to get it but did not like what I saw. Is there a setting that could be off
or anything else I can try at the dealer before deciding?
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Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

Is anybody else having Lip Sync issues with the 8801?

I was at the dealer, and the lip sync was pretty evident. They were playing Austin Powers on Blu-ray, then switched to Avatar which also had it but not as bad.
Lip Sync was turned off and on, but made little difference. The audio appears to lag behind the video. The AV8801 was HDMI connected directly to a Sony projector.
Not sure what model it was. Not everybody could see the issues, but 1 salesman and 1 other customer could. This really pushed me away from the unit, since
lip-sync is a big No Sale for me.

I am on the fence between this unit and the DHC-80.3. I went to this dealer thinking I was just going to get it but did not like what I saw. Is there a setting that could be off
or anything else I can try at the dealer before deciding?

Suppose you are refering to the automatic Lip Sync feature? I find that feature seldom works. It has never worked 100% in any unit I've ever owned. You simply have to set the sync manually instead, with "Audio delay" (p 122 in the user manual) which is no big deal really. I've done this with the last bunch of receivers I've owned. You still leave the automatic Lip Sync feature activated, if I'm not mistaken.

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I think that would depend entirely on if you are pleased with the results of Audyssey in the 8801.

For me, Audyssey knocked off the response somewhere around 20hz. I'm going to eventually try to regain it with the SMS-1. It might be better to get Audyssey Pro but I'm not real keen on dropping another $500-600 to go that route.

Does anyone know how Audyssey 32 handles the bottom end of a subwoofer's frequency response?

I wish there were more options to adjust target curves that are described in this set-up guide... Without spending $600

http://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/
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