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post #4291 of 11290
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I did not mean to help pile on with my posts. Sometimes this just happens. I will be loaning him a nice Onkyo while his 8801 is down. I have tried everything I can think of as well as a few suggestions from others. This 8801 is locked up and refuses to come out of this coma. It happens I guess.

I think its time to pull the plug frown.gif

- Rich
post #4292 of 11290
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Indeed. It can be like a crapshoot sometimes.

Any advice on getting it out of update mode?

Have you unplugged the cable from the router and then powered on? Also try a network reset (Pure Direct/UP arrow).
post #4293 of 11290
Firmware changelog information for recent update .... (also to be posted in post #1) ....

1) The product corresponded to Gapless Playback from Mobile App.
2) When Pandora is played, the display of the icon becomes the Internet radio by specific music.
3) When the HDMI output is a dual output and the device connected with HDMI OUT1 is made a standby, the image of HDMI OUT2 is not output.
4) The Picture View setting cannot be stored.
5) AirPlay cannot be executed while executing SlideShow.
6) AirPlay cannot be executed from Function other than Network.
post #4294 of 11290
I understand the practicality of firmware updates via the direct internet connection, but I've always found those a risk. You'll do much better sticking with firmware update files downloaded to a USB and doing it that way. No question.
post #4295 of 11290
USB Firmware Updates – North American Marantz 8801 units only

If you are having difficulty loading the latest firmware to your 8801, please PM me with "8801" in the subject line after reading and agreeing with the disclaimer noted below and I will provide the update file. This service is no longer available.

Disclaimer:
This firmware is for use with North American Marantz 8801 units only. Feel free to use it under the condition that it not be forwarded to other individuals and is for your personal use only. It is provided with the understanding that you will “use it at your own risk” and it comes without any implied warranty from D&M. You agree that D&M will not be held responsible for any damages to your unit resulting from the inappropriate use of this firmware or from updating the unit in an improper way. As this update being provided to you is not supported by D&M, should you have any installation issues, please do not call Marantz customer service for support as they will be unable to assist you.

After downloading and unzipping the provided .zip file, you will find a “firmwares” folder and a Word document which provides instructions on how to install the firmware update. The “firmwares” folder must be moved to an “empty” FAT16/FAT32 formatted 2GB (or larger) USB memory stick. Note that should you have any issues with the update, you may have to reset the unit’s microprocessor after doing the update so prior to installing the update, be sure to copy the unit’s on board configuration file to a PC using the Web Control SAVE feature.

Also review the following post on the SAVE/LOAD procedure ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/28/13 at 11:33am
post #4296 of 11290
This is our last hope. Only thing is hopefully I don't have to tell it usb since we can't get in it. Fingers crossed it just takes it!
post #4297 of 11290
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

It has everything to do with, or else why did so many high end speaker companies stop making separate binding posts to bi amp? One answer, because people were messing up the "the sound" of their speaker, the one thing that sets them apart from others. That's why IMO my Revel's sounded no different when bi amped, I think they are made that way. I bi amped with my Sunfire 7 channel amp. But it makes no difference, it's an identical amp powering the woofers and an identical amp powering the mids and highs. Hey if it makes people feel good then go ahead but there's nothing to gain, unless you bypass the internal crossovers and go external. It's not just my opinion it's shared by many in the audio world. I should of just said dude it's a gimmick wink.gif if you think your internal crossovers aren't limiting you when bi amping then check out what I state. Have you ever read a serious review where the reviewer says I have speaker X bi amped with certain amps? Nope and there's a reason.

Here is the review of my Von Schweikert VR-4Jr speakers including bi-amp results:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1204/vonschweikertvr4jr.htm

Personally, I don't expect improvement in sound quality except for extreme loud music passages where the bass frequencies intermod product may mix with mid/high frequencies and impact higher frequency clarity. With well matched preamp/-amp synergy you should not hear an improvement. As in your case, I had bad results (lack of dynamics and compressed soundstage) due to bad synergy between Ayre 2-channel preamp and my Gemstone amp.

FYI, Based on the crossover power distribution calculations, 50% of the available power will be lost in the frequencies above 350Hz due to conversion loss and 1/2 power power loss for every frequency decade increase. So, if you have a 100W amp, you bass section will only see 50W. That's the reason why bi-amping may prevent your speaker from clipping.

I would stay away from aftermarket crossovers, unless you feel you have understanding of speaker design such as Xmax and other parameters. This is a sure way to make your speakers sound like crap... Note, I'm not talking about the electronic crossover in your AV8801 but the crossover between your bass and midrange drivers in your speaker.
post #4298 of 11290
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

IMO the 8801 needs to be rebooted occasionally. I found that unplugging it for 30 seconds while it's turned on and plugging it back in greatly improves it's response time for settings and updates. I've had zero incidents others have reported. After all it is a computer.

Yep try unplugging it for at least 10 min may indeed solve the problem, and try it several times if needed its like a computer reboot that takes a few restarts!

good luck smile.gif
post #4299 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

In some cases, when having difficulty with a firmware update, it is indeed best to wait for a few days after the initial release as the D&M servers can be overloaded in the first few days.

Greetings,

I updated my 8801 yesterday afternoon around 12:30 pm. It took approxmiately 70 minutes and the last phase kept going back and forth between 3 minutes left and 1 minute left. I feel for those that have run into serious issues and agree with the above advice regarding letting some time go by after initial release.

Best of luck to those having problems.


Regards,
post #4300 of 11290
Thanks Ralph and Audiofan. smile.gif
post #4301 of 11290
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

I updated my 8801 yesterday afternoon around 12:30 pm. It took approxmiately 70 minutes and the last phase kept going back and forth between 3 minutes left and 1 minute left. I feel for those that have run into serious issues and agree with the above advice regarding letting some time go by after initial release.

Best of luck to those having problems.


Regards,

Same here.... Upgrade successful. Just not sure why it has to take so long but ok!
post #4302 of 11290
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post


FYI, Based on the crossover power distribution calculations, 50% of the available power will be lost in the frequencies above 350Hz due to conversion loss and 1/2 power power loss for every frequency decade increase. So, if you have a 100W amp, you bass section will only see 50W. That's the reason why bi-amping may prevent your speaker from clipping.

While I don't necessarily agree with your description of what happens I know what you're trying to say. The same thing happens in this regard when you biamp so, no, it doesn't help avoid clipping.
post #4303 of 11290
My 8801 is in the constant sleep mode also. I have updated my 8801 using my Comcast connection to my Motorola cable modem and Linksys wireless/router twice with good results prior to this. I've tried pretty much everything I can think of to get it out of sleep mode. I've tried the Power/back/enter option. No difference. I've tried Power/game/sleep reset option. No difference. I've unplugged my power cable several times. Last night I unplugged it overnight. No difference. I've plugged straight to my modem to bypass the Linksys. No difference. It will upload to 14% and then reset to a 43min and search mode. I guess I'll have to contact Marantz next week and see what I can get from them.

If anyone has any good advice at this point I would be grateful....Please no hind sight information.
post #4304 of 11290
finally got the 43 minute update

seems all my Denon/ Maranz firmware updates have been problematic

glad to see jdsmoothie offer an alternative: this is the way all the early OPPO beta firmware was made available: to me more reliable than a network only solution (and glad to see the 8801 eliminated wireless which is more problematic)
post #4305 of 11290
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post


Greetings,

I updated my 8801 yesterday afternoon around 12:30 pm. It took approxmiately 70 minutes and the last phase kept going back and forth between 3 minutes left and 1 minute left.

I had the same experience yesterday.

post #4306 of 11290
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post

Here is the review of my Von Schweikert VR-4Jr speakers including bi-amp results:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1204/vonschweikertvr4jr.htm

Personally, I don't expect improvement in sound quality except for extreme loud music passages where the bass frequencies intermod product may mix with mid/high frequencies and impact higher frequency clarity. With well matched preamp/-amp synergy you should not hear an improvement. As in your case, I had bad results (lack of dynamics and compressed soundstage) due to bad synergy between Ayre 2-channel preamp and my Gemstone amp.

FYI, Based on the crossover power distribution calculations, 50% of the available power will be lost in the frequencies above 350Hz due to conversion loss and 1/2 power power loss for every frequency decade increase. So, if you have a 100W amp, you bass section will only see 50W. That's the reason why bi-amping may prevent your speaker from clipping.

I would stay away from aftermarket crossovers, unless you feel you have understanding of speaker design such as Xmax and other parameters. This is a sure way to make your speakers sound like crap... Note, I'm not talking about the electronic crossover in your AV8801 but the crossover between your bass and midrange drivers in your speaker.


I trust a speaker review that says... For optimal performance you gotta fill it with 60 lbs. of lead shot. Well yeah ya gotta bi amp them to break through the toxins tongue.gif

FYI, speakers clip due to distortion. If my speakers are clipping I need to rethink my amplifier situation or turn the big knob on the right down. Seriously though post your results or PM me with them, if there is something to learn I'm open to it, thanks smile.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 3/23/13 at 10:36pm
post #4307 of 11290
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Originally Posted by Darrel McBane View Post

My 8801 is in the constant sleep mode also. I have updated my 8801 using my Comcast connection to my Motorola cable modem and Linksys wireless/router twice with good results prior to this. I've tried pretty much everything I can think of to get it out of sleep mode. I've tried the Power/back/enter option. No difference. I've tried Power/game/sleep reset option. No difference. I've unplugged my power cable several times. Last night I unplugged it overnight. No difference. I've plugged straight to my modem to bypass the Linksys. No difference. It will upload to 14% and then reset to a 43min and search mode. I guess I'll have to contact Marantz next week and see what I can get from them.

If anyone has any good advice at this point I would be grateful....Please no hind sight information.

Same boat we are in. His (my friend's) has been doing that since Thursday evening. He is sick of seeing 14% by now! eek.gif

Unplugged and praying...
post #4308 of 11290
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Originally Posted by randman View Post

I use Clark Tactile Transducers. I have a splitter to split the subwoofer output from my AV8801 into 2 signals, one going to my sub and the other to my transducers' amp. My sub does not have XLR input so I did not check if XLR and RCA sub outs work simultaneously. Probably. If not I suppose you can do it like I did for one of your subs. I turn off my transducer amp when running audyssey EQ.

Thanks for your reply.smile.gif
post #4309 of 11290
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Originally Posted by Bill222 View Post

I think all of the other receivers (Denon, Pioneer Elite) and the one pre/pro (Integra) I had before the AV8801 were THX certified. And now that I have the 8801, I'm much happier with the sound.
Yes. I'm currently running XLR to my amps for some channels and RCA for the others. So both sets of outputs are live at the same time.
Search this thread for "Status command". There's a "Status" command you can send the AV8801 using an IR remote. You can teach it to programmable remotes. Unfortunately, the "Status" command is NOT included on the remote that comes with the AV8801. The "info" button they provide is much less informative. The "Status" command provides 7 pages of info - and the type of audio input - including channel count - is included on page 1.

That's good to know that this pre/pro sounds really good, even though it's not THX certified.smile.gif

And that's great that both XLR's and RCA's are active simultaneously.

Thanks for your reply.wink.gif
post #4310 of 11290
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

It can do either.  You can choose what you prefer to see and I agree with you as I prefer to see the input.  I can control the output.

Excellent! Thanks Kal.wink.gif
post #4311 of 11290
Now another question I'm hoping you all can help me with. Right now I am having a serious issue with audio being out of sync on 3D Blu-ray's. I have an Oppo BDP-103 connected to my new TV (LG 84LM9600 4K) using HDMI 1 out (for video), and HDMI 2 out (for audio) to a Denon AVP-A1HDCI. 2D Blu-ray's are in sync (at least the ones I've tried thus far), but 3D Blu-ray's are out of sync. I have tried every connection method I can think of, all to no avail. Someone on another thread mentioned that the TV may need an audio return channel to sync the 3D Blu-ray's audio to the TV's picture.

My current pre/pro is not HDMI ver. 1.4, so it has no ARC. If I were to get this Marantz 8801, by going all sources HDMI to this pre/pro, and then HDMI out to the TV, should this solve the out of sync audio, being that the TV can communicate to the 8801 via HDMI?



Seth
post #4312 of 11290
Is there anyone here that can speak of the upgrade co AV8801 mod? The cost sure is right. Is it worth transferring warranty?
post #4313 of 11290
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Originally Posted by dahlgren View Post

Is there anyone here that can speak of the upgrade co AV8801 mod? The cost sure is right. Is it worth transferring warranty?
too many negative reviews and posts about that company to even consider trusting anything they claim.
post #4314 of 11290
I think their upgrade would be a downgrade. If I believed the "stock" 8801 was as bad as they make it sound, I never would have bought it.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/24/13 at 3:21am
post #4315 of 11290
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Now another question I'm hoping you all can help me with. Right now I am having a serious issue with audio being out of sync on 3D Blu-ray's. I have an Oppo BDP-103 connected to my new TV (LG 84LM9600 4K) using HDMI 1 out (for video), and HDMI 2 out (for audio) to a Denon AVP-A1HDCI. 2D Blu-ray's are in sync (at least the ones I've tried thus far), but 3D Blu-ray's are out of sync. I have tried every connection method I can think of, all to no avail. Someone on another thread mentioned that the TV may need an audio return channel to sync the 3D Blu-ray's audio to the TV's picture.

My current pre/pro is not HDMI ver. 1.4, so it has no ARC. If I were to get this Marantz 8801, by going all sources HDMI to this pre/pro, and then HDMI out to the TV, should this solve the out of sync audio, being that the TV can communicate to the 8801 via HDMI?

Seth

With HDMI there is never any guarantee that there will not be an audio or video related issue as it depends on all components in the HDMI chain. At the very least ensure the firmware on both devices is up to date and looking at the LG website, looks like there was a firmware release for your TV on Friday 3/22. Also note that HDMI(ARC) can generally only pass PCM 2.0 so check the LG Owner's manual to confirm the capability of your TV. You may also want to try making an optical cable connection from the Oppo to the AVP as the higher bitrate DD/DTS audio on BDs will be very comparable (and in the majority of cases indistinguishable) from the HD audio tracks over HDMI.
post #4316 of 11290
I am getting my av8801.... i do not have internet. i have never updated my Sony projector vpl-vw60... never updated my pioneer elite 92 txh... i have only accepted updates via blue rays for my play station..... i have never ever had a handshake issue via hdmi. i don't do pandora or netflix or anyother wifi enabled "thing"

maybe its because i do not do the internet enabled extras, that i have not had an issue

i do not plan to update the marantz either... short of some "fix" that has to be done

Bill
post #4317 of 11290
I am thinking about doing the 2 sub home theater with the av8801.

currently have an old paradigm servo 15A... i am having a hard time finding a second one.

there is a older velodyne hgs 15, for sale around here....

how do you think they would match up?

thanks,
Bill
post #4318 of 11290
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Now another question I'm hoping you all can help me with. Right now I am having a serious issue with audio being out of sync on 3D Blu-ray's. I have an Oppo BDP-103 connected to my new TV (LG 84LM9600 4K) using HDMI 1 out (for video), and HDMI 2 out (for audio) to a Denon AVP-A1HDCI. 2D Blu-ray's are in sync (at least the ones I've tried thus far), but 3D Blu-ray's are out of sync. I have tried every connection method I can think of, all to no avail. Someone on another thread mentioned that the TV may need an audio return channel to sync the 3D Blu-ray's audio to the TV's picture.

My current pre/pro is not HDMI ver. 1.4, so it has no ARC. If I were to get this Marantz 8801, by going all sources HDMI to this pre/pro, and then HDMI out to the TV, should this solve the out of sync audio, being that the TV can communicate to the 8801 via HDMI?



Seth

Seth, I have my AV8001 in our family room connected to a LG 55LM9600. Not quite your setup, but I've never had lip sync issues. Don't run too many 3D movies on that setup (mostly in our HT which has my AVP/POA setup), but have an older Oppo 93 connected to it. What would you like me to test? SJ
post #4319 of 11290
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

I am getting my av8801.... i do not have internet. i have never updated my Sony projector vpl-vw60... never updated my pioneer elite 92 txh... i have only accepted updates via blue rays for my play station..... i have never ever had a handshake issue via hdmi. i don't do pandora or netflix or anyother wifi enabled "thing"

maybe its because i do not do the internet enabled extras, that i have not had an issue

i do not plan to update the marantz either... short of some "fix" that has to be done

Bill

How are you posting here without Internet?

Your approach makes sense.
I can never resist them because:

1) There might be other fixes that are good to have that are not listed
2) It's fun.

- Rich
post #4320 of 11290
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

I am getting my av8801.... i do not have internet. 

How did you get here?

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