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post #601 of 11327
If you could only do, in addition to 7.1, either front wides or front highs, which would be better?
post #602 of 11327
This is a personal preference issue. Audyssey says the priority should be wides, heights, rears in that order. Wides are likely to provide the best surround envelopment, although few have the room or the WAF credits to make it happen. You may want to try posting in the 4311/A100 thread as you'll get some opinions from owners who have tried it both ways. Also try the Audyssey thread as well.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/1/12 at 7:13am
post #603 of 11327
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If you could only do, in addition to 7.1, either front wides or front highs, which would be better?

I've spoken with Audyssey and Dolby and DTS about this pretty extensively -- and have heights and backs in my setup -- and Audyssey and DTS are both pretty emphatic about widths having the most impact to the sound. However, placing them correctly -- not just wider than the front left and right but on an arc which actually puts them wider and out into the room -- makes them virtually impossible to place in a non-dedicated room. (In my room one channel would sit on top of a pool table and the other on my front door.) Having lived with height and backs for a while, I would say that I notice much more impact from the height channels. It makes the front soundstage seem MUCH bigger. You don't notice it so much when it is on but rather when you turn it off the front wall seems to collapse. Surround back seems to add some rear ambience and those occasional moments of discrete rear channel activity. Obviously, both is the best way to go, but if you could only do one or the other -- as I had to choose with the AV7005 -- then I opted for height. My height channels are about 6 1/2 feet above my main channels and about 3-4 feet outside of them...

John
post #604 of 11327
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

From D&M -

Thanks for posting this! I noticed this yesterday when I tried to log-in to Pandora on the 8801 and then spent about an hour resetting passwords and trying to log-in over and over and just thought it was some glitch with the 8801 I was experiencing!
John
post #605 of 11327
Thanks for the updates on this new Pre/Pro from Marantz John. I'm looking to replace my Aragon Stage One. And this may be the unit for me.

John, Have you noticed any popping or clicking when changing from one input to another? Any issues so far on changing from one HDMI to another? How long does it take for a signal to lock on to the new input?

Any other comment on the unit would be of great help.

Darrel
post #606 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Darrel McBane View Post

Thanks for the updates on this new Pre/Pro from Marantz John. I'm looking to replace my Aragon Stage One. And this may be the unit for me.
John, Have you noticed any popping or clicking when changing from one input to another? Any issues so far on changing from one HDMI to another? How long does it take for a signal to lock on to the new input?
Any other comment on the unit would be of great help.
Darrel

I haven't noticed any clicking/popping. And no issues when switching HDMI. (I have a Kaleidescape and DISH Hopper connected as well as the HDMI output from my Control4 system.) I haven't really paid attention on how fast it switches... I'll check that later and let you know. The InstaPreview feature is interesting, but not really useful for me. (I'm not an input hopper and don't really have two sources that would need monitoring.)

I'm incredibly pleased with the unit. Sonically I have no qualms. I'd love to be able to compare it side-by-side with the PS Audio PerfectWave DAC which is the finest sounding DAC I've ever had in my home. But, it is a huge step up over the 7005 and I think I prefer DTS Neo:X implementation of added channels (surround back & height) over the Audyssey DSX version. It seems to leave the front L/C/R more neutral sounding. Audyssey XT32 is a huge improvement, and the system clearly sounds better in Stereo (w/XT32) than Pure Direct (where it is disengaged).

John
post #607 of 11327
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If you could only do, in addition to 7.1, either front wides or front highs, which would be better?

Wides, wides, wides, wides..... Did I mention I prefer wides. Heights are only mildly additive. Nice yes, but the increase in the entire immersive movie sound experience takes a big jump with wides. One note though,, I have no idea how this answer would work with Neo-X. I don't have that on my trusty 4311.
Edited by SeattleHTGuy - 12/1/12 at 10:16am
post #608 of 11327
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If you could only do, in addition to 7.1, either front wides or front highs, which would be better?

Wides help, but the placement is sometimes not feasible, height do a different but also significant role, and if you tried Band of Brothers Episode two, when the grenade is lobbed overhead, you can actually trace it going from back (using rear back speakers) over the head to the front.
post #609 of 11327
Thanks for the quick update John. The information is very informative.

I'm using a PS Audio DLIII Dac from my SilverStone HTPC via USB and JRiver MC18 at this time. I'm wondering if the Marantz may be good enough to allow me to pull the PS Audio out of my system?

Darrel
post #610 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Darrel McBane View Post

Thanks for the quick update John. The information is very informative.
I'm using a PS Audio DLIII Dac from my SilverStone HTPC via USB and JRiver MC18 at this time. I'm wondering if the Marantz may be good enough to allow me to pull the PS Audio out of my system?
Darrel

Well, I had the PerfectWave DAC for +/- a month and it was like sonic magic. But, that was on the 7005. I would really need them side-by-side to accurately say which is definitively better. There is no Asynchronous USB DAC in the 8801...you can't connect a computer directly to the USB ports... (In fact, it has to be a FAT formatted drive; my 4 TB NTFS drive doesn't work.) I also have JRiver and love it, but I've found that WiFi streaming of high res (192/24) files is choppy so I do the majority of high-res listening by a connected drive..
John
post #611 of 11327
If space permits, Wides are a really nice addition, though I'm looking to replace my 80.3 with the 8801 to get heights as well. I don't think I can do wide perfectly, but I'm fairly close (see my sig link if you want to get a sense of the layout)

I generally prefer the Neo:x over Audyssey DSX though...
post #612 of 11327
I would hook up the HTPC using the HDMI to the 8801, And analog out from the DAC. And compare the two.

Thanks again.

Darrel
post #613 of 11327
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Originally Posted by nismo604 View Post

I'm fairly certain that the 80.3 doesn't do 11.2, none of the 2011 Integra/Onkyo models do. You have to get a 2012 model. While Onkyo has the 5010 available this year for some reason the top model for Integra this year will be the 70.4, which is equivalent to the Onkyo TX-NR3010.

I have a 80.3, it only does 9.2 which is why I can hardly wait for my 8801 to arrive. 11.2 at long last!!!!!
post #614 of 11327
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Originally Posted by sciacca View Post

I've spoken with Audyssey and Dolby and DTS about this pretty extensively -- and have heights and backs in my setup -- and Audyssey and DTS are both pretty emphatic about widths having the most impact to the sound. However, placing them correctly -- not just wider than the front left and right but on an arc which actually puts them wider and out into the room -- makes them virtually impossible to place in a non-dedicated room. (In my room one channel would sit on top of a pool table and the other on my front door.) Having lived with height and backs for a while, I would say that I notice much more impact from the height channels. It makes the front soundstage seem MUCH bigger. You don't notice it so much when it is on but rather when you turn it off the front wall seems to collapse. Surround back seems to add some rear ambience and those occasional moments of discrete rear channel activity. Obviously, both is the best way to go, but if you could only do one or the other -- as I had to choose with the AV7005 -- then I opted for height. My height channels are about 6 1/2 feet above my main channels and about 3-4 feet outside of them...
John

I have highs and wides but can only listen to one or the other. I much prefer the highs over the wides. I have surrounds and back surrounds too. I think it all depends on your room and where you place your speakers. I have found that the suggested method is just a starting point for me.

Nevertheless I can hardly wait for my 8801 so I can play all 11.2 speakers at the same time.

Transformers is going to sound even more awesome then!!!!
post #615 of 11327
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If you could only do, in addition to 7.1, either front wides or front highs, which would be better?

In my room it is the highs.

Depending on your room and where you can put the speakers will be the determining factor.

Experiment a bit and let your ears decide.

Happy listening!!
post #616 of 11327
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Originally Posted by bubbawilly View Post

Where is it recommended to place the height channels?

You place them where they sound best in your room.

In my room it is in the far right and left corners against the ceiling pointed towards the sweet spot.

What an awesome sound stage!!!
post #617 of 11327
So..not sure where to post this but since we are on the topic...... What types of speakers are you guys using for your "heights". Are they actually in ceiling speakers or are they smaller conventional speakers mounted on brackets? Or mounted on very high on stands...etc etc etc. It would be interesting to see what people are using....what do they have as mains and what are you using for the heights and and wide channels...I know we have to compromise a bit but curious.

I currently run a 7.1 using Paradigms Signatures...I using the ADPs for my side channels and S4s for the rears. I know they make in ceiling speakers and may opt for a pair for my height channels.

Thanks
post #618 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Rosano View Post

So..not sure where to post this but since we are on the topic...... What types of speakers are you guys using for your "heights". Are they actually in ceiling speakers or are they smaller conventional speakers mounted on brackets? Or mounted on very high on stands...etc etc etc. It would be interesting to see what people are using....what do they have as mains and what are you using for the heights and and wide channels...I know we have to compromise a bit but curious.
I currently run a 7.1 using Paradigms Signatures...I using the ADPs for my side channels and S4s for the rears. I know they make in ceiling speakers and may opt for a pair for my height channels.
Thanks

I am using B&W M1s, small, good looking, inconspicuous, and put out an awful lot of awesome sound. Perfect match for my Monitor Audio PL200s.
post #619 of 11327
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rosano View Post

So..not sure where to post this but since we are on the topic...... What types of speakers are you guys using for your "heights". Are they actually in ceiling speakers or are they smaller conventional speakers mounted on brackets? Or mounted on very high on stands...etc etc etc. It would be interesting to see what people are using....what do they have as mains and what are you using for the heights and and wide channels...I know we have to compromise a bit but curious.
I currently run a 7.1 using Paradigms Signatures...I using the ADPs for my side channels and S4s for the rears. I know they make in ceiling speakers and may opt for a pair for my height channels.
Thanks

I am using the Kef T101s. They fit flush against the wall and even though they don't timbre match my other Kef speakers (Kef Ref 4 mains, Ref 2 sides, PSW4000x2 SubsQ10 rears and Ref 204/2 center) I felt it was comfortable staying with Kef.

Currently I am using 7.1, so the T101s (although already mounted) are note being used. I'm still considering getting another pair for widths, but I think my room might be to small for width (and that would mean purchasing another Parasound Halo amp. I will be using two A23 to power my rears and heights. The A51 is taking care of the other channels).
post #620 of 11327
I use monitor audio radius HD 90 for wide and heights.
post #621 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Rosano View Post

So..not sure where to post this but since we are on the topic...... What types of speakers are you guys using for your "heights". Are they actually in ceiling speakers or are they smaller conventional speakers mounted on brackets? Or mounted on very high on stands...etc etc etc. It would be interesting to see what people are using....what do they have as mains and what are you using for the heights and and wide channels...I know we have to compromise a bit but curious.
I currently run a 7.1 using Paradigms Signatures...I using the ADPs for my side channels and S4s for the rears. I know they make in ceiling speakers and may opt for a pair for my height channels.
Thanks

I use B&W ccm816's for heights. They were fairly spendy but also incredibly well made, beefy little in ceiling buggers. For wides, my trusty old N805's with all B&W everywhere else. Other than coveting thrangs L/R center; it's all good.
post #622 of 11327
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Originally Posted by Darrel McBane View Post

Any issues so far on changing from one HDMI to another? How long does it take for a signal to lock on to the new input?

Darrel

No issues. Takes about 3 seconds from button press until image on the screen when switching inputs...
John
post #623 of 11327
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

Nevertheless I can hardly wait for my 8801 so I can play all 11.2 speakers at the same time.
Transformers is going to sound even more awesome then!!!!

I have been using the (by now ancient) Denon 4810s with DSX processing and Transformers 2 - the IMAX battle scenes are amazing with DSX 11.2

When Sam is hiding and the camera is locked on him, while Megatron is circling him looking for him, the sound pans beautifully across the front to the wides to the surround channels

ps I don't think you need to put the wides on the left and right of the front speakers per se, but you do need to keep to the angles needed. To me, it looks like the front LR and wides are mirror images of the surround back and surround speakers where the listening position is the mirror.
post #624 of 11327
So how long after reviewers get units does Marantz typically start shipping to consumers?

Any word on when they will actually start shipping?
post #625 of 11327
The only way I could do wides in my room is to mount them on the ceiling and I'm guessing that's a big no no. I have a pool table on one sides and window doors on the other. frown.gif
post #626 of 11327
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Originally Posted by sciacca View Post

Well, as the ONLY person that actually HAS an 8801 installed in their home right now :-) I can say I watched my first film on it last night along with some TV viewing and here's my thoughts...
Processing definitely sounds more detailed than the AV7005. Sounds seem more discrete and localizable and more focused. We watched Survivor -- I'll pause while everyone laughs -- a show I've seen literally every episode of and it sounded like an entirely different audio mix. All of the ambient sounds were far more present.
I also think the Audyssey XT32 does a far better job of timber matching on the front channels. I used to notice a real change in vocal tonality as voices would move from center to left/right, but voices now sound far more cohesive on the front channels.
We also watched Brave on Blu-ray in 7.1 Dolby TrueHD with Audyssey DSX for Height. Incredibly immersive sound and the first time I've been able to actually hear all 9 channels in my home. On the 7005 I had opted for the front height over the surround back, and it was immediately apparent how much more immersive the sound is with ALL channels working. (For some reason Audyssey Dynamic Volume defaulted to Medium, which I didn't discover until about 20 minutes into the movie; The sound felt thin and off -- that compression KILLS the dynamic range -- and the sound was IMMEDIATELY better when I started hunting through menus and found it and cut it off.)
For my ears, room, system, the 8801 is definitely a noticeably, BIG step up over the 7005. Whether it fully justifies the $2000 price premium over the lower model will depend on your system and budget, but for me, I wouldn't want to go back.
John

Thanks for the review.

In your system, do you externally equalize the subwoofer or do you allow XT32 to handle that? Have you run REW to see how well Audyssey is working?
post #627 of 11327
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Originally Posted by sciacca View Post

(For some reason Audyssey Dynamic Volume defaulted to Medium, which I didn't discover until about 20 minutes into the movie;

With Denon (XX11 and newer) and Marantz AVRs and pre/pros (X005 and newer) with Audyssey of any flavor, at the end of the AUTO SETUP procedure, give you the option of turning Dyn Volume OFF, otherwise it will default to ON (medium) as noted below.

post #628 of 11327
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Thanks for the review.
In your system, do you externally equalize the subwoofer or do you allow XT32 to handle that? Have you run REW to see how well Audyssey is working?
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Thanks for the review.
In your system, do you externally equalize the subwoofer or do you allow XT32 to handle that? Have you run REW to see how well Audyssey is working?

I've just run a basic Audyssey cal at 3 listening positions because I have the Pro EQ mic kit and I'm waiting for the license on my 8801, and thought it would be coming imminently. (If you read a previous post of mine, you'll see that there is some issue right now with the state of the unit and the ProEQ license. According to Marantz, Audyssey needs to update its software or something. Long story short, at this point in time, I'm waiting to get a ProEQ license...) i have a wife and 6 yr old so finding an hour or more to mice 9.1 channels at 8 (or more) positions takes some planning on my part...

So I'm letting Audyssey handle the bass management and am very pleased with the results and haven't (ever) used REW. As i mentioned earlier, my only qualm with Audyssey is that it knocks the levels too low for MY PREFERENCE on movie watching. I bumped the levels a bit for movies and bass sounds tight and punchy. I can hear a definite improvement in the EQ of the front three channels as they has a far more cohesive sound quality, especially noticed in the timber of voices as they pan across the LCRs.
John
post #629 of 11327
Yeah, I thought I answered NO to that. Clearly I didn't... It is great for late night listening, but is a killer when you want the full experience. I've yet to try the LFC bass containment processing. I have a house (no neighbors to be bothered) but am interested to see how it works....
John
post #630 of 11327
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Originally Posted by sciacca View Post

I've just run a basic Audyssey cal at 3 listening positions because I have the Pro EQ mic kit and I'm waiting for the license on my 8801, and thought it would be coming imminently. (If you read a previous post of mine, you'll see that there is some issue right now with the state of the unit and the ProEQ license. According to Marantz, Audyssey needs to update its software or something. Long story short, at this point in time, I'm waiting to get a ProEQ license...) i have a wife and 6 yr old so finding an hour or more to mice 9.1 channels at 8 (or more) positions takes some planning on my part...
So I'm letting Audyssey handle the bass management and am very pleased with the results and haven't (ever) used REW. As i mentioned earlier, my only qualm with Audyssey is that it knocks the levels too low for MY PREFERENCE on movie watching. I bumped the levels a bit for movies and bass sounds tight and punchy. I can hear a definite improvement in the EQ of the front three channels as they has a far more cohesive sound quality, especially noticed in the timber of voices as they pan across the LCRs.
John

Can you elaborate in more detail this "mice" process? tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by sciacca View Post

Yeah, I thought I answered NO to that. Clearly I didn't... It is great for late night listening, but is a killer when you want the full experience. I've yet to try the LFC bass containment processing. I have a house (no neighbors to be bothered) but am interested to see how it works....
John

When you run it again, confirm that setting to NO actually works as designed as that may not be the case.
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