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post #4171 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Bill222 View Post

Bug?

When using the web interface, on the Audio screen, in the "Surround Parameter" section, it says "Home Theater EQ: OFF" and "Loudness Management: ON". It doesn't matter how many times I click the radio button to change "Loudness Management:" to OFF - the web interface always says it's on.

Just me?
I will check this out when I get home. Did you update to the firmware released last night? Maybe the OP will update with the changelog for this firmware.
post #4172 of 11305
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Amps:

Sunfire 7401
LabGruppen FP14k
Behringer epx4000
Crown XLS1500

Speakers: ALL DIY BABY!!!



Hi, so whatcha think of your Sunfire?
post #4173 of 11305
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Amps:

Sunfire 7401
LabGruppen FP14k
Behringer epx4000
Crown XLS1500

Speakers: ALL DIY BABY!!!



Hi, so whatcha think of your Sunfire?

Shoot, I thought no one would catch that....haha. I literally re-set my entire rack last night to optimize space, and by the time I got everything in, hooked up, and ready to rock, I literally almost fells asleep on my feet so I abstained from listening to more than two songs, but so far I LOVE the move. I will be able to talk much more after I give it a good break in and listening session biggrin.gif
post #4174 of 11305
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Shoot, I thought no one would catch that....haha. I literally re-set my entire rack last night to optimize space, and by the time I got everything in, hooked up, and ready to rock, I literally almost fells asleep on my feet so I abstained from listening to more than two songs, but so far I LOVE the move. I will be able to talk much more after I give it a good break in and listening session biggrin.gif



I caught that smile.gif Glad your liking it.
post #4175 of 11305
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

That was not meant for Kal and yes he is one of the few that doesn't take but many others do, when I read a review on how great that power cord sound I smile.

 

PEACE

Thanks but how do you know who is on the take, who is not  and who is self-deluded?  There are, undoubtedly, dishonest reviewers but unless someone comes forward with evidence, I do not think it is reasonable to presume that they are the majority.  

post #4176 of 11305
Kal, I don't trust anyone who has less than 30,000 posts.
post #4177 of 11305
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Kal, I don't trust anyone who has less than 30,000 posts.

Nice to hear from someone with precise standards and I hope to achieve your trust eventually.  


Edited by Kal Rubinson - 3/21/13 at 2:22pm
post #4178 of 11305
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Anyone else getting "connection failed" trying to update the firmware? I can receive Pandora on the unit so I know its not on my end. Perhaps Marantz's servers are down?



I got the same thing initially, but it went through on the second try. I had to put my siriusxm info back in other than that so far so good.
post #4179 of 11305
Yeah mine is finally working too. Many attempts earlier didn't work. Must have been down for a bit...who knows.... oh well.. waiting for it to finish. I heard this update enables the secret Lumagen scaler/CMS they put inside.
post #4180 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

New firmware is up. Damn, 43 minutes. ......

What does this new firmware fix?
post #4181 of 11305
I am still unable to update but will try again later

just a few hints I have learned with Denon/ Marantz wired ethernet firmware updates:

--save your settings to your pc
--disconnect any connection to RS232 port(s): they are shared with ethernet port
--Internet Explorer seems to work best: twice as fast as using FF (when using a browser)
--run wired ethernet direct to your router if possible so as to bypass switches/ connected devices
--disconnect any devices from 8801 ethernet ports
--run 8801 network diagnostics: you must have 3 OK's
--select 'start update' rather than' check for update' (if sure there is an update available)
-- wait until others have reported success before attempting updates: attempt firmware updates during off peak hours
post #4182 of 11305
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I am still unable to update but will try again later

just a few hints I have learned with Denon/ Marantz wired ethernet firmware updates:

--disconnect any connection to RS232 port(s): they are shared with ethernet port
--Internet Explorer seems to work best: twice as fast as using FF
--run wired ethernet direct to your router if possible so as to bypass switches/ connected devices
--disconnect any devices from 8801 ethernet ports
--select start update rather than check for update which seems to hang up frequently

What does the choice of browser have to do with this?  Isn't the connection through the router bypassing the computer (in most cases)?

post #4183 of 11305
^^^

to clarify: that applies only if you are using the PC interface for control
post #4184 of 11305
I did the update last night, it took approximately 43 min, one thing I did notice after the update while watching streaming Netflix from my 105 all connected by a power line adapter, the adapter lost its connection and had to be unplugged at the main one and re plugged to regain internet access, is it related to the update ? don't know ! but non the less odd and there seems to be a noisey little hum?
post #4185 of 11305
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

That was not meant for Kal and yes he is one of the few that doesn't take but many others do, when I read a review on how great that power cord sound I smile.

PEACE

Just out of curiosity. Have you ever tested power cords yourself to see if they make a difference? I personally use stock cords that come with the equipment I buy, but I'm going to be testing some power cords soon to see if I can see/hear any difference with them connected to my components.

Recently I tested an Audioquest HDMI cable versus and old Monoprice cable playing the exact same content. I had my son switch between inputs with me not knowing which cable was hooked to which input and it turns out that I chose the Audioquest cable every single time as the best sounding of the two. Frankly, I was shocked by it because I was convinced all HDMI cables should sound/look the same, but in my case that turned out not to be true.
post #4186 of 11305
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I did the update last night, it took approximately 43 min, one thing I did notice after the update while watching streaming Netflix from my 105 all connected by a power line adapter, the adapter lost its connection and had to be unplugged at the main one and re plugged to regain internet access, is it related to the update ? don't know ! but non the less odd and there seems to be a noisey little hum?

Hum gone after shutting it all down for 15 mins smile.gif
post #4187 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

Just out of curiosity. Have you ever tested power cords yourself to see if they make a difference? I personally use stock cords that come with the equipment I buy, but I'm going to be testing some power cords soon to see if I can see/hear any difference with them connected to my components.

Recently I tested an Audioquest HDMI cable versus and old Monoprice cable playing the exact same content. I had my son switch between inputs with me not knowing which cable was hooked to which input and it turns out that I chose the Audioquest cable every single time as the best sounding of the two. Frankly, I was shocked by it because I was convinced all HDMI cables should sound/look the same, but in my case that turned out not to be true.

I am surprised, but that was a good test.

Were you using standard cables or the new RedMere cables?
I switched RedMere and did not notice any difference, except my connectors are not strained and the Apple TV is no longer lifted into the air smile.gif

- Rich
post #4188 of 11305
I use Monster 300 power cords. Nice and thick! biggrin.gif
Plus since they are permanent it makes it much easier switching in and out components. I am a firm believer these are better for components than the stock/wimpy ones that come with them.
post #4189 of 11305
Are you sure you were picking the cables? Or were you picking the components? Or maybe the settings (adjustments - software controlled) for a particular HDMI input port?

HDMI is digital... The only issue I ever had with an HDMI cable was a too-tight connection that stressed the too-short cable. It turned out one end was partially pulled out. I would intermittently lose a part of the video signal - but just a small part, and only about once an hour.

Here's a related link on this web-site. I'm sure there are more. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1266464/my-personal-hdmi-shoot-out
Edited by Bill222 - 3/21/13 at 5:07pm
post #4190 of 11305
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I use Monster 300 power cords. Nice and thick! biggrin.gif
Plus since they are permanent it makes it much easier switching in and out components. I am a firm believer these are better for components than the stock/wimpy ones that come with them.

Have you seen the power cord on the Marantz?
It is a complete wussey:p

- Rich
post #4191 of 11305
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I am surprised, but that was a good test.

Were you using standard cables or the new RedMere cables?
I switched RedMere and did not notice any difference, except my connectors are not strained and the Apple TV is no longer lifted into the air smile.gif

- Rich

This was a standard HDMI cable from them. I actually use a RedMere to my projector (50 footer)..
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Originally Posted by Bill222 View Post

Are you sure you were picking the cables? Or were you picking the components? Or maybe the settings (adjustments - software controlled) for a particular HDMI input port?

HDMI is digital... The only issue I ever had with an HDMI cable was a too-tight connection that stressed the too-short cable. It turned out one end was partially pulled out. I would intermittently lose a part of the video signal - but just a small part, and only about once an hour.

I ran the test twice using an Oppo BDP-95 and Oppo BDP-103. After the first run through I switched the cables and then reran the test and came to the same conclusion. Like I said, I was shocked...the Audioquest cable had better imaging on the top end.
post #4192 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View PostJust out of curiosity. Have you ever tested power cords yourself to see if they make a difference?  
YES, No difference
Recently I tested an Audioquest HDMI cable versus and old Monoprice cable playing the exact same content. I had my son switch between inputs with me not knowing which cable was hooked to which input and it turns out that I chose the Audioquest cable every single time as the best sounding of the two. Frankly, I was shocked by it because I was convinced all HDMI cables should sound/look the same, but in my case that turned out not to be true.

I am happy for you more power to you,

 

I didn't see or hear any difference only have an SSP-800 and three 800Diamonds powered by Classé CA-M600 power amps and a JVC DL RS-35U calibrated using Oppo BDP-105 

 

My daughter believes in UNICORNES as well and let's not forget the tooth feries they are real  :)


Edited by wse - 3/21/13 at 5:25pm
post #4193 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

I ran the test twice using an Oppo BDP-95 and Oppo BDP-103. After the first run through I switched the cables and then reran the test and came to the same conclusion. Like I said, I was shocked...the Audioquest cable had better imaging on the top end.

What were you listening to? Blu-ray? SACD? How was the signal being sent across the HDMI wire? LPCM? Or Bitstream? My preference for a test for someone like you (someone how can hear the difference in "better imaging" - since I'm not sure what that sounds like. Seriously. I think I probably lost hearing at loud concerts in my youth... ) would be to try again on an Oppo-105 - and let the Oppo-105 do the decoding, so it's just sending multi-channel LPCM along the HDMI.

I want to ensure the wire is the only difference, and not a decoding setting. I have heard many differences between bitstream across HDMI and multi-channel LPCM across the very same HDMI - due to different decoding settings - and usually outright bugs - in various receivers.
post #4194 of 11305
After spending some time searching the web, here's the most interesting HDMI shootout article I've found so far. http://hdguru.com/all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same-or-are-they-full-test/4373/ One reason I like it is that it shows cables that both passed and failed - by testing at what I consider to be "extreme" lengths for an HDMI cable.

The downside is - like most HDMI articles I found - it is much more focused on video than sound.

Two things surprised me.

First off - how the same HDMI cable would "pass" on one or two import ports of a TV, but "fail" on a different input port - when that was the only difference. This clearly showed a difference in quality of HDMI receivers/input ports *on the same TV*. This is detailed in the first testing section that "failed" any cables.

The second surprise was that the author made a case for different audio quality being possible for LPCM signals, primarily due to "jitter". Usually I think "snake-oil" as soon as I hear the word "jitter" brought up in an audiophile conversation. But maybe I just don't have the hearing to notice "jitter" in audio signals. I'm willing to accept that differences caused by something called "jitter" might actually be heard by various people. I just doubt I'm one of them.
post #4195 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

marantz has not been releasing them on their website. You need to have the unit connected online.

Damn! i have no connection set up yet. I haven't figured out the best solution since I cannot run cat 5 cable directly.
post #4196 of 11305
Given that firmware updates are fairly rare - I have a perfect short-term solution for problems like this.

Buy a long ethernet cable (50 foot, or 100 foot, or whatever you need). And simply string it from your nearest physical ethernet connection directly to your Marantz. Just let the cable drape over the middle of the floor, the couch, the dining room table, whatever. Then - after the firmware update is done - remove the cable, bundle it back up, and put it back in the storage closest where it belongs.

I've actually done this a number of times when needing a "temporary" internet connection in a location in the house that just didn't want to play well with my wireless network or whatever the problem was.

Alternatively I guess you could always physically move the Marantz next to an ethernet hub - just for the amount of time it takes to do the update. You don't need an attached monitor to perform the update. The display window on the front of the Marantz gives you all the details you need to step through the firmware update. I just think "really long ethernet cable" is a simpler stop-gap measure.
post #4197 of 11305
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Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

I can tell you right now that I would agree with you. Utilizing analog inputs on my Arcam AV8 was probably better than using HDMI on my AV888. I think this is where the upgrade from the The Upgrade Company is so effective. It's made HDMI sound actually better than going the analog inputs route. And, the improved picture is awesome too. It's nice to be able to use HDMI and not have all of the cables. It's also allowed me to buy a better HDMI cable and put some money there, rather than the 7-8 analog cables. Plus, with improved hdmi performance, my Dish Network Hopper looks and sounds great coming through my SE Onkyo 5508.


Dave

This sounds pretty cool. How do the modded versions handle the pushed Marantz updates?
post #4198 of 11305
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I am surprised, but that was a good test.

Were you using standard cables or the new RedMere cables?
I switched RedMere and did not notice any difference, except my connectors are not strained and the Apple TV is no longer lifted into the air smile.gif

- Rich

I noticed a nice difference with the Redmere slim's on Video from both the 105 to my Mitsubishi 73738 dlp and from the cable box as well , I thought they where so good I got two more for a new LG led for the bed room and again nice difference from the high speed Mono price cable. I use a Pangea with 4% sivlver and POCC, I did try using the Redmere for audio but they where not as full and warm (analog) sounding as the Pangea for audio, all testing was done with both LPCM and Bitstream, I plan on trying an Audioquest carbon for audio to see if its better than the Pangea as I now know for my self that its a complete Myth that all hdmi cables are the same rolleyes.gif
post #4199 of 11305
Not sure if its been answered but does anyone know what issues / features the new update does? I did it by the way with no issues.

Thanks
post #4200 of 11305
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

Just out of curiosity. Have you ever tested power cords yourself to see if they make a difference? I personally use stock cords that come with the equipment I buy, but I'm going to be testing some power cords soon to see if I can see/hear any difference with them connected to my components.

Recently I tested an Audioquest HDMI cable versus and old Monoprice cable playing the exact same content. I had my son switch between inputs with me not knowing which cable was hooked to which input and it turns out that I chose the Audioquest cable every single time as the best sounding of the two. Frankly, I was shocked by it because I was convinced all HDMI cables should sound/look the same, but in my case that turned out not to be true.

Which model audio quest cable did you use?
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