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Originally Posted by chatanika View Post

set your speakers to small which will send bass to the sub.
Even with 2-channel recordings?
post #7502 of 11280
Yes even for 2 channel.
post #7503 of 11280
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Here are a couple of things to try!

1. for multi/ch sacd use Audyssey Dynamic EQ and use 5 from reference or 0 as this will restore a lot of lost bass on 5.0 sacd, you may or may not like it , I do on some recordings

2. for cd use the LFE+main setting in the manual speaker settings

I use the multi-analog inputs, so I bypass Audyssey and its evil down sampling! smile.gif

Clearly, the Zones are designed to provide signal to other inputs. I suppose it's another issue with this POS preamp.
post #7504 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I use the multi-analog inputs, so I bypass Audyssey and its evil down sampling! smile.gif

Clearly, the Zones are designed to provide signal to other inputs. I suppose it's another issue with this POS preamp.

Aha ! I use the bypass FR/FL dynamic eq at 5 and it kills the analog performance with power and grace and is jaw dropping at times( 105 set to bitstream and set to DSD), and even without the bypass it still prefer it to the analog its much more engaging. Now 2/ch its analog outs from the 105 via xlr all day long biggrin.gif
post #7505 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I use the multi-analog inputs, so I bypass Audyssey and its evil down sampling! smile.gif

Clearly, the Zones are designed to provide signal to other inputs. I suppose it's another issue with this POS preamp.
Looks like your looking to output the stereo signal to your sub simultaneously like a tape out function. If your using XLR for your output to an amp you should be able to plug in the L R RCA outputs to your sub or vice versa
post #7506 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I want to get more use from my subwoofer in my multi-channel system. Most of my SACDs are 5.0, and obviously, none of my RBCDs will send any signal to it. So, I thought I'd plug my woofer into the Zone Two outputs on my 8801, but I don't get any signal (I also tried Zone 3 to no avail). Everything looks OK via the setup menu, so I don't know why I don't get any signal. Suggestions?



To get output to your sub when using LFE set your front speakers to small, It is the same with any Denon/Marantz AVR or pre. Regardless of how "big" your speakers are, when using a sub they must be set to small when using the LFE setting. I'm not sure what your trying to do with the other zones, perhaps you don't have them turned on. But if your using one or two subs there are the appropriate outputs on the 8801.
Edited by comfynumb - 8/10/13 at 5:46am
post #7507 of 11280
If you want more bass with x.0 content, use the LFE+Main setting and the high-pass filter setting.
This will duplicate the bass and send it to the sub.

LFE is the .1 channel intended for the sub.
I am not sure if the Marantz can send the .1 to the mains if the sub is turned off.

LFE+Main worksfor all digital or digitized inputs. Meaning, All but the 7.1 analog inputs.

- Rich
post #7508 of 11280
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Originally Posted by GerryWaz View Post

Still enjoying the AV8801. smile.gif Best purchase this year.

One benefit from the last update for us was that auto-shutoff started working with that firmware upgrade. Didn't work before then.

Anyway, when we watch cable TV, we have an issue with just one channel--BBC America. The wife loves Doctor Who and we just started watching Broadchurch.

Our setup is 7.1 and the sound balance, after numerous runs with Audyssey is great with everything--except BBC America. It seems certain shows have the rear channels mixed too loud. Drives the wife bonkers since we sit closer to the rears than the fronts. Only BBC America shows do that to her. I usually end up switching to stereo to please here.

Anyone else experience something like that? If so, how do you handle it with the AV8801?

Thanks!

I have this happen in quite a few video games actually. Dead Space 3 for instance. I actually bought the 8801 while I was halfway through this game.

Coming from my old Rotel it was insane how much louder it would be in the rear of the room.

Thought it would be like this for everything and I would have to lower my levels, turns out that was not the case at all. Other games I have played since are much quieter back there.

Another loud one is Skyrim, tons of ambient noise and such from the rears.

Not sure what the trigger is, must be something in the way the source material is mixed.
post #7509 of 11280
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

What is the use of the proxy server in the net work menu?

Short answer is Proxy servers let you hide your identity by allowing you to appear like you are in a different geographical area connected to the internet.

Long answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server
post #7510 of 11280
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Originally Posted by cofn42 View Post

Short answer is Proxy servers let you hide your identity by allowing you to appear like you are in a different geographical area connected to the internet.

Long answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server


Thanks. In the context of my 8801 what would be the use?
post #7511 of 11280
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

Thanks. In the context of my 8801 what would be the use?

Some people run their whole network behind a proxy server, so right at your router level it would be programmed in, if that was the case you would need to enter this info here.

To be honest I could not think of a single reason to need to do this, but it is in there just in case your network is configured that way.

You will see it on anything that connects to the internet, from PS3 and Xbox to home PCs and servers.
post #7512 of 11280
Thanks. I am trying to use JRRiver to feed music from my PC. Sometimes it sees the 8801 sometimes not. JR River always sees my oppo 103,
post #7513 of 11280
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

To get output to your sub when using LFE set your front speakers to small, It is the same with any Denon/Marantz AVR or pre. Regardless of how "big" your speakers are, when using a sub they must be set to small when using the LFE setting. I'm not sure what your trying to do with the other zones, perhaps you don't have them turned on. But if your using one or two subs there are the appropriate outputs on the 8801.

Since I'm using the analog inputs, I don't think the LFE settings will affect anything. I'm trying to use the Zone output simply to have a signal to send to my subs for all sources, not just multi-channel SACDs or Blu ray discs.
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Since I'm using the analog inputs, I don't think the LFE settings will affect anything. I'm trying to use the Zone output simply to have a signal to send to my subs for all sources, not just multi-channel SACDs or Blu ray discs.



You'll have to see what the other guys using the analogs have to say, I stopped using them years ago. I use HDMI and my sub works with any source or format.
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Hello ppl,im new to this forum,i have a question to you guys regarding dedicated stereo.I've just purchased myself an Oppo BDP-105 and a Marantz av 8801, and i would like to use to play my cd disks (beside HT) as if it would be a standalone HI-FI deticated stereo system,means play stereo music to use my FL/FR speakers (Monitor Audio RX8) full range,with bass as i said as if it was a dedicated hifi standalone system, i don't want to engage my subwoofer,only pure stereo.What settings do i need to change in the Oppo and Marantz av8801.And whats the best cable i could use for a perfect SQ.Right now i have Chord Anthem2 RCA cables which are connected from a Rotel RCD-1520 cd-player to a Rotel RC-1580 Stereo Preamp then to Rotel RB-1572 power amp (also chord anthem2 RCA cables).Would those cables be enough for a perfect stereo SQ or would lt better to buy some XLR cables instead? If the case is so (XLR), would it be better then?(connect xlr from oppo to Marantz av8801)?But then again,my power amps (Rotel RB-1572 and Rotel RMB-1575) ain't supporting XLR only RCA.

Thanks for taking your time guys to read my question.Hopefully someone can guide me to this sollution.

Regards

Meffy
post #7516 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Since I'm using the analog inputs, I don't think the LFE settings will affect anything. I'm trying to use the Zone output simply to have a signal to send to my subs for all sources, not just multi-channel SACDs or Blu ray discs.

This is true only for the 7.1 analog inputs.
All other analog inputs, including the XLR, benefit from the LFE+Main because they can be digitized.

- Rich
post #7517 of 11280
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Originally Posted by cofn42 View Post

I have this happen in quite a few video games actually. Dead Space 3 for instance. I actually bought the 8801 while I was halfway through this game.

Coming from my old Rotel it was insane how much louder it would be in the rear of the room.

Thought it would be like this for everything and I would have to lower my levels, turns out that was not the case at all. Other games I have played since are much quieter back there.

Another loud one is Skyrim, tons of ambient noise and such from the rears.

Not sure what the trigger is, must be something in the way the source material is mixed.

Are you using Audyssey?
When I engaged it, there was a significant boost the rear channels.
Overdone, IMHO.

I recommend getting meter and checking the levels.

- Rich
post #7518 of 11280
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Are you using Audyssey?
When I engaged it, there was a significant boost the rear channels.
Overdone, IMHO.

I recommend getting meter and checking the levels.

- Rich

Indeed I am using Audyssey.

The strange part though is it is not all content, that is the part that makes me think it must be source material related.

I will be breaking out the meter once we move, right now it is a minor annoyance only some of the time. Once we get settled in the new home and theater I will be doing a major calibration.
post #7519 of 11280
I've tried resetting the microprocessor according to the manual (turn on the unit via the power/standby button while simultaneously pressing Game and Sleep), but even that doesn't work! I've tried it about 10 times, but the display never flashes. Sigh...I submitted an inquiry to their Customer Service, but I'm not holding my breath for a speedy reply! Something tells me they're no Oppo in that regard.
Edited by bwv1080 - 8/10/13 at 10:55am
post #7520 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I've tried resetting the microprocessor according to the manual (turn on the unit via the power/standby button while simultaneously pressing Game and Sleep), but even that doesn't work! I've tried it about 10 times, but the display never flashes. Sigh...I submitted an inquiry to their Customer Service, but I'm not holding my breath for a speedy reply! Something tells me they're no Oppo in that regard.



Marantz will get back to you but it could take up to two weeks. I've contacted them twice and they've gotten back to me both times. I'm not sure if you have the latest firmware, if not its a good idea to update. Good luck smile.gif
post #7521 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I've tried resetting the microprocessor according to the manual (turn on the unit via the power/standby button while simultaneously pressing Game and Sleep), but even that doesn't work! I've tried it about 10 times, but the display never flashes. Sigh...I submitted an inquiry to their Customer Service, but I'm not holding my breath for a speedy reply! Something tells me they're no Oppo in that regard.

Do you have an hdmi from the 105 to the 8801? and why the reset ?
post #7522 of 11280
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Are you using Audyssey?
When I engaged it, there was a significant boost the rear channels.
Overdone, IMHO.


I recommend getting meter and checking the levels.

- Rich

Did you turn dynamic EQ off after running Audyssey? it's set to on after the calibration and indeed does boost the surrounds.
post #7523 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I've tried resetting the microprocessor according to the manual (turn on the unit via the power/standby button while simultaneously pressing Game and Sleep), but even that doesn't work! I've tried it about 10 times, but the display never flashes. Sigh...I submitted an inquiry to their Customer Service, but I'm not holding my breath for a speedy reply! Something tells me they're no Oppo in that regard.



Why not just use HDMI?
post #7524 of 11280
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Did you turn dynamic EQ off after running Audyssey? it's set to on after the calibration and indeed does boost the surrounds.

No, at the time, I did not realize it was on.
At some point, I plan to try it again and measure the room response with my OmniMic 2.

- Rich
post #7525 of 11280
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Originally Posted by Meffy View Post

Hello ppl,im new to this forum,i have a question to you guys regarding dedicated stereo.I've just purchased myself an Oppo BDP-105 and a Marantz av 8801, and i would like to use to play my cd disks (beside HT) as if it would be a standalone HI-FI deticated stereo system,means play stereo music to use my FL/FR speakers (Monitor Audio RX8) full range,with bass as i said as if it was a dedicated hifi standalone system, i don't want to engage my subwoofer,only pure stereo.What settings do i need to change in the Oppo and Marantz av8801.And whats the best cable i could use for a perfect SQ.Right now i have Chord Anthem2 RCA cables which are connected from a Rotel RCD-1520 cd-player to a Rotel RC-1580 Stereo Preamp then to Rotel RB-1572 power amp (also chord anthem2 RCA cables).Would those cables be enough for a perfect stereo SQ or would lt better to buy some XLR cables instead? If the case is so (XLR), would it be better then?(connect xlr from oppo to Marantz av8801)?But then again,my power amps (Rotel RB-1572 and Rotel RMB-1575) ain't supporting XLR only RCA.

Thanks for taking your time guys to read my question.Hopefully someone can guide me to this sollution.

Regards

Meffy

Hi and welcome to the 8801 club smile.gif

I have my 8801 and Oppo 105 setup for both the 2 channel purist in me and the movie lover as well and have set it accordingly so below is how I have it configured.

For 2 channel/ multi ch, I have the 105 set up in its setup menu

1.) HDMI set to A/V split ( use HDMI to the display and HDMI 2 to the 8801's bluray input) and HDMI audio set to bitstream
2.) Set it to DSD for SACD ( I use stereo as the main default)
3.) You will need to set the distance setting in the 105 for the FR/FL channels in the speaker setup menu, leaving the others at their default settings.

On the 8801 side

1.) For the rca or Xlr outs of the 105 ( I use Morrow Audio MA4 XLR's wink.gif ) connect them to the CD input on the 8801 (best sound) and if XLR you need to go into the 8801's Input menu and assign the XLR's to the CD input and rename as you wish ( I renamed it Oppo XLR) when listening use the Pure Direct mode which is on the remote. This the 2 ch purist playback option that will impress while using the 8801 as a preamp.

For the Multi ch be it Movies, Music or even if you want to know how good the 8801 sounds on its own ( which it does)

1.) here you need to first go to the Audyssey thread and read 101 if you haven't and purchase a boom mic stand ( extremely important for the best possible calibration)

2.) Once the above is done ! the reward is multi/ch playback that is unreal for multi ch/ SACD and movies or Prologic II for music( which is already set up in the 105 for the best possible sound )

And lastly do try different cables after you gauge the sound and burn in, as both the 8801 and the 105 benefit from the upgrade ( naysayers post here tongue.gif) you know have what i consider the best of both worlds and just may be the current SOTA in playback of all source material and setup the way noted above, its all at the touch of a button wink.gif
post #7526 of 11280
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

No, at the time, I did not realize it was on.
At some point, I plan to try it again and measure the room response with my OmniMic 2.

- Rich

I'm glad to hear you'll give it another try RichB, as I've ways to get it to sound on par with analog and better overall, the final result once done right adds more Fidelity and realism and can turn even a an already well positioned and treated room into a venue or recording studio ( tall order I know) when you're ready P.M me and give you a few tricks that make a world of difference and solves many in view the reasons why most don't bother with it wink.gif
post #7527 of 11280
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Do you have an hdmi from the 105 to the 8801? and why the reset ?

Yes, I have an HDMI connected for Blu ray purposes. I'm hoping a reset might clear up some of the bugs. I'm also trying a firmware update, but alas, it wont connect. My next step is to connect my Oppo directly to my amp and toss the Marantz out the window! smile.gif
post #7528 of 11280
Before I toss it out, can someone provide a link to a firmware update since I can't connect? The only one I have found is for European products.
post #7529 of 11280
Is you google am sure you will find the support page you need .

Also if you google you will a reference in this thread to the person who can send you a zip file for you to upload the new firmware from a USB drive.

I do understand your issues with the issues you are having. Here is Marantz support email. It is the weekend however.


marantz1@mailmw.custhelp.com
Edited by jmschnur - 8/10/13 at 3:32pm
post #7530 of 11280
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Yes, I have an HDMI connected for Blu ray purposes. I'm hoping a reset might clear up some of the bugs. I'm also trying a firmware update, but alas, it wont connect. My next step is to connect my Oppo directly to my amp and toss the Marantz out the window! smile.gif

I'm not sure why you're not using it for multi/ch DSD as well, I noted the way to go about it in the post above, have you given it a shot? as for the internet connect does your network see the 8801 ?and how are you connected?
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