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Originally Posted by spentmuch View Post

Ok...so here I am another "nostalgic" Lexcon owner.  I go way back with Lexicon from DC-1 to CP-3 to MC4 to MC12, but don't have HDMI. Use two subs, rears and side surrounds. Use HD Fury's to connect Blu-Ray and DirecTv to the Lex and run 1080P component to projector. I LOVE the sound I get and can't imagine it better. Not sure anymore my ears still capable of discerning "better". I think Logic 7's matrixed 7.1 from 5.1 or even 2 ch works amazingly well. Listen to vinyl via external photo preamp into Lex. Sounds great. Movie sound terrific. CD, DVD.  Have nothing to complain about the picture I am getting via the HDFury workarounds. For the other Lexicon owners here, I more than understand the reluctance to ?"upgrade" to a lower priced, but new-fangled processor when I love what I've got. I don't think that that any of the Lex owners mentioned how the Loudness contour on these units is really special, like no other equipment on the market; and after some doing, Lex really got the Bass management right. BUT...I'm intrigued. If I'm going to move from the Lex, I want to do it right on the first try. Do I wait another few months to get info about hands on experience with  the quality of the new Emotiva XMC-1 coming out? Or is this Marantz 8801 really the cats meow? Come on Marantz owners who've experienced great legacy products of the past... I kind of want to be sold on this, but so far not! And what about price? Marantz says no warranty if not purchased new from authorized dealer for full retail price, yet there are sellers all over the net offering in the $2800 dollar range. Please educate me before I go wrong!



You can not go wrong with the 8801. Just don't pay $2,800. PM me if you want I will try to steer you in the right direction.
post #8882 of 11317
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Originally Posted by spentmuch View Post

Hey thanks for the quick response. I once had a Hafler amp too. I'm pretty sure I even still have the assembly manual for it somewhere in a drawers. Sound was hard to beat. Wanted more power eventually to pump into my old DQ20i's. smile.gif

I built the Hafler 201s for my DQ10s. They just were too large for my space after we moved. But the Haflers are going strong.
post #8883 of 11317

I still use the DQ20i's. Recently rebuilt the woofers. Won't give them up. It took a lot of trial and error (and expense) to find timbre matching speakers for center and (less important) surrounds that where up to par, but I'll stick with the sound of the current speaker system over anything out there bar none!

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Audiofan1 I should have been more clear. It is another tweeter that's output is controlled from low to high in the speaker itself. I will try both ways. After reading a few posts I'm going to change the speakers to the inside of the equipment racks it will bring them from 9' apart to about 5' distance between them. Saw a post about Jim Smith (Better Sound) and figured I will try this. When I do will run Audyssey both ways tweeter on, tweeter off.smile.gif
post #8885 of 11317
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Originally Posted by spentmuch View Post

I still use the DQ20i's. Recently rebuilt the woofers. Won't give them up. It took a lot of trial and error (and expense) to find timbre matching speakers for center and (less important) surrounds that where up to par, but I'll stick with the sound of the current speaker system over anything out there bar none!

Sounds like a great system . See if you can get a 8801 on trial and then make up your mind. Really depends on what you like to listen to.
post #8886 of 11317
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Originally Posted by labman1 View Post

Audiofan1 I should have been more clear. It is another tweeter that's output is controlled from low to high in the speaker itself. I will try both ways. After reading a few posts I'm going to change the speakers to the inside of the equipment racks it will bring them from 9' apart to about 5' distance between them. Saw a post about Jim Smith (Better Sound) and figured I will try this. When I do will run Audyssey both ways tweeter on, tweeter off.smile.gif

Do post the results on the 5ft spacing , I've always wondered about this but I love a mix of cavernous and precision and I've toed, raked etc. to get there ( oh my back and the hours over the years) and have a good balance now but would love to hear the results wink.gif
post #8887 of 11317
I am looking for some help from those that know and love the 8801......

I currently have an old and long out of date Anthem Processor that I bought in 2005 - happen to really like the sound signature and have been thrilled with it but now really want the HDMI connectivity and other newer features. Unfortunately, Anthem pricing has gone far too upmarket for me to consider buying a new one and all I could do was look for a used one 3-5 years old but the technology is pretty far out of date on those. As a result, I'm looking to see what else might be available in a rational price range but with great performance. I've read reviews of the 8801 and they all seem to rave about both the audio and quality of the piece and the features and it seems that it can be found now for around $2,250-2,400 on eBay/online (well, would have to add a Square Trade warranty for coverage which bumps the price $240) which strikes me as a bargain for the features and performance. I hate to buy something like this on eBay but given the price, the eBay guarantee that you get what you ordered, the new in box nature of the offerings and the availability of a Square Trade warranty, it hardly seems worth paying the $3000+/- that a dealer would charge..... that is unless I am missing something (please let me know where I am wrong smile.gifsmile.gif )......

However, I don't have any experience with Marantz equipment or a sense of Marantz's "sound" so to speak. While the reviews kept saying that they loved the sound, the reviews all seemed to use the word "rich" quite a bit when describing the sound and I wasn't quite sure what that meant - is that code word for "warm" or "rolled off"? I happen to like my audio (two channel as I don't care with HT) fairly "raw" - as in it passes what is there - however, I also don't like it artificially bright which some brands/speakers do, but I suspect some people who like more warmth or richness may call my sound a bit bright(er) perhaps. With the Anthem for the processor, a Bryston for the amp, a Lexicon player and some top notch monitor speakers with ribbon tweeters and a REL, I at least think that I avoided equipment that to me sounded rolled off, warm, etc. and hopefully pretty faithfully reproduced the music coming through (for both good and bad with the way some recordings are mixed and reproduced). I auditioned quite a few different brands, though not Marantz (I don't think this line of Marantz equipment existed back in 04/05), and got a sense that certain ones have different signatures and some were too "warm" for me - while often they were quite good, I thought it compromised some transparency and airiness a bit too much for me. So....I would love to hear some impressions of the Marantz sound and all the better if a comparison can be made to Anthem. Also, I'd be interested in learning whether the 8801 has any real competition in the under $3500 price range from other brands.

Of course, I need to go audition the Marantz but without doing it many times, bringing it home and living with it like I did way back when in trying the Anthem and others, it can be hard to judge on a true comparative basis - and to be honest, I don't have the time and cannot bring myself to go through what I did 9-10yrs ago with the scores of hours that it took over a 4-6 months period - it may sound silly but at some point after research and some visiting of stores (and looking at comments on boards like this), I just need to take a leap of faith. I don't do a whole lot of critical 2-channel listening any more and so to a large degree, I want to be happy that I have a great piece of equipment that I will be very satisfied with for another 6-8yrs in general use and that will make me sit up and take notice when I do sit down to listen to music from time to time. I get the sense that the 8801 might fit the bill based on quality, flexibility of set-up, included features and technology at the $2,600 price point that it will cost.

Also, one other question - pretty important actually - can the main zone of the 8801 output simultaneously through the balanced and regular outputs (same source of course)? I use the main zone of the Anthem to run two sets of speakers in two different locations (one with a longer balanced run to the amp where the speakers are located) and want to be able to have the same source play through both (or either if one set of amps are turned off)....hopefully that makes sense.

Thanks for any thoughts that you might have - much appreciated!!smile.gif)
Edited by DanielG - 11/1/13 at 12:28pm
post #8888 of 11317
You can get the 8801 right here at AVS. PM Mike Garrett (av science sales 5) or jdsmoothie for the details.
post #8889 of 11317
Yup. Authorized dealer for Marantz and Denon to name just a few. smile.gif
Edited by jdsmoothie - 11/4/13 at 3:51am
post #8890 of 11317
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Originally Posted by DanielG View Post

I am looking for some help from those that know and love the 8801......

I currently have an old and long out of date Anthem Processor that I bought in 2005 - happen to really like the sound signature and have been thrilled with it but now really want the HDMI connectivity and other newer features. Unfortunately, Anthem pricing has gone far too upmarket for me to consider buying a new one and all I could do was look for a used one 3-5 years old but the technology is pretty far out of date on those. As a result, I'm looking to see what else might be available in a rational price range but with great performance. I've read reviews of the 8801 and they all seem to rave about both the audio and quality of the piece and the features and it seems that it can be found now for around $2,250-2,400 on eBay/online (well, would have to add a Square Trade warranty for coverage which bumps the price $240) which strikes me as a bargain for the features and performance. I hate to buy something like this on eBay but given the price, the eBay guarantee that you get what you ordered, the new in box nature of the offerings and the availability of a Square Trade warranty, it hardly seems worth paying the $3000+/- that a dealer would charge..... that is unless I am missing something (please let me know where I am wrong smile.gifsmile.gif )......

However, I don't have any experience with Marantz equipment or a sense of Marantz's "sound" so to speak. While the reviews kept saying that they loved the sound, the reviews all seemed to use the word "rich" quite a bit when describing the sound and I wasn't quite sure what that meant - is that code word for "warm" or "rolled off"? I happen to like my audio (two channel as I don't care with HT) fairly "raw" - as in it passes what is there - however, I also don't like it artificially bright which some brands/speakers do, but I suspect some people who like more warmth or richness may call my sound a bit bright(er) perhaps. With the Anthem for the processor, a Bryston for the amp, a Lexicon player and some top notch monitor speakers with ribbon tweeters and a REL, I at least think that I avoided equipment that to me sounded rolled off, warm, etc. and hopefully pretty faithfully reproduced the music coming through (for both good and bad with the way some recordings are mixed and reproduced). I auditioned quite a few different brands, though not Marantz (I don't think this line of Marantz equipment existed back in 04/05), and got a sense that certain ones have different signatures and some were too "warm" for me - while often they were quite good, I thought it compromised some transparency and airiness a bit too much for me. So....I would love to hear some impressions of the Marantz sound and all the better if a comparison can be made to Anthem. Also, I'd be interested in learning whether the 8801 has any real competition in the under $3500 price range from other brands.

Of course, I need to go audition the Marantz but without doing it many times, bringing it home and living with it like I did way back when in trying the Anthem and others, it can be hard to judge on a true comparative basis - and to be honest, I don't have the time and cannot bring myself to go through what I did 9-10yrs ago with the scores of hours that it took over a 4-6 months period - it may sound silly but at some point after research and some visiting of stores (and looking at comments on boards like this), I just need to take a leap of faith. I don't do a whole lot of critical 2-channel listening any more and so to a large degree, I want to be happy that I have a great piece of equipment that I will be very satisfied with for another 6-8yrs in general use and that will make me sit up and take notice when I do sit down to listen to music from time to time. I get the sense that the 8801 might fit the bill based on quality, flexibility of set-up, included features and technology at the $2,600 price point that it will cost.

Also, one other question - pretty important actually - can the main zone of the 8801 output simultaneously through the balanced and regular outputs (same source of course)? I use the main zone of the Anthem to run two sets of speakers in two different locations (one with a longer balanced run to the amp where the speakers are located) and want to be able to have the same source play through both (or either if one set of amps are turned off)....hopefully that makes sense.

Thanks for any thoughts that you might have - much appreciated!!smile.gif)



There are quite a few guys coming from Anthem to the Marantz in here. I haven't heard the Anthem pre before so I really can't comment on their sound but I don't find the 8801 overly warm or bright. Like all pre's or AVR's it does have it's own sound but one it's strong suits is that it's nimble when it has to be and can flat out "bring it" when it's time. That's my own description biggrin.gif
Yes it will output both XLR and RCA simultaneously.
Edited by comfynumb - 11/1/13 at 2:18pm
post #8891 of 11317

So let's say that hypothetically I am now expecting to receive an 8801 next Tuesday...Perhaps some of the already wise and familiar owners can direct me to where I can pre-read about some set-up tips to get the best sound it's capable of ?  (I already feel a  little apologetic asking this question because I'm sure that somewhere on this forum there must be a thread on the topic...I just couldn't find it so far). Give a 'newbee' a hand, please.

 

Thanks

post #8892 of 11317
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Originally Posted by spentmuch View Post

So let's say that hypothetically I am now expecting to receive an 8801 next Tuesday...Perhaps some of the already wise and familiar owners can direct me to where I can pre-read about some set-up tips to get the best sound it's capable of ?  (I already feel a  little apologetic asking this question because I'm sure that somewhere on this forum there must be a thread on the topic...I just couldn't find it so far). Give a 'newbee' a hand, please.

Thanks



I use Audyssey for both music and movies and once you get the right settings I think you'll be happy. Are you familiar with or have to ever used Audyssey before? I adjusted my 8801 manually for close to 2 months but when I ran Audyssey it took it to another level. If you want to use it and are not familiar with I suggest reading the F&Q on the first page of the Audyssey thread, it is very informative.
Edited by comfynumb - 11/1/13 at 3:00pm
post #8893 of 11317

I have a 2nd room "mini" system with a Denon receiver. it has a lesser version of Audyssey that I used to set it up with. I thought it sounded a lot better when I set it up manually.  However, I understand that the version in the 8801 is significantly better than what I've used (the Denon receiver is about 4 years old).

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I use Audyssey for both music and movies and once you get the right settings I think you'll be happy. Are you familiar with or have to ever used Audyssey before? I adjusted my 8801 manually for close to 2 months but when I ran Audyssey it took it to another level. If you want to use it and are not familiar with I suggest reading the F&Q on the first page of the Audyssey thread, it is very informative.

This. Also play around with Dynamic EQ; most users seem to like it.

As far as surround modes are concerned: I prefer DPLIIx/z for 5.1/7.1 and DTS Neo:X for 9.1/10.1. And if you have dual subs you can calibrate them independently

(note: I'm also a former Lexicon owner, and I love my AV8801).
post #8895 of 11317
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

This. Also play around with Dynamic EQ; most users seem to like it.

As far as surround modes are concerned: I prefer DPLIIx/z for 5.1/7.1 and DTS Neo:X for 9.1/10.1. And if you have dual subs you can calibrate them independently

(note: I'm also a former Lexicon owner, and I love my AV8801).



I do like DEQ it just sounds good at lower volumes. I agree with your PLII statement and once you adjust those settings in the surround settings it works very good.
post #8896 of 11317
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Originally Posted by spentmuch View Post

I have a 2nd room "mini" system with a Denon receiver. it has a lesser version of Audyssey that I used to set it up with. I thought it sounded a lot better when I set it up manually.  However, I understand that the version in the 8801 is significantly better than what I've used (the Denon receiver is about 4 years old).



Yes XT32 is the better version. If you go with the Marantz, your in good hands as far as set up goes. The guys on here and the Audyssey thread are very knowledgeable and willing to help should you need it smile.gif
post #8897 of 11317
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yup. Authorized dealer for Marantz and Denon to name just a few. smile.gif


JD,

Thanks for posting - I would be happy to give you a call to discuss the 8801. Probably a bit late for today at this point and so I'll try you at the beginning of next week.

Thanks,
Dan
post #8898 of 11317
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

There are quite a few guys coming from Anthem to the Marantz in here. I haven't heard the Anthem pre before so I really can't comment on their sound but I don't find the 8801 overly warm or bright. Like all pre's or AVR's it does have it's own sound but one it's strong suits is that it's nimble when it has to be and can flat out "bring it" when it's time. That's my own description biggrin.gif
Yes it will output both XLR and RCA simultaneously.

Thanks for responding! Happy to hear your impressions. Hopefully one of the guys who switched from Anthem to Marantz can chime in with their thoughts. Seems like Anthem really stepped way up in price and has probably left quite a few prior customers looking for alternatives. While a used Anthem D2 would be still killer on the audio and I've been tempted, it just doesn't seem to be a piece that makes sense given the out of date features/connectivity right now, let alone 2-3yrs down the road. Can't wait to see how people who have owned both think they compare sonically and quality wise.
post #8899 of 11317
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Originally Posted by DanielG View Post

Thanks for responding! Happy to hear your impressions. Hopefully one of the guys who switched from Anthem to Marantz can chime in with their thoughts. Seems like Anthem really stepped way up in price and has probably left quite a few prior customers looking for alternatives. While a used Anthem D2 would be still killer on the audio and I've been tempted, it just doesn't seem to be a piece that makes sense given the out of date features/connectivity right now, let alone 2-3yrs down the road. Can't wait to see how people who have owned both think they compare sonically and quality wise.


I had the anthem d2 than went to the d2v. Sound on them are hard to beat however having had the marantz for over 4 months I do not miss the anthem at all. This pre has so much flexibility and future proofing in place you cant beat it for the price. Also the sound in my opinion is very natural and is comparable to the anthem I previously owned.
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Originally Posted by DanielG View Post

Thanks for responding! Happy to hear your impressions. Hopefully one of the guys who switched from Anthem to Marantz can chime in with their thoughts. Seems like Anthem really stepped way up in price and has probably left quite a few prior customers looking for alternatives. While a used Anthem D2 would be still killer on the audio and I've been tempted, it just doesn't seem to be a piece that makes sense given the out of date features/connectivity right now, let alone 2-3yrs down the road. Can't wait to see how people who have owned both think they compare sonically and quality wise.



Your welcome, the post above mine is from a former Anthem owner. There are at least 5 or 6 guys on here coming from the Anthem.
post #8901 of 11317
Anybody knows how to shut off fan connected to the rear USB port once 8801 is turned off?

My USB fan keeps running even after I've turned off the 8801 with remote.
post #8902 of 11317
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Originally Posted by DanielG View Post

Thanks for responding! Happy to hear your impressions. Hopefully one of the guys who switched from Anthem to Marantz can chime in with their thoughts. Seems like Anthem really stepped way up in price and has probably left quite a few prior customers looking for alternatives. While a used Anthem D2 would be still killer on the audio and I've been tempted, it just doesn't seem to be a piece that makes sense given the out of date features/connectivity right now, let alone 2-3yrs down the road. Can't wait to see how people who have owned both think they compare sonically and quality wise.

I'm a little bit older Anthem customer coming from an AVM 20 to the Marantz AV7005. I think the Anthem was/is a higher quality piece than the 7005 is and still has features I miss, but I am generally satisfied with my 7005. Went with the Marantz primarily for the HDMI connectivity stuff, room correction, and favorable reviews. Would have loved to stay with Anthem but I just didn't want to part with that kind of money this time around to get the newer bells and whistles.
post #8903 of 11317
I too have the same issue with the USB as I've also hooked up a USB fan because the 8801 runs considerably hotter than my prior Onkyo pr-886.....it seems USB is powered all the time even if you are no using any zones. The only workaround is to switch to the front USB port to power off the rear USB port. . Hopefully this can be addressed in a future firmware??

Also, I don't see where you can say be listening to Internet radio or other audio only source and view another video source .....there doesn't seem to be a way to assign my sat box video to an audio source (perhaps analog video which I don't want to do) ??
post #8904 of 11317
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Originally Posted by Pxgarbar View Post

I too have the same issue with the USB as I've also hooked up a USB fan because the 8801 runs considerably hotter than my prior Onkyo pr-886.....it seems USB is powered all the time even if you are no using any zones. The only workaround is to switch to the front USB port to power off the rear USB port. . Hopefully this can be addressed in a future firmware??

Also, I don't see where you can say be listening to Internet radio or other audio only source and view another video source .....there doesn't seem to be a way to assign my sat box video to an audio source (perhaps analog video which I don't want to do) ??



Does the USB fan have an on/off switch? As far as I remember there is no way listen to audio and view another video source, but I could be wrong. Why not go directly to your sat box to your display? I don't know what your sat box has for outputs. Component cables will also carry an HD signal.
post #8905 of 11317
thanks for the reply. But the USB fan is in the rear of my system rack and not easily accessible. If I hook sat box directly to tv I can't use Marantz OSD at same time plus I'm for over air TV using the ARC HDMI and would lose that............I don't understand the point of continuously powering USB port unless your sending it to another zone. You can shut down the Ethernet switch .
post #8906 of 11317
I have two fans for both sides ....never ever have any heat problem.






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MY SETUP







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MY SETUP








Love the space. Very nice.
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Originally Posted by BizMarkie View Post

MY SETUP








My crystal ball is revealing how my Lottery Winnings will be spent in a similar fashion. Your setup is very beautiful!
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Originally Posted by BizMarkie View Post

MY SETUP










Nice setup. Are those the Golden Ear speakers I see in the front?
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