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Congrats Wabo. Well done mate
post #6332 of 11316
Hey there, Wabo!

A huge congrats on your new pre/pro! Welcome aboard!smile.gif
Edited by ohyeah32 - 6/20/13 at 10:21pm
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Congrats! You will love it
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Congrats Wabo. Well done mate

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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Hey there, Wabo!

A huge congrats on your new pre/pro! Welcome aboard!smile.gif

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Originally Posted by chingon510 View Post

Congrats! You will love it

Thanks, guys. Looking forward to getting this up and running.
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

It is one of the reasons I bought it.  Also I recently bought a 5.1channel analog preamp for my other system so that I could have more options.

Oh really! I am given pause to wonder, Hmm! I wonder which of the two I have in mind it could be wink.gifbiggrin.gif

I see you named it, nice choice, now careful Kal ,something like that could have you back to tubes and vinyl eek.gif
And oh! I call dibs on your classical sacd collection biggrin.gif
Edited by audiofan1 - 6/20/13 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I decided to join the party. There goes the neighborhood.biggrin.gif

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Congrats and welcome to the 8801 owners forum smile.gif

Have fun wink.gif
post #6337 of 11316
Do a lot of the 8801 owners keep dynamic volume off? Just curious. Thanks
post #6338 of 11316
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Originally Posted by chingon510 View Post

Do a lot of the 8801 owners keep dynamic volume off? Just curious. Thanks

I think most keep it off, but I personally love having it on.smile.gif I use it in the light (low) setting. I think it works great at keeping a consistent volume level, while also maintaining fidelity and dynamics in a soundtrack. So I keep it on all the time when watching movies.
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Originally Posted by chingon510 View Post

Do a lot of the 8801 owners keep dynamic volume off? Just curious. Thanks

I keep it off its a tad to much for my taste and instead I use the "Dialog Enhancer" on the low setting ( especially with Dynamic EQ on, as it bumps the sub and surrounds a few db) this seems about the equivalent of about a 1 to 1.5 db perceived bump on the center or certain frequencies that enhance the human voice ( who knows) for me on low its perfect and keeps the sound stage intact without collapsing it.
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Originally Posted by chingon510 View Post

Do a lot of the 8801 owners keep dynamic volume off? Just curious. Thanks

I do I did it with my previous pre amp as well
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I've pondered on this lately and wonder if that's one of the reasons the "Bypass FR/FL" option exist as I use this option from time to time ( mostly) when playing multi ch sacd's .



Bypass in Audyssey do you mean?
post #6342 of 11316
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

In the new July issue of Stereophile, Kalman Rubinson writes another fine article where he discusses Oppo's recently added feature (in beta) to the BDP-103 and 105 that allows them to play downloaded DSD files through USB connected hard drives and SMB/CIFS network access.

He then writes about the DeRemote app that allows one to control the AV8801 from any iOS device like an iPad or iPhone. In that section he also gives his thoughts on the subject that I brought to the attention of this thread in this post. While I initially was disappointed to learn that the 8801 down-samples high-resolution PCM to 48kHz/24 bits, I've come to the same conclusion that Kal makes in that the MultEQ XT32 room correction benefits outweigh the marginal effects of the increase in resolution.

I've contacted both Audyssey and Marantz on this issue. Since I've been very busy lately, I have not followed up with their responses on this thread but I will try to do so by this weekend.

BTW, good work Kal!



I'd be very interested in hearing what Marantz and Audyssey had to say.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post


I'd be very interested in hearing what Marantz and Audyssey had to say.

They both acknowledge this, btw.

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

They both acknowledge this, btw.



It kinda stinks but I agree having Audyssey trumps this.
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^^
has anyone ever confirmed whether AL32 is a hidden (non-advertised) feature or not?
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Bypass in Audyssey do you mean?

Its in the Audio menu, scroll down to audyssey and you have the 3 options >Audyssey> Bypass FR/FL and Flat. The second option will still apply Audyssey to everything else but the mains, so in effect ( or theory) there should be no need to downsample the signal.
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Question for you guys that's more experienced with these settings, anyway to quickly switch from home theater mode (surround in my case all 5.2 setup) to a music listening mode where I just want the front pair without subs playing music? I know obviously you can go through the menu and change your speaker setup but I was wondering if you can setup a toggle of some kind to do this.....probably the only thing I miss from my NAD unit as you can program a couple different sound settings pending on content and toggle easily. Thanks in advance.

P.S. Man I was real confused on why the rear USB wasn't working until I found that obscure setting in usb/ipod where you select front or back. The suggestion of those usb blower fans from coolerguys is great as it keeps the receiver cool but it is too loud IMO at full speed. Looking toward other options now.
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Originally Posted by sensui View Post

Question for you guys that's more experienced with these settings, anyway to quickly switch from home theater mode (surround in my case all 5.2 setup) to a music listening mode where I just want the front pair without subs playing music? I know obviously you can go through the menu and change your speaker setup but I was wondering if you can setup a toggle of some kind to do this.....probably the only thing I miss from my NAD unit as you can program a couple different sound settings pending on content and toggle easily. Thanks in advance.
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There are discrete commands (both IR and RS-232C/Ethernet) to do this.

The last 2 downloads here will give you information that will help:
http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=AVReceivers&SubCatId=0&ProductId=SR7007

The AV8801seems to respond to all of the SR7007 codes.
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Originally Posted by sensui View Post

P.S. Man I was real confused on why the rear USB wasn't working until I found that obscure setting in usb/ipod where you select front or back. The suggestion of those usb blower fans from coolerguys is great as it keeps the receiver cool but it is too loud IMO at full speed. Looking toward other options now.

I use these and they're very quiet, maybe you're using something different?
http://www.coolerguys.com/codublfancoc.html
(Various types of controllers are available for operation by either direct AC, or by USB, you've just gotta search their website and find them, but its a pretty well organized site).
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Originally Posted by avman09 View Post

Hi, can someone tell me how to tell from the serial number whether the 8801 was made in 2012 or 2014? The serial number of mine starts with 150013 and I wonder if that 13 means 2013.

Turns out that you are correct .... smile.gif

Manufacture Date

The 5th and 6th digits correspond to the year ... in this case 2013 ... and the 7th and 8th digits correspond to the week it was mfr'd.
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After further experimentation, I discovered that the lack of woofer output is due to a problem with my new Oppo 105, not my 8801! (I connected the Oppo's woofer output directly to my subwoofer...nothing. I then tried one of the other Oppo channel outs, and it sent a signal to my woofer.)
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I'd be very interested in hearing what Marantz and Audyssey had to say.

I am sure the Marantz 8803 (coming out next year) won't down-samples high-resolution PCM to 48kHz/24 bits.
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Originally Posted by Mad Norseman View Post

I use these and they're very quiet, maybe you're using something different?
http://www.coolerguys.com/codublfancoc.html
(Various types of controllers are available for operation by either direct AC, or by USB, you've just gotta search their website and find them, but its a pretty well organized site).

I'm using very similar fans from coolerguys cept they hook onto the USB (aka 5v versions) but same concept with the blower exhaust setup. Both of them daisy chained is pretty darn loud @ full tilt.....I have 1 on right now and the noise is still pretty loud for 1 fan with the front closed on my BDI stand. I talked to coolerguys and they have a fan controller for the usb stuff but it's not in stock, waiting for that to come in and hopefully turn down the speed to get the noise under control. I would use your exact setup except I'd like to automatically trigger the fans when the preamp comes on and not have to separately switch the fans. Thanks!
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So when feeding 24 96khz stereo PCM to the 8801 with Audyssey on, does the signal get down sampled to 48 kHz ?
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

After further experimentation, I discovered that the lack of woofer output is due to a problem with my new Oppo 105, not my 8801! (I connected the Oppo's woofer output directly to my subwoofer...nothing. I then tried one of the other Oppo channel outs, and it sent a signal to my woofer.)

Problem solved, sort of: I have to set the SACD output to PCM, not DSD, and now I have signal to my woofer! That does present a new problem in that I'd prefer to keep things DSD. Oh well. At least I know everything basically works!
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

I think most keep it off, but I personally love having it on.smile.gif I use it in the light (low) setting. I think it works great at keeping a consistent volume level, while also maintaining fidelity and dynamics in a soundtrack. So I keep it on all the time when watching movies.

Just got my 8801 yesterday, was just testing out John Mayer Where the Light Is which is one of the few 96/24 5.1 and 96/24 stereo blurays so I just found this setting. While I agree it works for some I prefer it off, if you leave it on auto there a few titles like Iron Man 1 that apply an agressive control which reduces the soundtrack IMHO.

Can't say I noticed an issue with audyssey dow Rez to 48khz either. I just found how to change the audyssey types to flat, L/R, etc they certainly sound different, not sure which I prefer yet... Man this 8801 has a myriad of settings to play with, I feel it's going to take a while to work it all out to get the best out of it, initial signs are positive
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I've pondered on this lately and wonder if that's one of the reasons the "Bypass FR/FL" option exist as I use this option from time to time ( mostly) when playing multi ch sacd's .

I think that perhaps they implemented this "Bypass FR/FL" option figuring that some folks may prefer to apply MultEQ XT32 on their other speakers and their subwoofer while leaving intact the sonic character of their main left and right front channels. This scenario probably works best when setting the main L/R speakers to "Small" and using a higher crossover point of 250 Hz and then setting the LPF for LFE (Low Pass Filter for Low Frequency Effects) to 250 Hz as well so that the subwoofer plays everything below 250 Hz. This way you can apply MultEQ XT32 room correction where it's most needed - in the lower frequencies - while leaving intact most of the sonic character of your main speakers, albeit minus their low end.

I personally prefer MultEQ XT32 to be on all the time. I still do a lot of on/off testing when I play all kinds of music and I find it too good to be turned off 95% of the time in my very difficult square room. When I switch MultEQ XT32, it's to change between the "Audyssey" and "Audyssey Flat" curves.

Of course the other untold reason this bypass option is there is to satisfy Kal. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by chingon510 View Post

Do a lot of the 8801 owners keep dynamic volume off? Just curious. Thanks

I leave it off most of the time unless listening at very low volumes. At first I liked it but after a while I realized that it changes the tonal qualities (timbre) of voices and instrument towards lower octaves. When listening late at night though, it can boost up the lower frequencies you wouldn't otherwise hear as well.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I'd be very interested in hearing what Marantz and Audyssey had to say.

Soon I'll make a full report with my thoughts on the matter and I''ll indicate the impact it has on some features of this platform.
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Originally Posted by krellcoda View Post

I am sure the Marantz 8803 (coming out next year) won't down-samples high-resolution PCM to 48kHz/24 bits.

Keep dreaming if you think that the 8801 will be replaced next year. It took Marantz over four years to replace it's predecessor, the AV8003, with the AV8801. Removing the 48kHz/24bits limit would require a doubling of the current DSP resources allotted to MultEQ XT32 to enable 96 kHz and a quadrupling to go all the way up to 192 kHz.
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