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post #9481 of 11320
It was very close to that. I didn't get a quote with shipping from the four places I called.

However, the ebay total with free UPS shipping (two days to my door) was $2249. Although, the square trade warranty is $239.99 for three years, I may/may not get it. Even adding the warranty in, it's hard to beat the price.

I'm not sure what support you'd need from the seller after buying, but AVS staff is top notch and knowledgeable if you have a question. I know the few times I've called in, the person was very intelligent. Way better than any local place in my area.

[quote name="DanielG" url="/t/1431914/marantz-av8801-preamp-processor-official-owners-I also value buying from a true authorized dealer because of their support - which is why I would be willing to buy from an authorized dealer for an amount over the eBay price equal to the square trade warranty plus a small margin for the warranty plus another margin for knowing that I am buying from an authorized dealer. For me these added benefits don't add up to the $800-950 spread that my local authorized dealers wanted over the eBay price but they do bridge for me the $450 that a poster mentioned above. As a result, I bought from an authorized dealer.[/quote]
post #9482 of 11320
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Agreed. The addition of Front Wide speakers is a nice expansion of the front surround field. As a reminder for those using the Front Wides, regardless of whether using DSX or DTS Neo;X, the audio is derived from the FL/FR/SL/SR speakers.
So I am still trying to workout when you say derived is duplicated / reduced across all three or is it extracted and then output via the wide
post #9483 of 11320
My understanding is that the decoders treat the front and side-surround channels as if they had the additional height and width channels matrixed into them. The decoding process used by DTS Neo:X corresponds to how those channels were actually matrixed using DTS encoding software into the BD soundtracks of a very small number of movies. For other movies, the results wouldn't be quite as realistic since the people mixing the movies' soundtracks weren't planning for that type of decoding.
post #9484 of 11320
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Originally Posted by matthewa View Post

So I am still trying to workout when you say derived is duplicated / reduced across all three or is it extracted and then output via the wide

Extracted. From the Audyssey website on Front Wide speakers ....
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The most important direction for these reflections is from the sides and that’s what the Audyssey DSX Wide channels are designed to do. The algorithm looks at the content in real time and extracts from it the cues that we perceive from optimal side wall reflections. This information combines with the direct sound from the front and gives us an enhanced sense of soundstage width.
post #9485 of 11320
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

How are you liking your class D sound, do you feel like your missing anything over other amps you've owned?

I have been sold on Class D for a while now. I was using the Bel Canto REF1000Ms for my front speakers and compared them to Bryston and a few other similarly priced (some slightly higher) power amplifiers. The Bel Cantos were on the cooler side of neutral but worked very well when I used a tube preamp in the chain, addressing the lean-ness in the mids.

I was originally running with 9 external amps (Bel Canto REF500Ms for centre and Wyred4Sound ICEBox MC 6xASP500s along with the REF1000Ms) when using the Denon 4810 to achieve 11 channels (with the Denon only powering the height speakers).

I moved the Bel Cantos to surround duties when I upgraded the front power amps to Electrocompanient AW600 Nemos. I think the Nemos are better overall but then they do cost about double what the REF1000Ms cost) so I don't think that puts the Bel Cantos in a bad light.
post #9486 of 11320
Just ordered two rear exhaust fans for my AV8801 after discovering it was running at 108 deg F via an infrared pyrometer. I have only 1.5 inches of airspace above the unit, so it seems like a good idea to get it cooled down. Ordered a thermostat to go with the fans.

Really love the AV8801. It's about to get a 4k TV upscaling test once my new Sony 4k TV arrives.
post #9487 of 11320
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Originally Posted by admranger View Post

Really love the AV8801. It's about to get a 4k TV upscaling test once my new Sony 4k TV arrives.

Please report back on this after you've played with its 4K upconversion 'talents', because I think more than a few of us are interested in this feature...
post #9488 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

I have been sold on Class D for a while now. I was using the Bel Canto REF1000Ms for my front speakers and compared them to Bryston and a few other similarly priced (some slightly higher) power amplifiers. The Bel Cantos were on the cooler side of neutral but worked very well when I used a tube preamp in the chain, addressing the lean-ness in the mids.

I was originally running with 9 external amps (Bel Canto REF500Ms for centre and Wyred4Sound ICEBox MC 6xASP500s along with the REF1000Ms) when using the Denon 4810 to achieve 11 channels (with the Denon only powering the height speakers).

I moved the Bel Cantos to surround duties when I upgraded the front power amps to Electrocompanient AW600 Nemos. I think the Nemos are better overall but then they do cost about double what the REF1000Ms cost) so I don't think that puts the Bel Cantos in a bad light.



I bet it sounds great and I very well may go the class D route myself by the summer.
post #9489 of 11320
I am now fairly well versed in my new 8801, having been thrilled with my ownership experience with a super trusty 4311. Really, most everyone here is full of great information and considering the complexity of this beast, posting has progressed slowly.

Here are my observations coming from the 4311. Largest changes first.

1). The 4311 had a more subdued output in LFE than my previously owned 4820. This decrease in bass is largely documented on the 4311 thread. Many believe that the EQXT32 has a reducing element to it, in regards to LFE content. This is covered in the 4311 thread in detail. It was surmised that a number of people in the bass camp of "Turn itup to 11" just did not have the bass levels set properly. I have been in the bass camp and simply adjusted the sub outputs 2.5 db in the AVR. The 8801 seems to have much greater sub output after EQing. My son and I watched the latest Superman and the bass was pretty spectacular. No need to adjust levels up; in fact down might have been called for. So, am wondering if anyone has noticed the same?

2). I like the Dialogue Enhancer Functions...... A lot. With my 4311, I basically used the Dynamic Volume Control to squish the dynamic range and allow me to watch shows late at night with kids o-dozing. Now,I can use the Dialogue Enhancement function on either low or medium and not need to cut dynamic range as much at night. In addition, football commentary can be enhanced nicely and keep levels in the mid range so friends and family can talk while watching our Seahawks crush yet another opponent. (There were more Seahawks fans at MetLife Stadium than Giants fans, or so it seemed - heck, some of the people they scanned to on the screen were local friends). Anyway, love this option. Any thoughts?

3). XLR outs rock! Much more robust connection. I have had RCA connects snap off my Amos and this solves that issue. I am using cheapo cables and I can't tell any difference in noise threshold over my able Jean RCA's. Not better, not worse than before.

4). In its totality, it sounds better than my 4311. I believe the subs are simply sounding more matched. The rest of my opinions go off the ranch and are all subjective. I will spare all the tech spec types my totally non scientific reasoning. It just sounds better.

5). The Neo:X stuff is more subtle than DSX. It seems like less content is fed To the Wides, for sure as well as a bit less front back blending. I think I prefere DSX but have not yet tried a full Neo:X rendered movie, edited for Neo:X. This debate is getting very little discussion here and I kind of wish people would discuss more.

6). The GUIis better than the 4311 but since I knew the 4311 well, it's really not a lot better. The door display letters are way bigger. Again, not sure it matters much.

7). The back end layout is a lot better than the Denon but we don't have to worry about speaker outs.

There are a few things I don't like. I miss the front panel that tells me graphically the input of signal. 5.1, 2.1, 7.1. I miss that. I don't care for the remote. Don't use it much though. At this price, put in a gigabit switch. This is silly. Also, I don't need most of the network functionality. It's ok to have but really, who doesn't own a good disc player with better network functionality at this price level? As I tell my wife before shopping. "More is often not better, just more" I don't need a mishmash of half baked network audio functionality.

Ok, now THE big news. The 8801 is for my birthday. Christmas comes early next week for me. I just ordered 2 SVS SB13 Ultra's. These replace my tried and true B&W ASW 2500s. I will get somewhat more volume and hopefully keep the tight sealed bass sound I love. I know for the cost, I could have picked up equivalent subs probably for less but they would have been bigger physically or less attractive to the misses. My room is not that big so with good placement, I should get down to the very low 20s in bass. If anyone cares I'll post my observations.

So far, loving the 8801 but it's hard to add content to all the experts here.
post #9490 of 11320
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

I am now fairly well versed in my new 8801, having been thrilled with my ownership experience with a super trusty 4311. Really, most everyone here is full of great information and considering the complexity of this beast, posting has progressed slowly.

Here are my observations coming from the 4311. Largest changes first.

1). The 4311 had a more subdued output in LFE than my previously owned 4820. This decrease in bass is largely documented on the 4311 thread. Many believe that the EQXT32 has a reducing element to it, in regards to LFE content. This is covered in the 4311 thread in detail. It was surmised that a number of people in the bass camp of "Turn itup to 11" just did not have the bass levels set properly. I have been in the bass camp and simply adjusted the sub outputs 2.5 db in the AVR. The 8801 seems to have much greater sub output after EQing. My son and I watched the latest Superman and the bass was pretty spectacular. No need to adjust levels up; in fact down might have been called for. So, am wondering if anyone has noticed the same?

2). I like the Dialogue Enhancer Functions...... A lot. With my 4311, I basically used the Dynamic Volume Control to squish the dynamic range and allow me to watch shows late at night with kids o-dozing. Now,I can use the Dialogue Enhancement function on either low or medium and not need to cut dynamic range as much at night. In addition, football commentary can be enhanced nicely and keep levels in the mid range so friends and family can talk while watching our Seahawks crush yet another opponent. (There were more Seahawks fans at MetLife Stadium than Giants fans, or so it seemed - heck, some of the people they scanned to on the screen were local friends). Anyway, love this option. Any thoughts?

3). XLR outs rock! Much more robust connection. I have had RCA connects snap off my Amos and this solves that issue. I am using cheapo cables and I can't tell any difference in noise threshold over my able Jean RCA's. Not better, not worse than before.

4). In its totality, it sounds better than my 4311. I believe the subs are simply sounding more matched. The rest of my opinions go off the ranch and are all subjective. I will spare all the tech spec types my totally non scientific reasoning. It just sounds better.

5). The Neo:X stuff is more subtle than DSX. It seems like less content is fed To the Wides, for sure as well as a bit less front back blending. I think I prefere DSX but have not yet tried a full Neo:X rendered movie, edited for Neo:X. This debate is getting very little discussion here and I kind of wish people would discuss more.

6). The GUIis better than the 4311 but since I knew the 4311 well, it's really not a lot better. The door display letters are way bigger. Again, not sure it matters much.

7). The back end layout is a lot better than the Denon but we don't have to worry about speaker outs.

There are a few things I don't like. I miss the front panel that tells me graphically the input of signal. 5.1, 2.1, 7.1. I miss that. I don't care for the remote. Don't use it much though. At this price, put in a gigabit switch. This is silly. Also, I don't need most of the network functionality. It's ok to have but really, who doesn't own a good disc player with better network functionality at this price level? As I tell my wife before shopping. "More is often not better, just more" I don't need a mishmash of half baked network audio functionality.

Ok, now THE big news. The 8801 is for my birthday. Christmas comes early next week for me. I just ordered 2 SVS SB13 Ultra's. These replace my tried and true B&W ASW 2500s. I will get somewhat more volume and hopefully keep the tight sealed bass sound I love. I know for the cost, I could have picked up equivalent subs probably for less but they would have been bigger physically or less attractive to the misses. My room is not that big so with good placement, I should get down to the very low 20s in bass. If anyone cares I'll post my observations.

So far, loving the 8801 but it's hard to add content to all the experts here.



I'm glad your liking the 8801 and it only gets better once you become even more familiar with its strengths, which are many. If you have istuff do yourself a favor and buy the Deremote app, notice it shows the input at the top. This is a snapshot from my iPad;



post #9491 of 11320
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post


There are a few things I don't like. I miss the front panel that tells me graphically the input of signal. 5.1, 2.1, 7.1. I miss that. I don't care for the remote. Don't use it much though.

Glad to hear you are enjoying your Birthday present. In addition to the INFO button on the remote, you also have the option to change the speaker icons displayed on the front panel from the default of OUTPUT to INPUT (p. 147 OM). smile.gif

post #9492 of 11320
I have not posted in a while and have not had time to read through the posts. I have an 8801 and I have an OPPO BDP-105 and an OPPO BDP-83SE connected to 2 different hdmi inputs. After the last firmware update, I have started to get a fuzzy picture from both of these 1080p components. I have everything running through hdmi out to a JVC DLA-RS4810 projector. The only other source connected is a DirecTV box and I never have any fuzz/video noise from that source. I have another hdmi run straight from the BDP105 to the projector and I have no picture issues. Is anyone else having this issue and is there a fix for it?
post #9493 of 11320
Would like to set sub woofer to 0 on cable, +5 on CD and +3 on Blu Ray

Is there anyway to do this in the Marantz? Driving me crazy, have searched but unable to find on forums.

The CD (actually turntable) is connected via RCA
Blu Ray and Cable are through HDMI

Appreciate some specifics on how to do it if possible
post #9494 of 11320
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Originally Posted by wood930 View Post

Would like to set sub woofer to 0 on cable, +5 on CD and +3 on Blu Ray

Is there anyway to do this in the Marantz? Driving me crazy, have searched but unable to find on forums.

The CD (actually turntable) is connected via RCA
Blu Ray and Cable are through HDMI

Appreciate some specifics on how to do it if possible

My 8801 remembers the different configurations on its own including if I have DEQ on for say cable and off for Blu Ray, just set them and you should be fine wink.gif
post #9495 of 11320
I have a new 8801 I am very happy with but for one issue. The dialog enhancer will not stay on a setting. It immediately reverts to off. I have the latest update. Any suggestions.
post #9496 of 11320
I've recently upgraded from the AV7005 to the AV8801 and I noticed after (as well as during) the Audesey set up -- as well as during Direct Stereo and Pure Direct stereo playback mode - that I'm getting sound from my front speakers - playing through the center channel as well - which I don't believe should be happening. I ran Audesey again to see if it would change -- but it's the same. I also get the center channel through the front right speaker - It may not be a coincidence that the audesey distance displayed for my right front and centre channel is showing the same

I'm using the balanced connectors -- to an ARC 150M-7 multi-channel amp -- (only using 5 channels at this point) -- I haven't tried changing from XLR to RCA to see if that makes a difference - but I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this -- and where I might be able to look to see what might be causing this to happen. I've changed the center channel input on the amp - to one of the other unused inputs - and get the same result - so I'm pretty sure it's the preamp output signals getting this duplication -- I'm also running two subs -- and I get a signal through them during Direct and Pure direct as well - didn't think that was supposed to happen ---- I can't compare this to the AV7005 (one sub outlet) -- because I ran my front outputs set to large +LFE through a passive cross-over that allowed stereo subs -- with the 8801 -- I just run both subs from the pre-amp - so I had stereo subs in direct / pure direct mode with the 7005 through the crossover

The system sounds fine with multi-channel playback -- but I'm assuming something is wrong and I'm not likely getting proper channel separation . Unit is still under warranty - but I don't want to take it in if there is something stupid that I've over looked.

Any help would be appreciated

thanks

Bart
post #9497 of 11320
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Originally Posted by bartgilchrist View Post

I've recently upgraded from the AV7005 to the AV8801 and I noticed after (as well as during) the Audesey set up -- as well as during Direct Stereo and Pure Direct stereo playback mode - that I'm getting sound from my front speakers - playing through the center channel as well - which I don't believe should be happening. I ran Audesey again to see if it would change -- but it's the same. I also get the center channel through the front right speaker - It may not be a coincidence that the audesey distance displayed for my right front and centre channel is showing the same

I'm using the balanced connectors -- to an ARC 150M-7 multi-channel amp -- (only using 5 channels at this point) -- I haven't tried changing from XLR to RCA to see if that makes a difference - but I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this -- and where I might be able to look to see what might be causing this to happen. I've changed the center channel input on the amp - to one of the other unused inputs - and get the same result - so I'm pretty sure it's the preamp output signals getting this duplication -- I'm also running two subs -- and I get a signal through them during Direct and Pure direct as well - didn't think that was supposed to happen ---- I can't compare this to the AV7005 (one sub outlet) -- because I ran my front outputs set to large +LFE through a passive cross-over that allowed stereo subs -- with the 8801 -- I just run both subs from the pre-amp - so I had stereo subs in direct / pure direct mode with the 7005 through the crossover

The system sounds fine with multi-channel playback -- but I'm assuming something is wrong and I'm not likely getting proper channel separation . Unit is still under warranty - but I don't want to take it in if there is something stupid that I've over looked.

Any help would be appreciated

thanks

Bart



When Audyssey pings your L & R your getting the sound through your CC? Are you sure your connected properly everywhere, XLR and speaker connections?
post #9498 of 11320
I searched the thread but didn't get any hits on this: vertical stretch of the video for use with an anamorphic lens. I know the unit will do it. No question there. My question is: How good is the vertical stretch? I have a Lumagen Mini that I currently use to accomplish this task for use with my Panamorph. I would like to get the Lumagen out of the chain if possible. I don't want to sacrifice much, if anything in picture quality. I have no interest in zooming, so don't even open up that discussion!

Any one have real world experience using the 8801 to stretch with a lens???
post #9499 of 11320
Only the right channel -- and I've moved the right channel inputs (and speaker output) on my 7 channel amp to one of the unused channels -- get the same thing -- center channel and right front -- both play when audesey pings either one of them -- and they are also both playing during direct and pure direct mode
i will run the test signals later this evening and see what I get -- then swap out right and left pre-amp outputs to see if it's isolated to the pre-amp out
last scratch on this will be to try RCA outputs instead of XLR -- see if it's related to the ouput jack -- if not -- has to be something pooched in the unit itself -- as I can't see anything i've overlooked in the set up
post #9500 of 11320
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Originally Posted by bartgilchrist View Post

Only the right channel -- and I've moved the right channel inputs (and speaker output) on my 7 channel amp to one of the unused channels -- get the same thing -- center channel and right front -- both play when audesey pings either one of them -- and they are also both playing during direct and pure direct mode
i will run the test signals later this evening and see what I get -- then swap out right and left pre-amp outputs to see if it's isolated to the pre-amp out
last scratch on this will be to try RCA outputs instead of XLR -- see if it's related to the ouput jack -- if not -- has to be something pooched in the unit itself -- as I can't see anything i've overlooked in the set up



Try a reset.
post #9501 of 11320
I did some playing around ---- long story - short version. This is a new / used amp ( ARC 150M-7 -- with 7 individual 150w amp modules) & I think the previous owner bridged the amp modules and was using it as a two or 3 channel amp --
Can't confirm because the previous owner passed away -- but I''m pretty sure that's the issue -- and it explains why I fried my two front speakers a few weeks ago ( was using small Celestion speakers for fronts while my regular mains are in the shop -- )

This identical thing is happening on two sets of the amp modules -- which is not likely a coincidence. I'm going to communicate with the manufacturer and confirm the process for reversing the bridging --

thanks a lot for your help

Bart
post #9502 of 11320
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Originally Posted by robert555 View Post

I have a new 8801 I am very happy with but for one issue. The dialog enhancer will not stay on a setting. It immediately reverts to off. I have the latest update. Any suggestions.
Robert, you're not alone here, and Marantz denies they've ever heard of this problem (though several here on this thread I know now have directly reported it - including me!).
The DE will stay "On" with SD sources, but won't stay put with high def sources - oddly always goes back to "Off"...a few others on this thread say they don't have this issue(?).
I updated the firmware on my unit last February, but not since then (if its not broke, don't fix it, right?), so I don't know if firmware is the culprit?, or later on the cure?
post #9503 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Mad Norseman View Post

Robert, you're not alone here, and Marantz denies they've ever heard of this problem (though several here on this thread I know now have directly reported it - including me!).
The DE will stay "On" with SD sources, but won't stay put with high def sources - oddly always goes back to "Off"...a few others on this thread say they don't have this issue(?).
I updated the firmware on my unit last February, but not since then (if its not broke, don't fix it, right?), so I don't know if firmware is the culprit?, or later on the cure?

Same thing happens to me. Frustrating…

Hopefully it'll 'magically' disappear since it's not really an issue, is it Marantz? [sarcasm off]
post #9504 of 11320
I have been looking all over the forums and online to find out why i am having a minor issue with lip syncing. I can make the adjust ment to audio delay but I am confused to why this is happening when the prepro had an auto adjust function. The degree of synching ranges from perfect to poor depending on the cable program. I have only seen one bluray do it and it was Jingle all the way. I have a Panasonic ZT65 and an oppo bdp. To get it mostly synced up its at 4 ms. Any thoughts/help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!
post #9505 of 11320
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Originally Posted by DrMichael View Post

I have been looking all over the forums and online to find out why i am having a minor issue with lip syncing. I can make the adjust ment to audio delay but I am confused to why this is happening when the prepro had an auto adjust function. The degree of synching ranges from perfect to poor depending on the cable program. I have only seen one bluray do it and it was Jingle all the way. I have a Panasonic ZT65 and an oppo bdp. To get it mostly synced up its at 4 ms. Any thoughts/help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!



I have the ST60 and there have been around 6 cases of lip sync issues on the owners thread over the last couple of months. It seems like it's mainly with cable. What do they say on the ZT thread? Maybe try HDMI straight to the panel and Toslink to the 8801? Have you tried rebooting the set top box or switching the box out? Resetting the 8801?
post #9506 of 11320
I just received my AV8801 processor and connected it mostly.
I am having trouble connecting my PC media player and wondered if anyone experienced this?

I have the HDMI output of my PC connected to the "media player" hdmi input on the processor. When I boot the PC it fails to load complaining of "no monitor". The Marantz never switches on the projector like it does for the blu-ray player and cable box. It is as if it is waiting for a signal.

What to do?

(when I connect the monitor cable directly to the PC it boots up and shines on the screen normally - no issues. Only when I try to go through the processor does it fail)

Thanks
post #9507 of 11320
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Originally Posted by mjz3348 View Post

I just received my AV8801 processor and connected it mostly.
I am having trouble connecting my PC media player and wondered if anyone experienced this?

I have the HDMI output of my PC connected to the "media player" hdmi input on the processor. When I boot the PC it fails to load complaining of "no monitor". The Marantz never switches on the projector like it does for the blu-ray player and cable box. It is as if it is waiting for a signal.

What to do?

(when I connect the monitor cable directly to the PC it boots up and shines on the screen normally - no issues. Only when I try to go through the processor does it fail)

Thanks



Hi, did you assign the correct HDMI in the input assign menu shown here?



post #9508 of 11320
Hmm... the dealer over here just cust 18% of the AV8801 price -> new version coming at CES 2014? :-D
post #9509 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Webmonkey View Post

Hmm... the dealer over here just cust 18% of the AV8801 price -> new version coming at CES 2014? :-D



Maybe smile.gif there's absolutely nothing online about it that I could find. When they do replace the 8801 I'm assuming it will be HDMI 2.0 and a few other things. It already has most of the other coveted features biggrin.gif
post #9510 of 11320
Highly doubt it. This Pre should be a solid flagship for a several years before a revamp, but, I could always be wrong smile.gif
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