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post #8041 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Yes, the slap or hand clap generates echo.
The .1 content comment makes sense, It didn't affect me much as I hardly watched movies but I'll hook them up to SW out jacks. I did try the SUB EQ HT from Audyssey, it didn't help much, speakers levels still extremely low. How do I get the gain down for my monoblocks?

Quoted from jdsmoothie who replied about reducing the gain from your amps



You would be well served reviewing the Audyssey 101/FAQ and Marantz 8801 Owner's threads linked below ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51700_100#post_21783025



Also, unless there is a gain knob on the amps, you will likely need to add some attenuators (eg. below if using RCA) to the amp cables so that you are not getting such high volume level settings. A setting of -12db means the correction is maxed out and needs to be adjusted and Audyssey run again until it gets set closer to 0db without manuall adjusting it on the 8801.

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post #8042 of 11290
JT

Couple of suggestions, you have a massive room so pull the rear lounge forward of the wall to give your rear channels a chance. Also you could then bring one of your two subs to the rear.

Have you run Audyssey? If you you can I would look at connecting the two subs to Sw1 and SW2 make sure the sub gain is level matched and that you defeat the crossover on the subs & let the 8801 do its stuff, if you like more bass after running audyssey just bump up the trim 3-5db and see how it goes.

You've got plenty of good kit just need a bit of playing around with the setup. Expensive option would be to go for more woofage eg subM HP but I think you should be able to improve on what you've got
post #8043 of 11290
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

+1
Mine came in at 7 minutes.
As did mine. Now what did it fix?
post #8044 of 11290
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Originally Posted by matthewa View Post

JT

Couple of suggestions, you have a massive room so pull the rear lounge forward of the wall to give your rear channels a chance. Also you could then bring one of your two subs to the rear.

Have you run Audyssey? If you you can I would look at connecting the two subs to Sw1 and SW2 make sure the sub gain is level matched and that you defeat the crossover on the subs & let the 8801 do its stuff, if you like more bass after running audyssey just bump up the trim 3-5db and see how it goes.

You've got plenty of good kit just need a bit of playing around with the setup. Expensive option would be to go for more woofage eg subM HP but I think you should be able to improve on what you've got

Thanks Matthew... I'll try moving the rear couch forward and see what happens. Not ready to move one sub to the rear yet for cosmetic reason. Anyway, the 802's putting out quite a bit of bass driven by those Emotiva 1KW monoblocks compare to my old Denon 5308.
post #8045 of 11290
there is a new firmware? 3325-3843-4484
post #8046 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Thanks Matthew... I'll try moving the rear couch forward and see what happens. Not ready to move one sub to the rear yet for cosmetic reason. Anyway, the 802's putting out quite a bit of bass driven by those Emotiva 1KW monoblocks compare to my old Denon 5308.

Hi jt-hifi! and welcome to the club wink.gif Let's see if we can get you a good setup done until you get around to exploring the wonderful world of acoustical treatments. but first a couple of important questions.

1.) Are you using rca or xlr connections?

2.) Do you own a tripod or boom mic stand for the Audyssey mic ?

3.) Did you use the dynamic Eq ? and what did the calibration results set the trims and crossovers to ( please post each speaker)
post #8047 of 11290
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Originally Posted by tocom View Post

there is a new firmware? 3325-3843-4484


Trying to find more information on this.

Where did you hear about this?
post #8048 of 11290
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Originally Posted by JoeMG View Post

Does anyone know where to find the changelog for today's firmware update?

Yup ... keep checking post #1 which I'll update when I get it, although likely the same as the changelog for the Denon XX13 models a few days ago ...

- Random feature in Spotify follows to Pandora
- The source doesn't change into SiriusXM even if SiriusXM is select by Apps
- "File format error" and "Track not found" are displayed by playing a specific iRadio station, and if is pushed, the display become empty "Playview".
post #8049 of 11290
I posted a pic on page 268 of the soffit where I could install high and or wide speakers. It was the last post on the page so may have been missed. Any feedback would be appreciated. Come on Thursday....
post #8050 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Marantz AV8801 Pre/Pro
2 X Emotiva XPR1 1000W Monoblock Amp
Oppo 105 BluRay Player
2 x B&W 802 Diamond Speakers
4 x Infinity Small Speakers (Surround sides and back)
2 x SVS PB12+ Ultra 500W Subwoofer
65" Panasonic Plasma TV
very nice
post #8051 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Yes, the slap or hand clap generates echo.
The .1 content comment makes sense, It didn't affect me much as I hardly watched movies but I'll hook them up to SW out jacks. I did try the SUB EQ HT from Audyssey, it didn't help much, speakers levels still extremely low. How do I get the gain down for my monoblocks?

As has been suggested the line attenuators you can get from audyssey work great for this, but acoustic treatments properly placed will also attenuate the response pretty well at the listening position. Another good place to shop for treatments is ATSacoustics.com

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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Hi jt-hifi! and welcome to the club wink.gif Let's see if we can get you a good setup done until you get around to exploring the wonderful world of acoustical treatments. but first a couple of important questions.

1.) Are you using rca or xlr connections?

2.) Do you own a tripod or boom mic stand for the Audyssey mic ?

3.) Did you use the dynamic Eq ? and what did the calibration results set the trims and crossovers to ( please post each speaker)

I agree with audiofan here, list these things out for us, as well as speaker and sub distances etc so we have a better idea where audyssey is setting your system up. The proof may be in the proverbial pudding and a lot of this can be easily addressed with a few clicks biggrin.gif
post #8052 of 11290
FWIW, some types of acoustic panels can have artwork silk-screened onto them. This can make them quite a bit more acceptable in some environments.
post #8053 of 11290
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

FWIW, some types of acoustic panels can have artwork silk-screened onto them. This can make them quite a bit more acceptable in some environments.

atsacoustics can actually screen print any type of file you send them so you could even do a family portrait acoustic panel or your favorite Salvador Dali painting
post #8054 of 11290
For those of you with challenging acoustic issues try http://www.auralex.com/ click on Free Personalized Room Analysis which I found to be quite detailed.

There are also some other tools\calculators\educational opportunities available on their site.

Not to mention all the ideas you will get from seeing their comprehensive product listing.
post #8055 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Thanks Matthew... I'll try moving the rear couch forward and see what happens. Not ready to move one sub to the rear yet for cosmetic reason. Anyway, the 802's putting out quite a bit of bass driven by those Emotiva 1KW monoblocks compare to my old Denon 5308.
Hi jt-hifi!
A beautiful set up and room you have there!
But all those hard surfaces must 'do a number' on the sound!
I agree with the others here who have suggested room treatments first - throw rug (a BIG one!), acoustic wall panels (damn the 'WAF' - full speed ahead!), and someone else mentioned making sure your AV8801 stays cool, as we've all found that this surround processor does put out a lot of heat! (consider adding a fan or move it into the clear some how.
Your room seating looks far away from the screen too, but maybe that's an illusion(?).
In any case, if you acoustically treat the room, then re-run Audyssey, I think you'll be amazed at the improvements.

(Lastly, I'm not buying the need for attenuators on the amps, they're 29db gain and shouldn't need it, Audyssey will compensate for any level variations anyway...).
Good luck, and report back! tongue.gif
post #8056 of 11290
Trivial question guys but I have to know. I'm watching ST Into Darkness and the audio is 7.1 TrueHD, but the 8801 says DTS surround. Is this normal? I never took notice before.
post #8057 of 11290
Use your remote (movie below 1) and push movie to see e what is playing. Then hold that button and use the arrows to find and then choose wheat you want.
post #8058 of 11290
I did and TrueHD wasn't an option, strange.
post #8059 of 11290
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Trivial question guys but I have to know. I'm watching ST Into Darkness and the audio is 7.1 TrueHD, but the 8801 says DTS surround. Is this normal? I never took notice before.

Hi comfynumb, if the BD player had a recent update maybe the audio settings got change back to default. Double check audio output is set to Bitstream and Secondary Audio is disabled.
post #8060 of 11290
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi comfynumb, if the BD player had a recent update maybe the audio settings got change back to default. Double check audio output is set to Bitstream and Secondary Audio is disabled.



Hi, I will look at that tomorrow, and it has to be an error on my part. Thanks smile.gif
post #8061 of 11290
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Hi jt-hifi! and welcome to the club wink.gif Let's see if we can get you a good setup done until you get around to exploring the wonderful world of acoustical treatments. but first a couple of important questions.

1.) Are you using rca or xlr connections?

2.) Do you own a tripod or boom mic stand for the Audyssey mic ?

3.) Did you use the dynamic Eq ? and what did the calibration results set the trims and crossovers to ( please post each speaker)

Thanks Audiofan, BeastAudio...

Answering your questions and appreciate any help from any club members:
1) All XLR connections from AV8801 to all FL & FL monoblocks amps and the 5-channel amp. RCA connections to the 2 subs. Not sure you need source inputs coming into the AV8801, they are combo of XLRs, HDMIs and coax digitals.

2) Yes, I mounted Audyssey mic on my tripod and sat it on the couch with the mic tip at my ear level and ran the Audyssey setup a few times this way. But, the tripod setup exposed the mic even closer to back wall. To minimize the back wall reflection problem, I even tried running the setup without the tripod and sat the mic directly in on a laundry basket, lowering the mic to about 3/4 height of the couch back level and on top of 2 blankets covering the leather couch to absorb the potential reflection from the smooth leather surface.

3) Yes, I have he dynamic EQ on. With if off, it sounds thin. Here are my current readings from the calibration:
Distance in ft:
FL: 12.6
FR: 12.9
Subwoofer1: 14.2
Subwoofer2: 14.5
Surround L: 4.7
Surround R: 5.5
Surr. Back L: 5.4
Surr. Back R: 5.4
I don't have a center channel

Levels in dB:
FL: -8.0
FR: -9.0
Sub1: -10.0
Sub2: -10.0
SRL: -9.0
SRR: -7.5
SRB-L: -11.5
SRB-R: -11.5

Crossovers:
Front: Full Band
Surround: 40Hz
Surr. Back: 100Hz

Below are the equalization graphs:





I'm looking forward to getting an area carpet/rug put in soon and re-run the calibration. In the mean time, appreciate any observations. Thanks folks!

JT
post #8062 of 11290
I got my 8801 back today from the repair center...my it's nice to have it in the system again! I grant that the Oppo connected directly to my amp sounded a little warmer, but the sound is far more detailed with the 8801 and Audyssey engaged (plus returning to my Sony 5400 SACD player). I'm going to quit worrying about bits/hertz per second and just enjoy the music in all its glory!
post #8063 of 11290
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I got my 8801 back today from the repair center...my it's nice to have it in the system again! I grant that the Oppo connected directly to my amp sounded a little warmer, but the sound is far more detailed with the 8801 and Audyssey engaged (plus returning to my Sony 5400 SACD player). I'm going to quit worrying about bits/hertz per second and just enjoy the music in all its glory!
I will be using both players in my system as well. How do you like Sony (SCD-XA5400ES) for redbook CD's compared to Oppo BDP-105?
post #8064 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Thanks Audiofan, BeastAudio...

Answering your questions and appreciate any help from any club members:
1) All XLR connections from AV8801 to all FL & FL monoblocks amps and the 5-channel amp. RCA connections to the 2 subs. Not sure you need source inputs coming into the AV8801, they are combo of XLRs, HDMIs and coax digitals.

2) Yes, I mounted Audyssey mic on my tripod and sat it on the couch with the mic tip at my ear level and ran the Audyssey setup a few times this way. But, the tripod setup exposed the mic even closer to back wall. To minimize the back wall reflection problem, I even tried running the setup without the tripod and sat the mic directly in on a laundry basket, lowering the mic to about 3/4 height of the couch back level and on top of 2 blankets covering the leather couch to absorb the potential reflection from the smooth leather surface.

3) Yes, I have he dynamic EQ on. With if off, it sounds thin. Here are my current readings from the calibration:
Distance in ft:
FL: 12.6
FR: 12.9
Subwoofer1: 14.2
Subwoofer2: 14.5
Surround L: 4.7
Surround R: 5.5
Surr. Back L: 5.4
Surr. Back R: 5.4
I don't have a center channel

Levels in dB:
FL: -8.0
FR: -9.0
Sub1: -10.0
Sub2: -10.0
SRL: -9.0
SRR: -7.5
SRB-L: -11.5
SRB-R: -11.5

Crossovers:
Front: Full Band
Surround: 40Hz
Surr. Back: 100Hz

Below are the equalization graphs:





I'm looking forward to getting an area carpet/rug put in soon and re-run the calibration. In the mean time, appreciate any observations. Thanks folks!

JT
As for the levels go your fine, nothing seems to be bottoming out at -12 so don't sweat the attenuators. Now as for Audyssey pulling the couch out and if possible 6ft from the rear wall may take care of some of it. sliding the mic over an inch or two to the right will help the fr/fl distance be the same. Use a towel over the MLP back rest of the couch and use the tripod only at ear level ( run the first position and check settings) keep the subs on the sub1 and sub 2 outputs on the 8801, if you want more bass for music use the LFE+main or set the mains to small and cross them over at the desired frequency . As for movies DEQ may boost the levels enough in bass but if not use the crossover on the mains and set them to 80hz and boost the surrounds crossover to 80-90hz as well, this should send more bass to the subs which may be positioned better to smooth things out.

So to get things started by ear pull the couch out a foot at a time till you can get a full 2ft from the rear ( but do try 4-6Ft) get the rug and place in the main first reflection zone to help tame floor bounce Should be along the front near the mains. Listen and when satisfied run Audyssey again!

Hope this helps for now smile.gif
post #8065 of 11290
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

As for the levels go your fine, nothing seems to be bottoming out at -12 so don't sweat the attenuators. Now as for Audyssey pulling the couch out and if possible 6ft from the rear wall may take care of some of it. sliding the mic over an inch or two to the right will help the fr/fl distance be the same. Use a towel over the MLP back rest of the couch and use the tripod only at ear level ( run the first position and check settings) keep the subs on the sub1 and sub 2 outputs on the 8801, if you want more bass for music use the LFE+main or set the mains to small and cross them over at the desired frequency . As for movies DEQ may boost the levels enough in bass but if not use the crossover on the mains and set them to 80hz and boost the surrounds crossover to 80-90hz as well, this should send more bass to the subs which may be positioned better to smooth things out.

So to get things started by ear pull the couch out a foot at a time till you can get a full 2ft from the rear ( but do try 4-6Ft) get the rug and place in the main first reflection zone to help tame floor bounce Should be along the front near the mains. Listen and when satisfied run Audyssey again!

Hope this helps for now smile.gif

Thanks for your advice, Audiofan. I'll get a rug put in tomorrow, move the couch, implement your recommended settings and re-run the calibration and report back. Phew, it's a relief that I don't need the attenuator, otherwise, I would have defeated the main purpose of getting those powerful amps in the first place. I really appreciate your advice

Thanks to all who suggested the acoustic panels. Let me try Audiofan's suggestions first and see how things improve before pursuing those wall treatments.
post #8066 of 11290
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

As for the levels go your fine, nothing seems to be bottoming out at -12 so don't sweat the attenuators. Now as for Audyssey pulling the couch out and if possible 6ft from the rear wall may take care of some of it. sliding the mic over an inch or two to the right will help the fr/fl distance be the same. Use a towel over the MLP back rest of the couch and use the tripod only at ear level ( run the first position and check settings) keep the subs on the sub1 and sub 2 outputs on the 8801, if you want more bass for music use the LFE+main or set the mains to small and cross them over at the desired frequency . As for movies DEQ may boost the levels enough in bass but if not use the crossover on the mains and set them to 80hz and boost the surrounds crossover to 80-90hz as well, this should send more bass to the subs which may be positioned better to smooth things out.

So to get things started by ear pull the couch out a foot at a time till you can get a full 2ft from the rear ( but do try 4-6Ft) get the rug and place in the main first reflection zone to help tame floor bounce Should be along the front near the mains. Listen and when satisfied run Audyssey again!

Hope this helps for now smile.gif

Actually, the area rug will help somewhat with attenuating one of the main reflection points, which should drop your main's speaker level some as well. I agree that ONLY when the trims are consistently hitting -12 after calibration should attenuators be suggested, but it still wouldn't waste the power of the amp.

Only move the couch out if you intend on keeping it there, scooting it back after audyssey will do more harm than good.

One of my biggest quirks with audyssey is it often doesnt get the crossover region between your mains and your sub(s) correct. I saw a ridiculously bad integration when doing my setup when I set my mains to large and LFE+Main. Take a look at the purple line, that is how the mains and sub were cancelling each other out almost entirely in spots...It sounded terrible, but setting mains to small, and just letting the sub take care of all the LFE worked out perfect:

post #8067 of 11290
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Originally Posted by jt-hifi View Post

Crossovers:
Front: Full Band
Surround: 40Hz
Surr. Back: 100Hz

Try changing the setting for the front speakers to "Small" and setting the crossover frequencies for them and the side-surrounds to 80Hz. (Don't change the rear-surrounds.) Quality subwoofers can handle the low bass frequencies much better than the best floor standing speakers for several reasons: the size of the drivers, placement within the room, and offloading the power supplies in the external amps.
post #8068 of 11290
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

With the vertical masking I got the biggest image possible given the height restriction I had between the ceiling and the top of the center channel speaker using only one screen
could you post an image of your system with the Stewart Screen retracted down, I'm very curious what this looks like. Thanks
post #8069 of 11290
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

could you post an image of your system with the Stewart Screen retracted down, I'm very curious what this looks like. Thanks

125" screen is lowering.





125" screen lowered without masking for 2.35 material.



Masking is lowering to prepare for 1.78 material on a 100" screen.



Masking is lowering.



Masking has lowered the image is a 2.35 dvd before zooming and raising the masking.



Projector is adjusting for 2.35 dvd and masking is rising.



Masking is rising.



Masking has completely risen and the projector has adjusted so we can watch a full 125" screen 2.35 dvd.



The pictures were taken in a lit/partially lit room so you can see the screen but unfortunately the image is washed out.
post #8070 of 11290
Very nice Discodol !
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