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post #691 of 11283
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

using both 12inch and 8inch together? Are you using the ESW-M8? happy with it?

The Energy sub is an S8.3 and it is for the rear. I was able to keep a couple of pieces of gear along with my clothes when I lost everything when the economy crashed in 07-08...I guess that is to some degree dedication. I kept my (3) Carver Lightstar 2.0 amps and all my Silver Audio cables and that Energy sub. The sub has never been used so I figured I could put it to use in the back. Hopefully it will mesh well with the Golden Ear speakers and the rest of the system. The SVS is in piano black and is beautiful.

I wish I had the AV8801 already.
post #692 of 11283
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

Try this to get rid of the hum. Works great for me.

Thanks for the recommendation.
post #693 of 11283
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Originally Posted by planetbrian777 View Post

The Energy sub is an S8.3 and it is for the rear. Hopefully it will mesh well with the Golden Ear speakers and the rest of the system. The SVS is in piano black and is beautiful
interesting. I have an original S8.3 as well, I use in my living room system (with Denon AVR-2112CI), great little sub.
post #694 of 11283
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

I strongly disagree. When a quality oriented manufacturer builds a pre/pro for a mid to high-end price point, he'll use better quality components like toroidal transformers, better capacitors, resistors, transistors, etc. They'll also spend more effort on R&D to develop better performing analog circuitry with lower noise floors, specially in the very important analog output stages. Digital and analog electronics are two very different animals. Why do you think there is such a large SQ difference over the analog outs between the Oppo 93 and 95? Their whole digital front-end is identical; that SQ difference is result of the analog output stages, the DAC, the linear power supply with a toroidal transformer, etc.
The manufacturers like Theta Digital (Casablanca pre/pro), Classé (SSP-800), Anthem (Statement D2v), Lexicon and even Denon with their flagship AVP-A1HDCI(A) all understand that. Like I said in an earlier post, you can take the best DAC solution on the market and still have far from optimal results if you analog output stages aren't well designed.

Yeah they "understand" in the respect that they know full-well there's a number who will pay the most times considerable to obscene premium for their utilization and proposed increased in fidelity, not that it's (said proposed increase in fidelity) actually reliably discernible by humans. Sounds great though, to be sure.

But, sigh, there's yet to be a single credible shred of evidence to the contrary while every other ABX proving precisely the contention above is accepted and approved by all but a fraction of a percent who are- wait for it- busy spending unnecessarily exorbitant sums on gear that they cannot discern from their less expensive, level-matched counterparts to save their lives.

Go figure.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 12/5/12 at 12:10pm
post #695 of 11283
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

interesting. I have an original S8.3 as well, I use in my living room system (with Denon AVR-2112CI), great little sub.

I am glad to hear that it is a good sub. I have only plugged it in to see if it will power up. Do you know of any positives or negatives about it? Any tips that I need to know?
post #696 of 11283
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

I strongly disagree. When a quality oriented manufacturer builds a pre/pro for a mid to high-end price point, he'll use better quality components like toroidal transformers, better capacitors, resistors, transistors, etc. They'll also spend more effort on R&D to develop better performing analog circuitry with lower noise floors, specially in the very important analog output stages. Digital and analog electronics are two very different animals. Why do you think there is such a large SQ difference over the analog outs between the Oppo 93 and 95? Their whole digital front-end is identical; that SQ difference is result of the analog output stages, the DAC, the linear power supply with a toroidal transformer, etc.
The manufacturers like Theta Digital (Casablanca pre/pro), Classé (SSP-800), Anthem (Statement D2v), Lexicon and even Denon with their flagship AVP-A1HDCI(A) all understand that. Like I said in an earlier post, you can take the best DAC solution on the market and still have far from optimal results if you analog output stages aren't well designed.

Yeah they "understand" in the respect that they know full-well there's a number who will pay the most times considerable to obscene premium for their utilization and proposed increased in fidelity, not that it's (said proposed increase in fidelity) actually reliably discernible by humans. Sounds great though, to be sure.

But, sigh, there's yet to be a single credible shred of evidence to the contrary while every other ABX proving precisely the contention above is accepted and approved by all but a fraction of a percent who are- wait for it- busy spending unnecessarily exorbitant sums on gear that they cannot discern from their less expensive, level-matched counterparts to save their lives.

Go figure.

James

Personally, one of my rationales for getting a pre/pro instead of a receiver is that the better construction quality and the reduced heat load due to reduced thermal density and resulting better air flow should result in better reliability. I'm certainly one of those who don't believe that equipment at this quality level should have any audible difference in sound quality -- except for whatever differences exist due to having different types of speakers, room acoustics, and room equalization software.
post #697 of 11283
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Originally Posted by planetbrian777 View Post

I am glad to hear that it is a good sub. I have only plugged it in to see if it will power up. Do you know of any positives or negatives about it? Any tips that I need to know?
it's okay in smallish size rooms (only 100w rms). I've used mine for a few years in a smallish living room for movie surround, now I use in simple 2-channel set-up with two mini front speakers in a bedroom, not bad.
http://www.soundstage.com/surrounded/surrounded200503.htm

You may want to check Energy thread for more:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/630450/energy-owners-thread

sorry for off-topic
post #698 of 11283
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

it's okay in smallish size rooms (only 100w rms). I've used mine for a few years in a smallish living room for movie surround, now I use in simple 2-channel set-up with two mini front speakers in a bedroom, not bad.
http://www.soundstage.com/surrounded/surrounded200503.htm
You may want to check Energy thread for more:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/630450/energy-owners-thread
sorry for off-topic

Sounds like it will work great for the rear surrounds and with Audessey XT32 in the AV8801 it should calibrate well. I just got done watching the gun fight scene in the movie Heat with the AV7701 and it sounds awesome. Music sounds great too. My previous pre/pro was a Lexicon MC12B which sounded great too. If the 8801 sounds better then I will be very happy.
post #699 of 11283
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Originally Posted by planetbrian777 View Post

I just ordered a AV8801 after being out of HT for about 6 years and things have changed A LOT. I demoed the AV7701, but I could not get rid of a ground loop hum and a high noise floor. I also bought an Oppo 103, Golden Ear Triton Twos and AON 3s along with a SVS PB-12 Plus sub and an energy 8" sub for speakers. The plasma I bought is the Panasonic 60ST50. I am hoping the AV8801 will have a quieter noise floor and no ground loop hum.
What are people using coax digital cables for nowadays as I have two silver coax digital cables that are not being used?

How is it you plan on using the 8" just for the rear speakers? Aside from connecting a coax digital to a sub, you may also need it if you are using a cable/sat box and experience any HDMI handshake issues which are quite common with cable/sat boxes, requiring connecting the HDMI directly to the TV with optical/digital coax to the AVR.
post #700 of 11283
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Personally, one of my rationales for getting a pre/pro instead of a receiver is that the better construction quality and the reduced heat load due to reduced thermal density and resulting better air flow should result in better reliability. I'm certainly one of those who don't believe that equipment at this quality level should have any audible difference in sound quality -- except for whatever differences exist due to having different types of speakers, room acoustics, and room equalization software.

Keep in mind you'll still get an appreciable amount of heat generated from the video card.
post #701 of 11283
You mean like on an Onkyo that can cook a turkey just before the main board fails:)
post #702 of 11283
Nah .. not quite that high .. but it should be very warm to the touch.
post #703 of 11283
Not sure if this has been asked and answered lately, but now that all the specs have been released, how do you think the 8801 stacks up against the top of the line Denon Pre/Pro (I think the model number is AVP A1HDCI AV). Earlier, many thought the Denon was still the ultimate (or at least better than the 8801). What do you smart guys think now?
post #704 of 11283
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Yeah they "understand" in the respect that they know full-well there's a number who will pay the most times considerable to obscene premium for their utilization and proposed increased in fidelity, not that it's (said proposed increase in fidelity) actually reliably discernible by humans. Sounds great though, to be sure.
But, sigh, there's yet to be a single credible shred of evidence to the contrary while every other ABX proving precisely the contention above is accepted and approved by all but a fraction of a percent who are- wait for it- busy spending unnecessarily exorbitant sums on gear that they cannot discern from their less expensive, level-matched counterparts to save their lives.
Go figure.
James

I do agree that the so-called "law of diminishing returns" starts to apply at a certain price-point for audio gear. I also think that the price differential between the AV7701 and the AV8801 is hard to justify. Marantz obviously didn't include certain very sought-out features like MultEQ XT32 on the AV7701 in order to justify the much higher price of of the AV8801 and as a strategy to to sell more AV8801s and reap higher profits. Actually I'm quite frugal when buying audio gear.
post #705 of 11283
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Personally, one of my rationales for getting a pre/pro instead of a receiver is that the better construction quality and the reduced heat load due to reduced thermal density and resulting better air flow should result in better reliability. I'm certainly one of those who don't believe that equipment at this quality level should have any audible difference in sound quality -- except for whatever differences exist due to having different types of speakers, room acoustics, and room equalization software.

There's logic to the probability of increased reliability due to reduced thermal accumulation. However, someone that doesn't believe in any audible differences related to the electronic design, parts quality and room EQ software, should acquire a much more reasonably priced AV7701 or even a decent quality AVR.
post #706 of 11283
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

There's logic to the probability of increased reliability due to reduced thermal accumulation. However, someone that doesn't believe in any audible differences related to the electronic design, parts quality and room EQ software, should acquire a much more reasonably priced AV7701 or even a decent quality AVR.

+1, its the reason 7701 exsist;)
post #707 of 11283
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Originally Posted by ECinOC View Post

Not sure if this has been asked and answered lately, but now that all the specs have been released, how do you think the 8801 stacks up against the top of the line Denon Pre/Pro (I think the model number is AVP A1HDCI AV). Earlier, many thought the Denon was still the ultimate (or at least better than the 8801). What do you smart guys think now?

It's hard to tell without anyone making direct comparisons of both units under controlled and identical conditions but my hunch is the the law of diminishing returns will apply quite strongly. wink.gif
post #708 of 11283
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Originally Posted by sfav View Post

You mean like on an Onkyo that can cook a turkey just before the main board fails:)

"When cooking a turkey on top of an Onkyo, please insure that the belly of the turkey is properly stitched in order to prevent the stuffing from oozing out onto the Onkyo's main board". Taken from the Onkyo owner's manual under the chapter: "Advanced Cooking Techniques with an Onkyo". biggrin.gif
post #709 of 11283
We had a discussion about the Denon A1HDC a while back. One of the things touted about that design was the fully balanced design, something which Marantz hasn't claimed.

Also the A1HDC includes DenonLink4.

But the Denon is limited to 9.x for NeoX and DSX.
post #710 of 11283
Hello All,

Didn't get to play much today with the 8801, we are pulling about 30,000 feet of wire in our showroom so I have been there a lot over the past few days and I have 3 sick kids. I managed to sneak some time in listening to my Sonos source. I heard a difference right away on Sonos, the soundstage of the 8801 was much bigger than that of the 80.3, it wasn't even close (I listen to the same songs all the time, so I know what they have sounded like over the past few months). My gripe with my in-walls is that my soundstage is limited to where the speakers are, but that isn't the case with the 8801, I heard much more off axis vs. the 80.3. So far, larger soundstage, better defined. I am running XT32 tomorrow morning and I will post up after that.

In the past 5 years I have owned an Anthem D2, Denon AVP1, Integra 80.2, Integra 80.3, and the Marantz 8801 is making a pit stop until my showroom is ready. I wish I could equally compare all preamps, but my speakers and sources have changed over the years as well, so it isn't apples to apples. I can do the 80.3 vs, Marantz since all I am doing is swapping pre's.
post #711 of 11283
Since the 80.3 and the 8801 are two of the closest natural competitors that support most of the same features albeit at a $900 price difference, that comparison will be most valuable to folks around here. Thank you for giving your feedback, it's much appreciated.
post #712 of 11283
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

We had a discussion about the Denon A1HDC a while back. One of the things touted about that design was the fully balanced design, something which Marantz hasn't claimed.
Also the A1HDC includes DenonLink4.
But the Denon is limited to 9.x for NeoX and DSX.

What is DenonLink4?
post #713 of 11283
DenonLink supports a method of sending
a. DVDA and SACD over the Cat5E cable (much better jitter rejection and performance)
b. master clock for HR PCM from BluRay MPCM soundtracks
post #714 of 11283
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

Since the 80.3 and the 8801 are two of the closest natural competitors that support most of the same features albeit at a $900 price difference, that comparison will be most valuable to folks around here. Thank you for giving your feedback, it's much appreciated.

Add the Onkyo PR-SC5509 as the brother of the Integra 80.3 to this.
post #715 of 11283
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

We had a discussion about the Denon A1HDC a while back. One of the things touted about that design was the fully balanced design, something which Marantz hasn't claimed.
Also the A1HDC includes DenonLink4.
But the Denon is limited to 9.x for NeoX and DSX.
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Originally Posted by Need4spdnb 
...the soundstage of the 8801 was much bigger than that of the 80.3, it wasn't even close...

The proof in the pudding is always eating it.
Technical specs and features ain't nothing if it doesn't show up in SQ.
Many manufacturers often claim wondrous things for their super spec'ed units, which rarely show up in listening afterwards.
Any statements like "night and day" differences between similar units usually have to be seen with a rather large portion of skepticism, because all manufacturers use similar amp designs based on common concepts which don't allow for such differences.
Euphoria and expectations drive imagination beyond whats really existent and "audible".
post #716 of 11283
There is value to having a balanced setup. Studios use it because it is less susceptible to noise. It's very obvious in my system.
post #717 of 11283
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Add the Onkyo PR-SC5509 as the brother of the Integra 80.3 to this.

indeed
post #718 of 11283
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

We had a discussion about the Denon A1HDC a while back. One of the things touted about that design was the fully balanced design, something which Marantz hasn't claimed.

We'll find out soon enough once the AV8801 service manual becomes available. A technician or EE looking a the schematics will be able to recognize the balanced circuitry if it's part of the design.
post #719 of 11283
Need some more source name labels?

Here's a nice little tidbit ..... to add and be able to access (5) additional source name labels (AUX3, AUX4, AUX5, AUX 6, and AUX7) to the 8801, simply press/hold the DOWN arrow and BACK buttons on the front panel while powering on the 8801. Enjoy! smile.gif


post #720 of 11283
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Originally Posted by Chucka View Post

I would also like to see a review of the Marantz AV8801 as compared to the Denon AVR-4520 and if is worth the difference in cost...
Chucka

Sounds like a plan. smile.gif
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