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It's getting lossy dolby digital 5.1, not dolby digital plus 5.1. I don't think Apple TV is capable of dolby digital plus. If you have a playstation try the same thing, you'll see the dolby digital plus light up on the 8801. I've been testing this the last couple days and have found I need to use my PS4 to get the lossless audio. Not sure if the oppo can or can't, I'll try on my 103 later today. ATV does get the super hd, which I think is fancy talk for 1080p...



Ok I gotcha. I'm kind of a Netflix beginner so this is helpful. I don't think my Oppo 93 app is capable of 5.1, my Panny panel is and now I'm wondering if it will do DD+ through the HDMI ARC or the optical out. I'm thinking they will do DD but not plus.
Edited by comfynumb - 12/30/13 at 11:30am
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I searched and couldn't find an answer. Does the 8801 front analog jacks have audyssey applied to them. I was using REW software and the graph didn't change with audyssey on or off so Im guessing no.

Thanks

Audyssey can be applied to any input or excluded from any input I'm pretty sure.
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Originally Posted by mmcelyea View Post

I searched and couldn't find an answer. Does the 8801 front analog jacks have audyssey applied to them. I was using REW software and the graph didn't change with audyssey on or off so Im guessing no.

Thanks

 

Audyssey cannot work on analogue connections. It is a digital solution.

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Originally Posted by mmcelyea View Post

I searched and couldn't find an answer. Does the 8801 front analog jacks have audyssey applied to them. I was using REW software and the graph didn't change with audyssey on or off so Im guessing no.


Thanks

Audyssey cannot work on analogue connections. It is a digital solution.

Which is why the 8801 digitizes its stereo analog inputs. It doesn't digitize its mutichannel analog inputs, though, so no processing can be applied to them.
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My remote all of a sudden quit lighting up. When I first got it, it lit up orange with key presses. Any advice?
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^^
Did you press the little button on the side of the remote?
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Doh!
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

One setting I never messed with much is the video conversion. Mine is set to on, with i/p scaler>HDMI, resolution>auto and progressive mode>auto. Am I better off turning this off?

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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

I leave it off for all sources. Straight passthrough looked better on my projector.

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I'm thinking the same thing, at least with my Oppo 93 as the source. The jury is still out if Apple TV looks better with it on or off.

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I thought directv and blu ray looked better with it off. Streaming stuff I couldn't tell, granted I don't use my Apple TV that much anymore since it can't use netflix's dolby digital plus.

If you needed the volume OSD I could see using it, but I'm using roomie so it wasn't really needed.

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I think I'm going to leave it off, thanks. I've just been going through this on the ATV and Netflix threads. Isn't ATV back to working normal, meaning it is streaming Super HD and getting dolby digital plus? My Deremote app is showing 5.1 down the bottom. I know it says Oppo blu ray but I have the ATV on this input temporarily.





I have mine set to 4k, to match the resolution of the TV I just bought. Works pretty well.

Tried it on auto, etc. and let the TV do the upscaling, but I like the results from the AV8801 better and I'm not worried about the Audioquest Carbon HDMI cables having a negative effect on the picture before it gets to the TV.
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I decided to pull the trigger given the pricing and lack of an alternative of similar quality for the price. I am a bit concerned about it running hot given the comment on the 8807 and that the 8801 runs hotter than my Brystons, but I will have to keep an eye on it. I am used to the Brystons which I keep on all the time and they never run hot.

I have only had the Brystons paired up with the 8801 for about 10 days and I haven't yet done a true setup or used Audessey (haven't had the time), but that said I am very happy with the sound even as is. The 8801 replaced an Anthem AVM 30 and though I was concerned that I was giving up sound quality, the moment that I turned on the 8801 and played a CD I couldn't help but smile and be very happy. I have had the Brystons for about 10yrs and am very happy with them - first rate and just seem to disappear without coloring the sound. Between their reputation and being able to find them used at a good price with what remained of a 20yr transferable warranty made them a no brainier for me. I am actually surprised that I don't see more mention of them around here (though I may not be paying attention to the right threads). I don't know anything about the current models which are very expensive but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend buying an ST or SST from the early 00s so the warranty runs through 2020-2024.


I'm very fond of Bryston equipment. My hands on experience with the actual hardware is with 4BSST's and 4BSST2's. What other companies have the confidence in their products to post the complete schematics for their amplifiers, including part numbers, on their website? A review of these schematics shows that their designs are advanced and very clever.

Just one very, very small example of Bryston's attention to detail: (I hope this makes sense.) Bryston amplifiers have an input for turning on the unit from an external low voltage source like many amplifiers. They also have an output for the voltage source to connect to another unit. Yes some other units have that as well. In the case of other units I've seen the output is just a pass through of the input. In Bryston's case there is circuitry that generates a new voltage source for the output that is activated when the Bryston amplifier receives a signal to turn on. Based on the circuit diagrams for the amplifiers this new low voltage source is likely better designed than the signal the Bryston amplifier received. Bryston's amplifiers are designed for high performance and no problems.

If you go to the Hi-Fi News and Record Review website in the UK you can access the lab test results from Miller Audio Research at the bottom of the page. (the site will send a password to first time users) If you review the 4BSST2 (June 2009) or a 4BSST (May 2007) results you'll find that the measured performance is truly excellent. Bryston also sends individual lab test results with each new amplifier.
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I have mine set to 4k, to match the resolution of the TV I just bought. Works pretty well.

Tried it on auto, etc. and let the TV do the upscaling, but I like the results from the AV8801 better and I'm not worried about the Audioquest Carbon HDMI cables having a negative effect on the picture before it gets to the TV.



Which panel did you get?
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Which panel did you get?

Sony 65XBR850a. I'm very happy with it.
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Sony 65XBR850a. I'm very happy with it.



Very nice! I haven't heard to much about the up scaling ability with the 8801, but from what I've heard it does it well. I ended up buying a Panny 60ST60 a couple of months ago that looks really amazing. I couldn't resist the last of the plasma's made by them.
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Very nice! I haven't heard to much about the up scaling ability with the 8801, but from what I've heard it does it well. I ended up buying a Panny 60ST60 a couple of months ago that looks really amazing. I couldn't resist the last of the plasma's made by them.

I figured that the scaling power of the AV8801 should be better than the on-board scaling that Sony has (It really should be better in the Marantz!).

I was shopping for a plasma (Samsung 8500) when my wife saw the sony 4k on the wall and said something about how nice the picture was. My shopping was over at that point. wink.gif
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I figured that the scaling power of the AV8801 should be better than the on-board scaling that Sony has (It really should be better in the Marantz!).

I was shopping for a plasma (Samsung 8500) when my wife saw the sony 4k on the wall and said something about how nice the picture was. My shopping was over at that point. wink.gif



Well +1 for your wife! I'd be rushing out of the before she changed her mind biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by admranger View Post

I figured that the scaling power of the AV8801 should be better than the on-board scaling that Sony has (It really should be better in the Marantz!).

I was shopping for a plasma (Samsung 8500) when my wife saw the sony 4k on the wall and said something about how nice the picture was. My shopping was over at that point. wink.gif



Well +1 for your wife! I'd be rushing out of the before she changed her mind biggrin.gif

 

I was out with Mrs K yesterday 'showrooming' in a large out-of-town retail store - she is looking for a new laptop and we were trying their keyboards and screens ahead of buying one on the net... anyway, after she had finished we went to look at the 4K screens they had on display and I think I have discovered the perfect 'test' to convince SWMBO that a new 4K screen is "essential".  I asked her to put her nose practically on the screen and look at the pixel structure... then I asked her to do the same on a nearby 1080p display. She was astonished at the difference and went back and forth a few times to compare them over again. But this is the kicker - when she had finished she said, "I can see why people want the 4K screens... they are just so much better". Unprompted :)  I have no use for a new TV at all right now and use the PJ for movies, but if I wanted a 4K display, there wouldn't be the slightest resistance. Not that there is usually with Mrs K as she is 110% tolerant of my hobbies... but food for thought... :)

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I was out with Mrs K yesterday 'showrooming' in a large out-of-town retail store - she is looking for a new laptop and we were trying their keyboards and screens ahead of buying one on the net... anyway, after she had finished we went to look at the 4K screens they had on display and I think I have discovered the perfect 'test' to convince SWMBO that a new 4K screen is "essential".  I asked her to put her nose practically on the screen and look at the pixel structure... then I asked her to do the same on a nearby 1080p display. She was astonished at the difference and went back and forth a few times to compare them over again. But this is the kicker - when she had finished she said, "I can see why people want the 4K screens... they are just so much better". Unprompted smile.gif  I have no use for a new TV at all right now and use the PJ for movies, but if I wanted a 4K display, there wouldn't be the slightest resistance. Not that there is usually with Mrs K as she is 110% tolerant of my hobbies... but food for thought... smile.gif



That's a good thing smile.gif ok I've heard SWMNBC and lmao at the obeyed part.
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Happy New Year to the virtual world!
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^^^
Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!
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^^^
Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!
Happy New Year Everyone !!
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Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!

Dktto
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Happy New Year to the virtual world!

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Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!
Happy New Year Everyone !!

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Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!

Dktto

Same here!


Ray
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Here there a way to have Pure Audio for music for the main and have the subs on?
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Here there a way to have Pure Audio for music for the main and have the subs on?

Turn on the setting LFE+MAINS.

Unfortunately, this can cause "bloated bass" since both the main speakers and the subwoofer will be producing bass in the range where their frequency responses overlap. If you want more accurate bass management, try listening in Stereo mode instead of Direct.
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Here there a way to have Pure Audio for music for the main and have the subs on?

Turn on the setting LFE+MAINS.

Unfortunately, this can cause "bloated bass" since both the main speakers and the subwoofer will be producing bass in the range where their frequency responses overlap. If you want more accurate bass management, try listening in Stereo mode instead of Direct.

Thank You!

Nice to know there is a single button to listen to music for main only + subs for the lower end.
I got my main set to 80Hz, but did not see at the bottom the Stereo mode rolleyes.gif

I will try it tomorow as the wife is sleeping.
The Audyssey set-up is a breeze.

Just general info for other people
.
If you have 2 subs and are not the same level, Audyssey calibration will tell you to adjust them one at the time.
The beauty adout it is you do not need to get your old Rat Shack SLP meter out and run the frequencies.
Audyssey does it for you and give you a reading while you do some adjustment.

I got my 2 PB13 Ultra within a 1db.

Ray
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Happy new Years guys! Hope 2014 brings great new things!
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yes, Happy New Hair to all of AVS :-D
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Thank You!

Nice to know there is a single button to listen to music for main only + subs for the lower end.
I got my main set to 80Hz, but did not see at the bottom the Stereo mode rolleyes.gif

I will try it tomorow as the wife is sleeping.
The Audyssey set-up is a breeze.

Just general info for other people
.
If you have 2 subs and are not the same level, Audyssey calibration will tell you to adjust them one at the time.
The beauty adout it is you do not need to get your old Rat Shack SLP meter out and run the frequencies.
Audyssey does it for you and give you a reading while you do some adjustment.

I got my 2 PB13 Ultra within a 1db.

Ray

Stereo mode uses audyssey equalization while direct mode does not. In audyssey on the 8801 it is possible to exclude the mains from equalization. For many of us, we prefer the sound of well calibrated 2.1 instead of pure stereo from mains. It basically boils down to using an extremely good external dac like the Sabre DAC in an Oppo player vs. The internal dac +\- audyssey +\- subwoofer and what ultimately sounds the "best".

I am planning to try each method and try some rudimentary AB testing. Because of my speakers and music I am certain I will like 2.1 (bass management) but I am not sure if audyssey eq will improve or worsen the pure sound of a great dac.
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Stereo mode uses audyssey equalization while direct mode does not. In audyssey on the 8801 it is possible to exclude the mains from equalization. For many of us, we prefer the sound of well calibrated 2.1 instead of pure stereo from mains. It basically boils down to using an extremely good external dac like the Sabre DAC in an Oppo player vs. The internal dac +\- audyssey +\- subwoofer and what ultimately sounds the "best".

I am planning to try each method and try some rudimentary AB testing. Because of my speakers and music I am certain I will like 2.1 (bass management) but I am not sure if audyssey eq will improve or worsen the pure sound of a great dac.

If you have a programmable remote, there are codes to switch between, HDMI, COAX, Optical, 7.1 analog, and XLR on a single input.

- Rich
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Thank You!

Nice to know there is a single button to listen to music for main only + subs for the lower end.
I got my main set to 80Hz, but did not see at the bottom the Stereo mode rolleyes.gif

I will try it tomorow as the wife is sleeping.
The Audyssey set-up is a breeze.

Just general info for other people
.
If you have 2 subs and are not the same level, Audyssey calibration will tell you to adjust them one at the time.
The beauty adout it is you do not need to get your old Rat Shack SLP meter out and run the frequencies.
Audyssey does it for you and give you a reading while you do some adjustment.

I got my 2 PB13 Ultra within a 1db.

Ray

Stereo mode uses audyssey equalization while direct mode does not. In audyssey on the 8801 it is possible to exclude the mains from equalization. For many of us, we prefer the sound of well calibrated 2.1 instead of pure stereo from mains. It basically boils down to using an extremely good external dac like the Sabre DAC in an Oppo player vs. The internal dac +\- audyssey +\- subwoofer and what ultimately sounds the "best".

I am planning to try each method and try some rudimentary AB testing. Because of my speakers and music I am certain I will like 2.1 (bass management) but I am not sure if audyssey eq will improve or worsen the pure sound of a great dac.

Thanks for taking the time to explain each.
I just tried both and prefer the stereo 2.1 or should I say 2.2

After I watch a few movies, I will know if the 1.5db bass boost is too much or not.
Once I found my preference I will reconnect the projector directly to the Oppo103 and by-pass the Marantz for video.

Ray
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My first impression and a few questions.

The sound stage is a lot more wilder and the front to back seem to be as one.
Also a lot of details, you could swear that you were there in the movie Byzantium (not my type of movie but the sound was fantastic),there is a sceen playing the piano and you could swear it was the real thing, also a scene in a cave with bats flying around and you could not tell wishe speakers it was coming from.
On Elysium, I did find the bass very heavy, the front seem to strugle for a couple of scenes.

So I went back to change the setting after the movie and to my surprise, the main were back to large and the subs back to reference and not 1.5db hot like I tought I set them-up.
I think I will try to listen to reference for a while since I did found both movies to have lots of bass (and I tought, I use to be a bass head eek.gif ).

I will have to play with it as how to figure out how to set the main to 80hz.

Also, this one disturbe me quit a bit!

I went to open the front panel to make sure everything was in 7.2 and by doing so I got a big static electricity discharge on the front panel (could be because my room has carpet but never happen to any previous unit that I owned).
The sound went dead and would not return untill I turn the AV8801 off and back on.
I don't think this is normal (a short maybe) and maybe the unit lost it's memory. If it is the case, I might have to re-run Audyssey!?
The setting still show Audyssey XT32 and EQ as On.

This baffle me as why the unit went in shut-down mode for the sound but the middle display and the power light were still on.

Any idea or theories as why the sound went dead?

Ray
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