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post #6631 of 11293
Weak link? I hate unsubstantiated drive by comments, even from a respected reviewer. Why say this on a products thread and not save it for your review? You had to know it was going to tick people off.
Edited by comfynumb - 7/7/13 at 7:24pm
post #6632 of 11293
Weak link? the chain in my setup is pretty strong and the 8801 is the "Master Link" and has more than earned it's salt ! nothing you can show me on measurements or specs to sway me otherwise rolleyes.gif , having said that it should still be a nice read wink.gif
post #6633 of 11293
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Weak link? the chain in my setup is pretty strong and the 8801 is the "Master Link" and has more than earned it's salt ! nothing you can show me on measurements or specs to sway me otherwise rolleyes.gif , having said that it should still be a nice read wink.gif



+1 and a thumbs up for you.
post #6634 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

+1 and a thumbs up for you.

Funny this is my first Marantz product and i'll have to admit I'm beyond impressed , I'm officially now running for President of the fan club! biggrin.gif
post #6635 of 11293
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Funny this is my first Marantz product and i'll have to admit I'm beyond impressed , I'm officially now running for President of the fan club! biggrin.gif



It's also my first Marantz product and as I tend to keep my gear past their expiration date this will be in my setup for quite awhile. But if it didn't live up to my expectations I would have sold it by now and bought something else. Although I'm only set up in 5.1 I like the fact that I can add channels at any time and with 4K starting to take off I'm part way there already. What will I have to spend to see an improvement in sound? If it's 2-3 three times more I'm not interested and I'd rather add a pair of speakers or two and really hear a difference. You have my vote Mr President biggrin.gif

Here's how I see it if the AV7005 can out gun some pre/pro's worth much more I seriously doubt Marantz would make one that costs more than twice as much and claim its superior if it was not. They would lose a ton of credibility and if I got burned on a product I spent this kind of money on I'm not buying another one to see if they got it right this time.
Edited by comfynumb - 7/7/13 at 5:39pm
post #6636 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

. [quote name="baranowski"

you mean post it in the anthem thread?


I know there are guys coming from the Anthem on here, maybe just keep posting your question. I meant a question thread of your own probably not a good idea. If you have the D2v why not just audition the 8801?[/quote]

i have the 8801.... i would love to audition the d2V... hard to get my hands on that model...

do you know anyone in the daytona Florida area that has one?
post #6637 of 11293
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

The DACs are not the weak link for the 8801. More to come.

Of course not, who said they were?
post #6638 of 11293
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

I know there are guys coming from the Anthem on here, maybe just keep posting your question. I meant a question thread of your own probably not a good idea. If you have the D2v why not just audition the 8801?

i have the 8801.... i would love to audition the d2V... hard to get my hands on that model...

do you know anyone in the daytona Florida area that has one?[/quote]



Ok I didn't realize you had the Marantz.
post #6639 of 11293
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Originally Posted by avman09 View Post

Of course not, who said they were?



Houston we have a problem, instead of Marantz's hyper dynamic amplifier module and oversized toroidal power supply they found a chipmunk running on a wheel biggrin.gif
post #6640 of 11293
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

I know there are guys coming from the Anthem on here, maybe just keep posting your question. I meant a question thread of your own probably not a good idea. If you have the D2v why not just audition the 8801?

i have the 8801.... i would love to audition the d2V... hard to get my hands on that model...

do you know anyone in the daytona Florida area that has one?[/quote]


Well I recently sold my d2v but if I got this about 3 weeks earlier I am not too far from you and you could have auditioned mine. Having said that and since I now own this Marantz beast I can only give my opinion (as subjective as it may be). The D2v sonically is hard to beat. I was worried going to another pre I would lose what I already had in audio sound. I had the need to add functions that the d2v couldn't provide (at least without shelling out more money ). I wanted 3d , networking and getting 4k pass thru was a bonus. The sound is almost at least to me on par with the d2v so much so I finally sold my d2v. There are other pieces that of course contribute....speakers... amps and of course room acoustics which to me I cannot get into as I am just a novice. The D2v also had sync issues that at least in my case I would have to reboot the processor to correct. Overall I am very very glad I have the 8801 and will never look back..


Just my 2 cents...
post #6641 of 11293
I had an AVM-50v a few years ago, and it was the buggiest processor I've ever had. It sounded good, but it didn't matter when it locked up every other night.
post #6642 of 11293
Thank you for the personal take on the d2V.... that is what i am looking for... real world.

I am sort of the opposite of what you were looking for... i never use 3D (gives me a head ache) i do not do anything with a computer, internet, downloading music , playing music files, etc... i so far have not even enjoyed 7.1 more than 5.1.....let alone 11.2.

but then again, there would a difficult time to find even a used D2V for the price of the marantz...

I run the anthem statement for my Ht. B&W 802 fronts, htm1 center, 804S rear channel...Sony Vpl Vw60 projector.

Bill
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

what are your thoughts on the change? did you change anything else besides the processor, in your system?

No - I only moved from the D2 to the 8801. I would say that moving from a 7 year old pre/pro makes a huge difference by itself. For examples, having an ethernet port on the pre/pro is really no big deal these days but when you haven't had one it makes all the difference in the world. I would say that I am 100% happy that I made the switch.


I would offer some observations:

1. Doing your audio processing in the pre/pro is just better than in the BD player. I know all the arguments that sending LPCM signals from the BD player is the same, but I just don't think it is.

2. There are many additions like Pandora and SiriusXM that I really don't care about. I use a Logitech Squeezebox Touch for that and I find that I like that much better than doing it in the pre/pro.

3. One major issue I had was that I had to upgrade the firmware of the projector because the HDMI handshake btwn the 8801 and my relatively old Digital Projection projector were not compatible. This sounds like no big deal, but first I had to figure out what the problem was, and then I had to fool around with RS232 connectors, etc., which always takes longer than it should. I'm not sure what Marantz is doing in the 8801 but it didn't get along with a projector from 2008.

4. I have not yet tried doing DSD direct from my Oppo 980H to 8801 - I will play with this this week and see how I feel about it.

5. As per item #3 above, being able to do firmware updates via the internet rather than RS232 is such a huge move forward. I know it sounds petty, but this alone stopped me from ever considering an Anthem D2v - its just too much money to spend on a device that is clearly still using 1995 era technology.

6. I think that generally I am going to spend less on electronics (pre/pro, BD players, etc.) - the technology changes so quickly and no matter how future proof you convince yourself that something is, it just isn't. On the other hand, power amps and speakers are well worth the investment since that technology isn't changing so fast.

Let me know if you have any others questions.

David
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Houston we have a problem, instead of Marantz's hyper dynamic amplifier module and oversized toroidal power supply they found a chipmunk running on a wheel biggrin.gif

This!! I wondered when it would come out! tongue.gif

I am not doing a review, just know some more "interesting" data is coming out soon that involves this pre-pro. Again I default to my previous comment about going beyond the comments and specs and just enjoying the music. If it sounds spectacular to you today than there isn't any reason it shouldn't sound spectacular later.

I am personally running an Anthem D2V-3D and have been nothing but thrilled with its audio performance. And considering when the D2V came out it is certainly long in the tooth and doesn't have the same specs as the new kids on the block. But that doesn't keep it from making sweet sweet music in my room. Keep enjoying guys, I'm just delighted to see products get this much positive reception and Marantz delivering a flagship processor at this price.
post #6645 of 11293
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

This!! I wondered when it would come out! tongue.gif

I am not doing a review, just know some more "interesting" data is coming out soon that involves this pre-pro. Again I default to my previous comment about going beyond the comments and specs and just enjoying the music. If it sounds spectacular to you today than there isn't any reason it shouldn't sound spectacular later.

I am personally running an Anthem D2V-3D and have been nothing but thrilled with its audio performance. And considering when the D2V came out it is certainly long in the tooth and doesn't have the same specs as the new kids on the block. But that doesn't keep it from making sweet sweet music in my room. Keep enjoying guys, I'm just delighted to see products get this much positive reception and Marantz delivering a flagship processor at this price.



Aha! I was wondering where my chipmunk food was going! I'm glad your happy with the D2v, I understand they sound good smile.gif
You can't leave us hanging like this, comon what's the data? We won't tell anyone biggrin.gif
I apologize for mouthing off yesterday, but you have to understand I like my Marantz better than most people I meet eek.gif (am I getting anywhere yet?) seriously if it's anything bad I'll call the leader of the free world (If I can catch him in between vacations) and read him the riot act biggrin.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 7/8/13 at 9:19am
post #6646 of 11293
What kind of interesting data?? Down sampling? Analog in going A-D-A? DSD converted? What???
post #6647 of 11293
Not my data to tell, sorry. Hopefully soon though, I'm just as interested in reading the whole thing as you guys!
post #6648 of 11293
Not my data to tell, sorry. Hopefully soon though, I'm just as interested in reading the whole thing as you guys!
post #6649 of 11293
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Not my data to tell, sorry. Hopefully soon though, I'm just as interested in reading the whole thing as you guys!

What is this all about? I'm out of the loop.

Anyhow, I wanted to ask if Kal Rubinson's mention in Stereophile regarding prepro downsampling when Audyssey is enabled has been discussed? Maybe point me in the right direction as I've just begun snooping around. Appreciated!
post #6650 of 11293
^^ This was discussed a couple pages ago and I believe with Audyssey engaged many pre/pro's and receivers do the same. But some of us were a little surprised because high res sounds so good on the 8801. They still sound better that a red book CD in most cases so I'd like to know exactly what's going on myself smile.gif
post #6651 of 11293
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I hadn't thought of that.  I had thought the "Bypass FR/FL" option
 existed only for me as it lets me enjoy a pair of speakers in for review without doing a full run of Audyssey. 
biggrin.gif

With respect to the downsampling, is it the case that L/R bypass will maintain the original resolution?

I also want to be sure that this downsampling only occurs when Audyssey is enabled. So, for example, is the resolution maintained when bass management is utilized?

Also, has it been determined that downsampling is performed on all Marantz prepros released in the past few years which use Audyssey. How about Denon? I'd assume so. I'm not sure which others use Audyssey.

Forgive me for covering this ground once again, but I'm coming in late and appreciate the time and advice.
post #6652 of 11293
David,

thank you so so much for your personal experience. Anthem was my top of the line pre pro back when they offered the "upgrade" program.. then i heard that they were not doing that anymore. I was happy when i first heard about the upgrade program.... it was nice to see a high end company do that for their customers. but then management changed and they stopped.

i have never updated any of my equipment except for one time i HAD to update my Ps3 so it would play one of the games for my son... besides that never.

my projector is an older model as well, but never a hand shake issue. i knew that the anthem D2 had a bunch of hdmi handshake issues but i was under the impression that the D2V had fixed the issues.

I would wish that one of the higher end companies would just offer a processor with just room correction.... nothing more.

The oppo's seem to still be the favorite blu ray player it does processing. just send the signal through the pre pro that just does the room correction.

but i am not the majority... So i got the 8801, great price for real good gear... i just will never use the majority of all the "do dads" that it has.

then again the wife and i do not hear or see any difference between the 8801 and my old receiver that we used as just a processor.

Bill
post #6653 of 11293
Can someone provide a link to the Secrets article on the 8801, I can't find it anywhere and I want to start there and then deal with the new data when it comes out, thanks.
post #6654 of 11293
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Can someone provide a link to the Secrets article on the 8801, I can't find it anywhere and I want to start there and then deal with the new data when it comes out, thanks.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/audio-calibration/audio-calibration-reviews/anthem-room-correction-arc-system-part-1/page-9-room-gain.html
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It looks like the 8801 is the scapegoat for an Audyssey short coming to me. I have no clue who the author is and couldn't find anything online about him, maybe someone can fill me in. IMO it appears like he's trying to prove ARC is superior or maybe it's just an honest comparison. I'd like to see Marantz or Audyssey's response to this and so far the only thing I've read is that Marantz said is there is no future upgrade planned for this with a FW update. I did ask Marantz about this myself and didn't get a response, but I'm not one to give up that easy and will post that link along with my follow up email. Not that my 8801 will be up for sale any time soon and I don't feel like I'm giving up anything as far as quality goes. I just want to know if this is on Audyssey or Marantz.
Edited by comfynumb - 7/8/13 at 2:03pm
post #6657 of 11293
Here is a quote from the artile. Is this quote saying the 8801 doesn't have the horsepower in it's DSP's to do high res with Audyssey engaged or that it can be upgraded to except high res with Audyssey engaged?



The Marantz AV8801 is $3,600 before the costs of having the unit upgraded by a Marantz certified Pro Installer using the Audyssey PC based tools and calibrated microphone. Sampling at 96k sample/sec requires twice the DSP resources for the real time filters used for room correction.
post #6658 of 11293
I am probably wrong in my interpretation of that quote but seems to me all he is mentioning is the option to use Audyssey Pro for extra cost with a professional person calibrating the system.
post #6659 of 11293
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

I am probably wrong in my interpretation of that quote but seems to me all he is mentioning is the option to use Audyssey Pro for extra cost with a professional person calibrating the system.



After reading it several times that is the way it sounds to me also.
post #6660 of 11293
The second sentence in that quote makes it confusing. Seems to have nothing to do with the prior sentence. At least confusing to me. rolleyes.gif
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