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post #8671 of 11320
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Originally Posted by EZ-Rhino View Post

Of course the AV8003 was released in 2008 and wasn't replaced until 2012.



Which makes me think the 8801 might not be obsolete for 4 years also. Other than HDMI 2.0 there's not a lot of upgrades to be had IMO, no ATMOS yet if ever for HT. All speculation, so we'll wait and see. Again I doubt I'll be upgrading anytime soon, if it ever did not sound as good as the 8801 I'd be really bummed.
post #8672 of 11320
The AV9000 was announced in 1999. They didn't see any need to update it for about 9 years. It was THX Ultra certified and the AV8003 was Ultra2 certified. THX certification is a feature that they might consider including in the next pre/pro, although its utility is debatable. It might give them an excuse to give it a 9xxx model number, though wink.gif and increase the MSRP even more frown.gif
post #8673 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

The AV9000 was announced in 1999. They didn't see any need to update it for about 9 years. It was THX Ultra certified and the AV8003 was Ultra2 certified. THX certification is a feature that they might consider including in the next pre/pro, although its utility is debatable. It might give them an excuse to give it a 9xxx model number, though wink.gif and increase the MSRP even more frown.gif



Thanks for the info. I don't need any THX certification to tell me what my ears and eyes already know wink.gif IMO it just increases the price. Marantz has always been mid high end and should not get too big for their britches, they'll lose their consumer base, plus it looks like Yamaha and I hope others are waiting in the wings to gobble up anything left.
post #8674 of 11320
^^^
I've heard no mention of HDMI 2.0 for the 8801, but maybe one of the insiders here will make a comment.
post #8675 of 11320
From Sony's announcement, it seems that HDMI 2.0 is a hardware change, not a firmware upgrade.

The 1000ES projector for instance needs a whole new board to get HDMI 2.0 compliance. It is only the newer Sony projectors and TVs which have the hardware to support HDMI2.0 but will need a firmware update to achieve compliance.

The AV8801 is fundamentally the same design as the Denon 4520 and both are not designed with "upgradeability" in mind. Contrast this with the older Denon AVC-A1 pre/pro where the components are designed to be modular and upgradeable. To get HDMI 2.0 compliance on the 8801, you would have to gut just about every circuit board inside, and it would likely cost you the same as a new machine once you factor labor and shipping.

Even the AVC-A1 which was designed with modular boards could only do 3D passthrough IIRC and not a true 3D HDMI 1.4 spec like with our AV8801.

In any case, the main upgrade for HDMI 2.0 is in display resolution/framerate. I don't believe the audio spec has changed. As such, it might be quite trivial to get a dual HDMI 2.0 source so that one HDMI port feeds the display while the second feeds the AV8801. I was doing that with my Oppo 95 for the longest time before I upgraded my old Denon 4810 to the AV8801.

The other point is that if 4K blurays are going to in 24p framerate, we can still use HDMI 1.4 to transmit that. You will only need HDMI 2.0 if you are displaying 4k/48p or 60p.
post #8676 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

The other point is that if 4K blurays are going to in 24p framerate, we can still use HDMI 1.4 to transmit that. You will only need HDMI 2.0 if you are displaying 4k/48p or 60p.

To me the big POTENTIAL issue is the new HDCP standard. Will new 4K content sources, such as 4K blu ray, require the new HDCP standard. If so, suddenly everything in the chain needs to be HDMI 2.0 and folks with HDMI 1.4 are left with no capability to watch 4K content.
post #8677 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

In any case, the main upgrade for HDMI 2.0 is in display resolution/framerate. I don't believe the audio spec has changed. As such, it might be quite trivial to get a dual HDMI 2.0 source so that one HDMI port feeds the display while the second feeds the AV8801. I was doing that with my Oppo 95 for the longest time before I upgraded my old Denon 4810 to the AV8801.
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The audio spec in 2.0 has undergone a substantial upgrade: 32 channels and a higher maximum bitrate. However, individual manufacturers don't have to implement the entire spec. That's one reason, I'm sure, that the HDMI licensing organization requires that manufacturers no longer claim to implement a particular version, but do have to list the features they provide.

More info about v2.0 is available at http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx
but you have to be a licensee in order to get the complete specs.
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What’s new in HDMI 2.0?
HDMI 2.0 significantly increases bandwidth to 18Gbps and includes the following advanced features:

Resolutions up to 4K@50/60 (2160p), which is 4 times the clarity of 1080p/60 video resolution, for the ultimate video experience

Up to 32 audio channels for a multi-dimensional immersive audio experience

Up to 1536kHz audio sample frequency for the highest audio fidelity

Simultaneous delivery of dual video streams to multiple users on the same screen

Simultaneous delivery of multi-stream audio to multiple users (Up to 4)

Support for the wide angle theatrical 21:9 video aspect ratio

Dynamic synchronization of video and audio streams

CEC extensions provide more expanded command and control of consumer electronics devices through a single control point
post #8678 of 11320
Has anyone had a hard time trying to perform the microprocessor reset on this bad boy? For the life of me I can't get it to actually reset...I turn it off, hold down the 'Game' and 'Sleep' button, and turn it on while continuing to hold them, but the screen never starts flashing. Am I missing something? Thanks!
post #8679 of 11320
Try holding down "Movie" + "Music" buttons instead. I believe a software update changed the reset procedure. Anyway, these buttons worked for me.
post #8680 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

The audio spec in 2.0 has undergone a substantial upgrade: 32 channels and a higher maximum bitrate. However, individual manufacturers don't have to implement the entire spec. That's one reason, I'm sure, that the HDMI licensing organization requires that manufacturers no longer claim to implement a particular version, but do have to list the features they provide.

More info about v2.0 is available at http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx
but you have to be a licensee in order to get the complete specs.



I'm assuming implementing ATMOS into our HT's is one of their reasons or just to bring us into the future so we/they are ready for audio upgrades. Thanks for that because I wasn't sure what 2.0 brought to the table for audio.
post #8681 of 11320
I am sure I can hobble along with ONLY 11.3 channels until I can afford 32 timbre matched speakers and have enough space to cable them up in my media room smile.gif
post #8682 of 11320
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I'm assuming implementing ATMOS into our HT's is one of their reasons or just to bring us into the future so we/they are ready for audio upgrades. Thanks for that because I wasn't sure what 2.0 brought to the table for audio.

But 32 channels does not equate to support for sound effect objects like Atmos, does it?
post #8683 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

But 32 channels does not equate to support for sound effect objects like Atmos, does it?



I really don't know, I just don't know enough about it. In still setup in 5.1, hopefully I'll be 7.2 within a month or two, but I haven't even taken full advantage of the 8801 let alone thinking about ATMOS. Which AFAIK will be a challenge for many of us to implement anyway. If you know more about ATMOS I'd like to hear about it.

I just started a thread on this Woof.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1494860/dolby-atmos-coming-to-ht/0_100#post_23834938
Edited by comfynumb - 10/14/13 at 8:53am
post #8684 of 11320
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I would recommend connecting the the single ended RCA outhouse to the 7.1 analog inputs of the 8801. Since the standard inputs are likely put through an analog to digital conversion, you will be using both DACs.

If you have a programmable remote there are code to switch between each connection type for the same input. I have the XLR, 7.1, COAX, and HMDI all connected to the BD input of the 8801. I can change connections in about 1 second.

- Rich

Indeed, I connect between my Marantz UD7007 and AV8801 with both HDMI and the XLR Cables to the same Blu-ray inputs of the AV8801.
The UD7007 Remote control has an Output Button that can select, either AV Pure Mode using two separate HDMI (one for the Audio and one for the Video) or XLR outputs only (Cutting any signals to be sent out via the HDMIs).
I like the XLR outputs from the UD7007 and the AV8801's PURE Mode, so that the signal gets coverted at the UD7007's DAC once and not get touched anymore, as supposed to if I used the XLR, and the Audyssey setting of the AV8801, then the signal would be converted from Digital to Analog by the UD7007's DAC and then from Analog to Digital by the AV8801's ADC, and then finally from Digital to Analog by the AV8801's DAC again.
I set my Front Main Speakers to Full Band (LARGE) speakers, so that I do not have to rely on Audyssey's Bass Management, i.d. Main + Sub, for example; this is for the 2.0 or CD Listening only.
The sound after switching the Main Front speakers to LARGE is noticeably so much better. I don't know what it had been doing when they were set to "SMALL" and expected the Subwoofers to take over the Frequencies below "80 Hz". It is as though it had not been doing anything as it was supposed to do. I still set the rest of the speakers to "SMALL" and the HPF to "80 Hz", for the Subwoofers to handle their low frequencies, as the rest of the speakers are really small 2-Way Bookshelf surround speakers.
post #8685 of 11320
Has anyone compared this to a ada suite 7.1hd or equivalent?
post #8686 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Denny123 View Post

Try holding down "Movie" + "Music" buttons instead. I believe a software update changed the reset procedure. Anyway, these buttons worked for me.

Thanks for the suggestion - unfortunately it didn't work frown.gif But I removed power to the unit for about 5 minutes then plugged it in and did the Game+Sleep procedure again and voila, it reset. All good now biggrin.gif
post #8687 of 11320
Has anyone experienced some screen "Flashing" and snowflakes with the HDMI output hook up?

I have my Cable box hooked up via component and HDMI.

The reason for this is that I like to listen to music and watch sports - only way to do that is to have the CD hooked up digitally (via my oppo 103) and the cable box hooked up via component.

Anways, that is never my issue. But sometime when switching over from that, to my acutal Cable/Sat hook-up, which is input via a single HDMI of course - I get some screen "flashing" from time to time, and a lot of white snowflakes so to speak on the screen.

Seems to only happen when going from component to HDMI only. Or after I am running break-in slides on my TV alone (and nothing is coming through the AV8801) then going to my CBL/Sat hook up.

If I fire it up from the get-go in the cbl/sat and don't do any switching into it from a different source - seems to always be fine.

Or, if I unplug and plug my HDMI output from the AV8801 to the TV - that fixes it.

Anyone else experience anything like this?
post #8688 of 11320
No, but that sounds like a handshake issue somewhere with your HDMI from the 8801 to the tv. If you are able to, can you switch out the HDMI to a new cord between the two and see if the problem persists?
post #8689 of 11320
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

No, but that sounds like a handshake issue somewhere with your HDMI from the 8801 to the tv. If you are able to, can you switch out the HDMI to a new cord between the two and see if the problem persists?

That is what I figured. It's sporatic, so I'm going to try a different cable at some point.
post #8690 of 11320
HDMI signal dropouts and "sparklies" are the traditional signs of an HDMI cable that's inadequate for the frequencies being sent over it. If you haven't already disabled "Deep Color", you might try doing that. It'll reduce the video bandwidth requirement and isn't needed for cable-tv video.

If you replace the cable, make sure the new one is certified High Speed, which is supposed to work for 1080P and 3D. Standard Speed cables are only certified for 1080i and 720p, although they sometimes work for higher bitrates.
post #8691 of 11320
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Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

Picture Mode Question.

I have been using it in the OFF mode and adjusting my image with my projectors controls. I decided to try the Picture controls on the 8801and switched it from OFF to Movie since the manual states this is suited for dark rooms. It made the image look brownish and lost a lot of the qualities I originally had.

What are your experiences with these video modes, and which do you find yourself using the most for videos?

I realize this is an old post that I'm replying to, but I thought other owners might want to know... my AV8801 had been set to Picture Mode "Standard" and I popped in Spears + Munsil and found it clipping white levels... changing this setting to "Off" solved the problem.
Edited by danielb6752 - 10/16/13 at 11:19am
post #8692 of 11320
Is anybody running the AV8801 with a Oppo BDP 103? If so have you tried using the Oppo to scale your HD cable/Hd sat instead of the AV8801 doing it? Was wondering if the oppo scalier is better then the one in the av8801. thanks
post #8693 of 11320
I like the oppo better than the Marantz. I run one HDMI for video to my 151, the other for sound to the 8801.
post #8694 of 11320
Note that on Monday, Oppo just released the new Oppo 103D for $100 more than the 103 which includes the same DarbeeVision technology used in the Darbee Darblett DVP5000 (MSRP $320).
post #8695 of 11320
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

I like the oppo better than the Marantz. I run one HDMI for video to my 151, the other for sound to the 8801.


do you run your cable /sat in the hdmi in on the oppo?
post #8696 of 11320
Yes my fios HDMI goes to the HDMI input of my oppo. Works very well.
post #8697 of 11320
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

Yes my fios HDMI goes to the HDMI input of my oppo. Works very well.





thanks, and you saw a difference using the oppo over the av8801 to scale your fios?
post #8698 of 11320
Yes.
post #8699 of 11320
Guys please give me a little input. Trying to figure this problem out. I know there are some audio wizards out there!
post #8700 of 11320
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Originally Posted by labman1 View Post

Guys please give me a little input. Trying to figure this problem out. I know there are some audio wizards out there!



I can't find your original post, what is your question?
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