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Nice !! Sounds like a great plan ..

Now I need to buy that picture you have lol
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If I didn't want to hear an 11.2 setup in the future ( no atmos for awhile and this is as close as you're' gonna get biggrin.gif) the only pre on my radar is the Krell foundation ( but no 11.2 just to keep it simple ), and even then there's just to much to give up parting ways with the 8801, as DSD multi ch is a high priority the more expensive the pre the more they seem to negate this feature not to mention this thing is so killer on movies ( I can only imagine 11.2 as I only have 5.1 and every nook of my room is filled with sound) I'm not giving up that immersion and impact for ??? So price aside nothing can match the 8801's well thought out usable feature set and would be a step backwards and not to mention, its a mighty fine 2/ch pre cool.gif

But if I got a better Dac than the 8801 has already what would the 8801 do that the PR-SC886 wont do ? For movies
Edited by a1usedcomp - 8/3/13 at 1:49pm
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Is onkyo pure really pure?
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

But if I got a better Dac than the 8801 has already what would the 8801 do that the PR-SC886 wont do ? For movies

Sound as good biggrin.gif until you've heard a proper run of Audyssey ( coupled with a solid processing foundation without audyssey which the 8801 has in spades) and what it does in the time domain well the point is mute wink.gif The 8801's dac's are really superb at handling playback of multi/ch sacd via hdmi as I have some very well recorded classical and the performance in my room can be nothing short of breathtaking and with Channel Classics sacd of Mahler's 5th on the horizon this should be fun, infact with the 105 's ability for the DSD file, I may go that route on this one, but back on topic biggrin.gif the analog inputs are in question and if the implementation is as good or better than the 8801 then you're set, if not ! then you've stepped backwards.
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Day and night difference 8801 vs Dac don't get me wrong the 8801 is awesome but music wise vs Dac no even beats the 105
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Day and night difference 8801 vs Dac don't get me wrong the 8801 is awesome but music wise vs Dac no even beats the 105

That all depends on the rest of the setup wink.gif I just put a Morrow MAP 2 power cord on the 8801 and well eek.gif let's just say more goods extracted! as for the 105 it's taking care of business here, you've made a lot of rapid changes and can you honestly say that you've given each addition proper integration time? How many hours did you put on the 105?
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Day and night difference 8801 vs Dac don't get me wrong the 8801 is awesome but music wise vs Dac no even beats the 105

how much was the EE and does it play well with the 8801? that's a sweet dac wink.gif does it do multi/ch?
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how much was the EE and does it play well with the 8801? that's a sweet dac wink.gif does it do multi/ch?[/quote]

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1212/eastern_electric_minimax_dac_plus.htm

Mine has the DEXA discrete op-amps also I just use the SS I pulled the tube
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http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1212/eastern_electric_minimax_dac_plus.htm

Mine has the DEXA discrete op-amps also I just use the SS I pulled the tube

Thanks for the link, it appears highly moddable to tailor the sound at very reasonable price! what sonically stuck out that sealed the deal?
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Welcome to the club Scott-C smile.gif

Thanks audiofan1, and thank you to you and all the others who have spent so much time in/on this thread. I've read (well, skimmed in some cases) all of it and it was of great value as I was making my decision. I'm looking forward to posting some impressions once it arrives and I've had a chance to become acquainted with its capabilities.

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Originally Posted by jdlynch View Post

Good move on purchasing the 8801. I have had mine for over a week now, and, I can't find enough movies to watch smile.gif

I thought my Lexicon MC12B could not be bettered by the 8801; I was wrong!

jdlynch, as a former MC12B owner, I followed your "journey" quite closely. I loved my Lex, but I ended up selling it so I could take advantage of more current connection types and surround sound formats. I haven't had anything that sounded that good in my system since. I'm hoping the 8801 changes that. 😊
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Looks like there's a few of us who used to own the Lex MC12B. Some more recent than others. I sold mine off around 8 years ago, give or take. But I digress, welcome to the 8801 club.
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

If I didn't want to hear an 11.2 setup in the future ( no atmos for awhile and this is as close as you're' gonna get biggrin.gif) the only pre on my radar is the Krell foundation ( but no 11.2 just to keep it simple ), and even then there's just to much to give up parting ways with the 8801, as DSD multi ch is a high priority the more expensive the pre the more they seem to negate this feature not to mention this thing is so killer on movies ( I can only imagine 11.2 as I only have 5.1 and every nook of my room is filled with sound) I'm not giving up that immersion and impact for ??? So price aside nothing can match the 8801's well thought out usable feature set and would be a step backwards and not to mention, its a mighty fine 2/ch pre cool.gif

But if I got a better Dac than the 8801 has already what would the 8801 do that the PR-SC886 wont do ? For movies

The 8801 can expand surround sound to 11.2 channels. The 886 is limited to 7.1.
The 8801 provides Audyssey MultEQ XT32. The 886 is limited to XT.
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

The 8801 can expand surround sound to 11.2 channels. The 886 is limited to 7.1.
The 8801 provides Audyssey MultEQ XT32. The 886 is limited to XT.

I guess I said that wrong What will the 8801 do for me that the 886 wont ? XT32 vs XT is not a big deal to me , I only will use 5.1 - 5.2 400.00 vs 2300.00 again the differences to me are not worth 1900.00 .

I dont have a need for 3D and if I did I would buy a player with 2 HDMI outs , the only reason I would even use the 886 is for the little movie watching I do thats it . The 8801 just does not have a value to me at this
time .

Im not saying the 8801 is not worth owning because it is a awesome unit
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Im still thinking hard on that , I got a PR SC886 which would work since I have a good Dac

Try running your DAC through 8801A's 7.1 anlalog direct path before you get rid of it.

In my setup with my speakers, the 8801A with Rega DAC sounds much better than Ayre K-5xeMP. Where the Rega and Ayre sound really good in my friends house.

I think it's all about equipment synergy and the room acoustical response integration.

Oh, I forgot to add... I switched from bi-amp/unbalanced to single amp per speaker/true differential ballanced configuration and notice substantial improvement with Rega DAC on top of my previous experience. The bottom line is that I'm no longer looking for a 2-channel preamp.
Edited by AlxG - 8/4/13 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post

Try running your DAC through 8801A's 7.1 anlalog direct path before you get rid of it.

In my setup with my speakers, Rega DAC sounds much better than Ayre K-5xeMP. Where the Rega and Ayre sound really good in my friends house.

I think it's all about equipment synergy and the room acoustical response integration.



Your right about synergy and room acoustics. I'm not picking on a1usedcomps choice in gear at all, only he knows the sound he's after. But how well gear matches up and the way they play together in any given room is high on the priority list.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I guess I said that wrong What will the 8801 do for me that the 886 wont ? XT32 vs XT is not a big deal to me , I only will use 5.1 - 5.2 400.00 vs 2300.00 again the differences to me are not worth 1900.00 .

I dont have a need for 3D and if I did I would buy a player with 2 HDMI outs , the only reason I would even use the 886 is for the little movie watching I do thats it . The 8801 just does not have a value to me at this
time .

Im not saying the 8801 is not worth owning because it is a awesome unit

Let me chip in. XT32 works for 5.1 as well, and if you use 5.2 it's much, much better. The single biggest difference in SQ is upgrading from XT to XT32 (biggest difference is quality of the unit itself).

Now about the 886: I used to own the 885 (I actually "upgraded" from a Lexicon MC-12 to the 885) and I hated it. The 885 sounded like a cheap receiver to me. Assuming the 886 is not much difference, you get the point. From the 885 I went to the AV8003 (much, much better), to the AV7005 (not that much different than the AV8003), to the AV8801. The AV8801 is the first processor that reminds me of my Lexicon, and actually makes me forget my beloved MC12.

To summarize: upgrading from a 886 to a AV7701 or better, AV8801 will be a huge upgrade in my humble opinion.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I guess I said that wrong What will the 8801 do for me that the 886 wont ? XT32 vs XT is not a big deal to me , I only will use 5.1 - 5.2 400.00 vs 2300.00 again the differences to me are not worth 1900.00 .

I dont have a need for 3D and if I did I would buy a player with 2 HDMI outs , the only reason I would even use the 886 is for the little movie watching I do thats it . The 8801 just does not have a value to me at this
time .

Im not saying the 8801 is not worth owning because it is a awesome unit

Let me chip in. XT32 works for 5.1 as well, and if you use 5.2 it's much, much better. The single biggest difference in SQ is upgrading from XT to XT32 (biggest difference is quality of the unit itself).

Now about the 886: I used to own the 885 (I actually "upgraded" from a Lexicon MC-12 to the 885) and I hated it. The 885 sounded like a cheap receiver to me. Assuming the 886 is not much difference, you get the point. From the 885 I went to the AV8003 (much, much better), to the AV7005 (not that much different than the AV8003), to the AV8801. The AV8801 is the first processor that reminds me of my Lexicon, and actually makes me forget my beloved MC12.

To summarize: upgrading from a 886 to a AV7701 or better, AV8801 will be a huge upgrade in my humble opinion.
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Now I need to buy that picture you have lol
LoL That is a cool picture that I've wanted for a long time . It's exactly how I feel when I fire up my 2ch setup and sit in the sweet spot biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

Let me chip in. XT32 works for 5.1 as well, and if you use 5.2 it's much, much better. The single biggest difference in SQ is upgrading from XT to XT32 (biggest difference is quality of the unit itself).

Now about the 886: I used to own the 885 (I actually "upgraded" from a Lexicon MC-12 to the 885) and I hated it. The 885 sounded like a cheap receiver to me. Assuming the 886 is not much difference, you get the point. From the 885 I went to the AV8003 (much, much better), to the AV7005 (not that much different than the AV8003), to the AV8801. The AV8801 is the first processor that reminds me of my Lexicon, and actually makes me forget my beloved MC12.

To summarize: upgrading from a 886 to a AV7701 or better, AV8801 will be a huge upgrade in my humble opinion.


I also have owned a few Pre Pro's Integra - Pioneer - Anthem - Onkyo and I'm not saying the sound of the 8801 is bad , what I'm saying is when I A/B the 8801 vs my EE Dac I hear a huge difference the EE sounds better . I don't see how a 886 vs a 8801 XT32 aside makes a difference , if my Dac had a volume control I would need either .
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My wife was watching a SD DVD today, and, the screen (especially noticeable with dark backgrounds) had "sparklies" all over it.

I'm running all video through the 8801 to utilize HDMI switching. I will probably try a direct HDMI to my projector to see if they go away, but, the HDMI switching feature is a big reason I changed from my Lexicon MC12B.

Does anyone know what might be causing the sparklies? Perhaps its an HDMI cable issue?
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Thanks JD for the link. I'll be receiving my Wire World cable soon; I'll be able to do some comparisons then.
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Originally Posted by jdlynch View Post

Thanks JD for the link. I'll be receiving my Wire World cable soon; I'll be able to do some comparisons then.

What length is your HDMI cable?

I Monoprice Redmere cables from 3 to 15 feet and all work perfectly.
They are very thin and put no force on your HDMI connections.

Highly recommended smile.gif

- Rich
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Originally Posted by jdlynch View Post

Thanks JD for the link. I'll be receiving my Wire World cable soon; I'll be able to do some comparisons then.

Yup! I'd bet the hdmi cable as well.
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I also have owned a few Pre Pro's Integra - Pioneer - Anthem - Onkyo and I'm not saying the sound of the 8801 is bad , what I'm saying is when I A/B the 8801 vs my EE Dac I hear a huge difference the EE sounds better . I don't see how a 886 vs a 8801 XT32 aside makes a difference , if my Dac had a volume control I would need either .

So the good sound you're experiencing is from the EE through the 8801? if this is the case keep in mind that its abilities as a 2/ch pre should be considered here as its allowed you to hear the difference between some nice dac's and this may not be so with the Onkyo. I still give the nudge to my 105 for 2/ch playback using the xlr's to the 8801, but stand by the 8801 for all things multi/ch with Audyssey. best of both wink.gif
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

What length is your HDMI cable?

I Monoprice Redmere cables from 3 to 15 feet and all work perfectly.
They are very thin and put no force on your HDMI connections.

Highly recommended smile.gif

- Rich


Monoprice Redmere work great never had an issue
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

Let me chip in. XT32 works for 5.1 as well, and if you use 5.2 it's much, much better. The single biggest difference in SQ is upgrading from XT to XT32 (biggest difference is quality of the unit itself).

Now about the 886: I used to own the 885 (I actually "upgraded" from a Lexicon MC-12 to the 885) and I hated it. The 885 sounded like a cheap receiver to me. Assuming the 886 is not much difference, you get the point. From the 885 I went to the AV8003 (much, much better), to the AV7005 (not that much different than the AV8003), to the AV8801. The AV8801 is the first processor that reminds me of my Lexicon, and actually makes me forget my beloved MC12.

To summarize: upgrading from a 886 to a AV7701 or better, AV8801 will be a huge upgrade in my humble opinion.

And I'm sure you are using the 8801 for music vs a Dac correct ?
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

So the good sound you're experiencing is from the EE through the 8801? if this is the case keep in mind that its abilities as a 2/ch pre should be considered here as its allowed you to hear the difference between some nice dac's and this may not be so with the Onkyo. I still give the nudge to my 105 for 2/ch playback using the xlr's to the 8801, but stand by the 8801 for all things multi/ch with Audyssey. best of both wink.gif


I will be trying the 886 before selling the 8801 thats for sure , I agree 100% with your post . But I perfer the sound from the EE over the 105 or the W4S Dac 2 I also owned . Either way they all are great units .

Also I agree I didn't give the 105 enough time for break in , but that wasn't the main reason I got rid of it , I got rid of it because I wanted a stand alone Dac
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

What length is your HDMI cable?

I Monoprice Redmere cables from 3 to 15 feet and all work perfectly.
They are very thin and put no force on your HDMI connections.

Highly recommended smile.gif

- Rich

I'm using a 50 foot Redmere and it works great.
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Thread Starter 
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And I'm sure you are using the 8801 for music vs a Dac correct ?

Correct
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