Originally Posted by glangford
Well, I'd wouldn't recommend a cheaper AVR either, but a little better one. The one Arnyk linked doesn't have room correction.
Here we see an example of an attempt to falsify by means of surreptiously changing the requirements beyond those already given. Originally, the standard of comparison was a 2 channel integrated amplifier. Now, a surreptious attempt has been made to raise the standard of comparison.
BTW the post above is a false claim - the AVR I recommended does have room correction
. It has manual
room correction in the form of manually set equalization and delays. These are features that are typically missing from the original standard - the classic 2 channel integrated amplifier.
The page has a link to a newer model that does.
Right, and the newer model is still significantly less costly than the most comparable 2 channel integrated amplifier from the same manufacturer. Of course pointing out that my original claim about the economies of scale that are common with AVRs is another opportunity to be gracious that was avoided by my critic.
Having the room correction makes set up of that 'complicated' device very simple. Plug in the mic start room correction, and the AVR will sense what speakers are there, cut off unused ones,,and you are pretty much done.
Thanks for that!
My only complaint with AVRs is they seem to have a much shorter lifetime than conventional stereo recievers (sic) or integrateds.
So now we have a claim that would require statistical analysis to be credible, but lacking statistical support.
Its not uncommon to hear of recievers (sic) and integrateds lasting many many years, until somewhere down the road caps give out.
It is also not uncommon to hear of AVRs that last many years as well. A couple of years ago some friends of mine and I cleaned out a storeroom in a Manhattan office building that was being vacated by one of the largest consumer electronics magazines in the world. it was piled deep in vintage equipment that had been probably been lost track of, including 1 high end power amplifier that we eventually sold for thousands and thousands of dollars, a classic high end CRT-based video projector, and 3 pieces of high end AV test equipment. All still worth similar money on the used equipment market. We also pulled several AVRs out of the store room, some that were over a decade old. They all met original spec when tested on the bench. Their biggest practical problem was the lack of HDMI support which was perfectly understandable given their age. They are back in service.
With the ever increasing amount of technology and digital wizardry in an AVR failures such as hdmi board, newtwork card, and other digital failures makes them somewhat more risky for years of enjoyment than the conventional analog integrated.
Nice sounding story which while it may be intuitively attractive, fails to pass technical analysis. The fact is that increasing the amount of technology and function doesn't decrease the reliability of electronic gear. Rather, the reliability of electronic gear goes down when the number of IC packages, board sizes, power use and internal interconnections increases. A good example of this is PCs where we see that a modern PC where the exact kinds of added functions mentioned above are packaged into about the same number of increasingly complex chips resulting in gear that is more functional, but with equal or better reliability that is more frequently replaced due to functional obsolescence than anything else. In fact modern AVRs are emptier boxes than ever as a peek inside will reveal.
The above shows the actual implementation of the advanced features in a modern AVR - its just a few chips on a circuit board.
Below, the circuitry from a classic 2 channel receiver:
Notice the large number of soldered connections, with many individual small parts soldered in. Not shown are the many interconnecting cables that are shows in the modern example, above.