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post #8581 of 11301
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

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Nope! leave price out and put them side by side on a multiplicity of playback material derived from different sources and lets see what happens biggrin.gif I'll race you for pinks with my setup cool.gif

I have listened to some comparables in a double blind test...( Integra vs Anthem)...and there is a difference especially in 2 channel music reproduction

Home theater mode was a much closer comparison between the two...and ofcourse build quality goes without saying on the higher end

Is it worth the money?

just like anything else ..it depends on the buyers budget, desire and perception

Clearly ..they are not the best value..but neither is a Mercedes E class over a Toyota Camry...is the Benz really worth more than 2x times the cost of the Camry?

I think so...but the Camry is a WAY better value in so many ways

Warren
post #8582 of 11301
I occasionally watch movies via a USB reader plugged directly into my Samsung plasma. Last night is the 1st time I've tried this since getting the 8801. I ran the optical out from the plasma to the Marantz and have sound but realized I couldn't get the OSD after I changed the input on the TV to USB which made it a little tricky changing anything.

Is there a way to get the OSD in this case?
post #8583 of 11301
No: the 8801 is not providing the video signal, so it has nothing on which it can overlay its OSD. The video signal shown on the TV's screen is strictly internal to the TV.

An alternative way to do it would be to plug your USB device into a Blu-ray player and send the BDP's video signal through the 8801.

Unfortunately, plugging the USB device directly into the 8801 won't work, either. No receiver or pre/pro will generate video from a USB device which is directly connected to it. frown.gif
post #8584 of 11301
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

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Nope! leave price out and put them side by side on a multiplicity of playback material derived from different sources and lets see what happens biggrin.gif I'll race you for pinks with my setup cool.gif



I threw that statement out there to see what reactions I'd get biggrin.gif
My next step is (after adding one more sub) room treatments but I know it will be challenging because of the room. I'm looking to make my own acoustic panels, something decorative looking but as inexpensive as I can. I also need drapes for several windows as they are my first reflection point. But I don't know what to get. So if you have any ideas please PM me audiofan, or anyone could PM me with ideas thanks.
Dammit Jim I'm a doctor not an interior designer biggrin.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 10/8/13 at 8:26am
post #8585 of 11301
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

No: the 8801 is not providing the video signal, so it has nothing on which it can overlay its OSD. The video signal shown on the TV's screen is strictly internal to the TV.

An alternative way to do it would be to plug your USB device into a Blu-ray player and send the BDP's video signal through the 8801.

Unfortunately, plugging the USB device directly into the 8801 won't work, either. No receiver or pre/pro will generate video from a USB device which is directly connected to it. frown.gif

Thanks, I didn't think to go thru the BD player, I will give that a shot next time!
Edited by Homebrew101 - 10/8/13 at 10:13am
post #8586 of 11301
You're quite welcome.
post #8587 of 11301
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

I have listened to some comparables in a double blind test...( Integra vs Anthem)...and there is a difference especially in 2 channel music reproduction

Home theater mode was a much closer comparison between the two...and ofcourse build quality goes without saying on the higher end

Is it worth the money?

just like anything else ..it depends on the buyers budget, desire and perception

Clearly ..they are not the best value..but neither is a Mercedes E class over a Toyota Camry...is the Benz really worth more than 2x times the cost of the Camry?

I think so...but the Camry is a WAY better value in so many ways

Warren

These days my method of comparison for audio gear is to listen to high end separates and judge by ear for" Fidelity" that being 2/ch setups and multich setups independently and from there do my best to combine the best of both without wasting money on things I don't need . Once upon a time I thought it was all about the gear selection alone but about 8 years ago I went after upgrading the power (dedicated lines, cables conditioning) and after room acoustics which is now the foundation upon which it all rest. That changed everything and after many years of listening to gear I couldn't afford biggrin.gif my setup was that setup I spent many Saturday afternoons listening to and saying maybe one day.In short I have my nirvana smile.gif
post #8588 of 11301
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I threw that statement out there to see what reactions I'd get biggrin.gif
My next step is (after adding one more sub) room treatments but I know it will be challenging because of the room. I'm looking to make my own acoustic panels, something decorative looking but as inexpensive as I can. I also need drapes for several windows as they are my first reflection point. But I don't know what to get. So if you have any ideas please PM me audiofan, or anyone could PM me with ideas thanks.
Dammit Jim I'm a doctor not an interior designer biggrin.gif

"Come come Bones, young minds fresh ideas" biggrin.gif
Get started here wink.gif

http://www.atsacoustics.com/
post #8589 of 11301
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

"Come come Bones, young minds fresh ideas" biggrin.gif
Get started here wink.gif

http://www.atsacoustics.com/



Cool thanks AF. It's tough because my first reflection points are windows with mini blinds on them eek.gif I'm sure that's killing my sound right there.
post #8590 of 11301
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Cool thanks AF. It's tough because my first reflection points are windows with mini blinds on them eek.gif I'm sure that's killing my sound right there.

I'll try to post some pics later with some solutions , my left side has windows as well smile.gif
post #8591 of 11301
comfynumb.

You might consider heavy, thick drapes to supplement the window blinds. They would help both visually (by making the room darker) and audibly (by reducing reflections).
post #8592 of 11301
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I'll try to post some pics later with some solutions , my left side has windows as well smile.gif



I would appreciate that smile.gif
post #8593 of 11301
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

comfynumb.

You might consider heavy, thick drapes to supplement the window blinds. They would help both visually (by making the room darker) and audibly (by reducing reflections).



Hey Selden, I have heard this before and was wondering if leaving the mini blinds behind them would be ok, or should I just get rid of them?
post #8594 of 11301
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

These days my method of comparison for audio gear is to listen to high end separates and judge by ear for" Fidelity" that being 2/ch setups and multich setups independently and from there do my best to combine the best of both without wasting money on things I don't need . Once upon a time I thought it was all about the gear selection alone but about 8 years ago I went after upgrading the power (dedicated lines, cables conditioning) and after room acoustics which is now the foundation upon which it all rest. That changed everything and after many years of listening to gear I couldn't afford biggrin.gif my setup was that setup I spent many Saturday afternoons listening to and saying maybe one day.In short I have my nirvana smile.gif

and therein lies the perception factor...if YOU dont think you need it ...then more than likely YOU dont

another fine example of what I said earlier with that Toyota Camry/Mercedes E class comparison


Warren
post #8595 of 11301
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

These days my method of comparison for audio gear is to listen to high end separates and judge by ear for" Fidelity" that being 2/ch setups and multich setups independently and from there do my best to combine the best of both without wasting money on things I don't need . Once upon a time I thought it was all about the gear selection alone but about 8 years ago I went after upgrading the power (dedicated lines, cables conditioning) and after room acoustics which is now the foundation upon which it all rest. That changed everything and after many years of listening to gear I couldn't afford biggrin.gif my setup was that setup I spent many Saturday afternoons listening to and saying maybe one day.In short I have my nirvana smile.gif



That has to be a good feeling smile.gif
post #8596 of 11301
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hey Selden, I have heard this before and was wondering if leaving the mini blinds behind them would be ok, or should I just get rid of them?

I put black fabric blinds over my double windows to good effect. I got them at Home Depot . I have also used tapestries on my rear wall which is the same wall my double window is.

My treatments are in front with GIK 244s behind my Montis speakers as well as Black Auralex panels around my Kuro 151.
post #8597 of 11301
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

I put black fabric blinds over my double windows to good effect. I got them at Home Depot . I have also used tapestries on my rear wall which is the same wall my double window is.

My treatments are in front with GIK 244s behind my Montis speakers as well as Black Auralex panels around my Kuro 151.



Thanks for the ideas JM.
post #8598 of 11301
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

That has to be a good feeling smile.gif

It is!! Especially when the benefits of doing those two things are ten-fold going to improve your overall impression of your setup, without changing a single piece of gear. I've said it before and will say it again, I am amazed at the setups I see on this forum that rank in the 5 digits that have no acoustic treatments. Heck, before I began treating my room I had the JTR Triple12's and just didn't like 'em....Long story short, I could have treated and saved myself some money in other speakers along the way....That isn't discounting the fact that I still think the Danley's are a good step up from them, but having both the speaker and the room right, it makes it MUCH easier to fall in love with your setup. I know I know, the WAF comes into play in many cases, but even modest treating can be tastefully done and knock out two major problems at once, your dis-interested wife, and your room reflections biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Hehe
post #8599 of 11301
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

It is!! Especially when the benefits of doing those two things are ten-fold going to improve your overall impression of your setup, without changing a single piece of gear. I've said it before and will say it again, I am amazed at the setups I see on this forum that rank in the 5 digits that have no acoustic treatments. Heck, before I began treating my room I had the JTR Triple12's and just didn't like 'em....Long story short, I could have treated and saved myself some money in other speakers along the way....That isn't discounting the fact that I still think the Danley's are a good step up from them, but having both the speaker and the room right, it makes it MUCH easier to fall in love with your setup. I know I know, the WAF comes into play in many cases, but even modest treating can be tastefully done and knock out two major problems at once, your dis-interested wife, and your room reflections biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Hehe



Thanks beast, I'm looking into some treatments right now and will hopefully have some up within a week or so.
Edited by comfynumb - 10/8/13 at 5:16pm
post #8600 of 11301
So what is better for sound absorption, mineral wool or the stiffer foam that I see used in most panels online?
post #8601 of 11301
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

So what is better for sound absorption, mineral wool or the stiffer foam that I see used in most panels online?
Mineral wool would be better I believe.
Its thicker, but flexible, and absorbs lower frequencies better too I believe...
(But hey! I should talk - as I STILL don't have my two DIY front bass traps deployed...due to the 'WAF', maybe this next week when I've got some time, and can then also re-run Audyssey. She's softening, I can feel it! rolleyes.gif).
post #8602 of 11301
Madnorseman, DIY and WAF. I don't know you or your work but I know me, my work and the W. My DIY and my WAF are simply not compatible. It took me 5 years to get her to understand that my speakers stay where they are, be damned the occasional decor consultants recommendation to dump my wides. Bottom line, those traps may never be placed.
post #8603 of 11301
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Originally Posted by Mad Norseman View Post

Mineral wool would be better I believe.
Its thicker, but flexible, and absorbs lower frequencies better too I believe...
(But hey! I should talk - as I STILL don't have my two DIY front bass traps deployed...due to the 'WAF', maybe this next week when I've got some time, and can then also re-run Audyssey. She's softening, I can feel it! rolleyes.gif).



It looks like the wool ones are a little more economical, but I'm still doing my homework smile.gif
You must deploy the bass traps and tell me how they work, she will soften up eventually wink.gif
post #8604 of 11301
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

So what is better for sound absorption, mineral wool or the stiffer foam that I see used in most panels online?

Look Here buddy: http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm

The ats acoustic panels, the GIK panels and the fluffy stuff all get you pretty close. Too close for me to argue against one or the other.
post #8605 of 11301
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Look Here buddy: http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm

The ats acoustic panels, the GIK panels and the fluffy stuff all get you pretty close. Too close for me to argue against one or the other.



Thanks for the link. Yes and as far as I can tell it's not a big concern.

Is acoustically transparent paint or dye a gimmick? My GF and I were thinking about a design on the panels, just a thought, and I saw this online. I'm just skeptical.
post #8606 of 11301
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

TBH I can't see why using two HDMI cables would be better. The usual reason for using one for audio and one for video is if the AVR can't handle some aspect of the video stream - eg 3D. If your AVR can pass all the video info you want, there should be no advantage to using a single cable for audio and video (assuming the AVR itself isn't futzing the video, which I'd doubt in a unit of the calibre of the 8801.
I am using Duan HDMI Cables, even though I still cannot have an On-Screen Display; so it is inconvenient in that aspect.
The picture is being sent directly from my Marantz UD7007 to my T.V. and the quality is better than my previous Sony BDP-S790.
It just looks very nice on top of my Marantz AV8801 aesthetically.
The Sound is Awesome; I cannot complain.
I got the UD7007 at 2/3rd the regular price and I am very satisfied so far.
I like that the UD7007 can play the SACD and FLAC Files that my Sony could not do; much better sound than the CD or MP3 sounds.
Both the UD7007 and AV8801 will be kept for a long time to come.
smile.gif
post #8607 of 11301
I still have the hum issue with my 8801.

And have narrowed it down to :

LS center wire is running parallel to 2 powercords.
However , when the poweramp for the center is off there is still the hum from other channels.
Its hard to reach and alter the position of this LS wire and I cannot unplug these PC's
Could the hum still affect other channels even when the amp is off ?

The 8801 is next to a subwoofer and a large speaker.
Can the magnets affect the 8801?
post #8608 of 11301
The hum could be due either to ground currents or to pickup of radiated noise. My initial comments below are related to the latter possibility.

If you aren't already using them, you should consider using XLR cables between the pre/pro and your amps instead of RCA. That'll minimize noise picked up "through the air".

A simplified way of looking at it is that all wires act as antennas, broadcasting whatever's going through them and picking up whatever's being broadcast by the other cables. XLR connections use two wires with differential signals so they can cancel noise which is picked up in both wires. Speaker signals tend to be less sensitive to noise than line-level connections, because the speaker signals are at relatively high voltage and are driving a low impedance load, while line-level signals are at a low voltage driving a high impedance load.

In general, power cords need to be as far as possible from signal wires, and should cross at right angles if they need to go across one another.

One way to minimize ground currents is to plug everything into the same power outlet. If you can't do that, you need to make sure all of the equipment is plugged into the same power phase. Most homes in the U.S. are wired with two phases. Having some of your audio/video equipment (including computers) plugged into one of the phases and some into the other guarantees that you'll have ground currents and hum.

And another common cause is poorly grounded cable-TV equipment. Unplug it entirely: incoming cable, power and audio/video cables, to see if that helps.
post #8609 of 11301
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

The hum could be due either to ground currents or to pickup of radiated noise. My initial comments below are related to the latter possibility.

If you aren't already using them, you should consider using XLR cables between the pre/pro and your amps instead of RCA. That'll minimize noise picked up "through the air".

A simplified way of looking at it is that all wires act as antennas, broadcasting whatever's going through them and picking up whatever's being broadcast by the other cables. XLR connections use two wires with differential signals so they can cancel noise which is picked up in both wires. Speaker signals tend to be less sensitive to noise than line-level connections, because the speaker signals are at relatively high voltage and are driving a low impedance load, while line-level signals are at a low voltage driving a high impedance load.

In general, power cords need to be as far as possible from signal wires, and should cross at right angles if they need to go across one another.

One way to minimize ground currents is to plug everything into the same power outlet. If you can't do that, you need to make sure all of the equipment is plugged into the same power phase. Most homes in the U.S. are wired with two phases. Having some of your audio/video equipment (including computers) plugged into one of the phases and some into the other guarantees that you'll have ground currents and hum.

And another common cause is poorly grounded cable-TV equipment. Unplug it entirely: incoming cable, power and audio/video cables, to see if that helps.

Can XLR and RCA outputs be mixed on the AV8801?
post #8610 of 11301
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Originally Posted by staaled View Post

Can XLR and RCA outputs be mixed on the AV8801?

Yes smile.gif
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